| Is it right, right? 15:10 - Aug 11 with 9170 views | BrixtonBlue |
I voted for Chuka Umunna in the last General Election as a Labour candidate. Firstly, he left to be part of Change UK, now he's left that to join the Liberal Democrats, a party he described as "enabling Tory austerity" not so long ago.
I've also had a letter from him (calling me "Dear Friend") slating Corbyn and asking me to join him in the Lib Dems. The bloody cheek of it!
Jumping from party to party like Goldilocks is bad enough, but what irks me more is that Streatham (and parts of Balham, Brixton, Clapham and Tulse Hill) are now Liberal Democrat when they were previously staunch Labour.
Labour won in these areas fair and square, and I voted for them, but we are now Lib Dem just because Chuka decided to jump ship a couple of times. How is this right? I don't want a Lim Dem MOP, didn't vote for them, and they didn't win here. Yet now we have them.
Am I missing something? How is this allowed? |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:29 - Aug 11 with 2505 views | BloomBlue |
In this Country you vote for the person who will represent your constituency in the House of Commons, so yes it is right. |  | | |
| Is it right, right? on 18:33 - Aug 11 with 2500 views | m14_blue |
| Is it right, right? on 18:18 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
It's gone more quickly. But that's far more to do with Brexit that has certainly brought some of the nutters more quickly into the limelight.
Before that we've had an austerity government propped up by the Lib Dems and a Labour Party that was even less effective in opposition and less attractive democratically. That's the problem with a soft centre - they're enablers more than an opposition or an alternative.
But if you think it's about getting into power and being pragmatic then we're coming at it from entirely different perspectives. For me, that pragmatism and politicking is a Catch 22 because then you attract the politicians, supporters and manifestos that will actively stop you making necessary and progressive changes. Many in the Labour Party have singularly failed to address this lack of belief and commitment to social democratic let alone socialist ideals and it's seen them destroyed in Scotland, marginalised in the North of England and sidelined by the "Corbynistas" who are engaged by a desire for a real political alternative.
So very happy to see Change and the Independents crash and burn. There wasn't anything there that was worth saving and certainly a lot less than the existing Lib Dems and SNP whose position they tried to usurp. |
I do think pragmatism has to play a part of you/we want to see social change.
There simply isn’t the support for a purely left wing party to win a general election in this country. Therefore, they are left with the choice of effectively being a protest party, shouting at the sidelines whilst the people they profess to serve suffer under the Tories, or compromise and actually help those people.
I’m not saying what has gone before was the answer but it’s not a binary choice between Corbyn or Blair, there is a vast swathe of decent left wing people between the two. By refusing to even try and appeal to those people, the current labour regime are giving this grotesque Tory party a free reign.
Your politics are further left than mine but I suspect we agree on most things, I just don’t see how an uncompromising far left (realise that’s a relative term) party can ever effect any change to help solve the desperate problems in our country. That may be sad but it’s true at the moment. |  | | |
| Is it right, right? on 18:39 - Aug 11 with 2488 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it right, right? on 18:29 - Aug 11 by BloomBlue |
In this Country you vote for the person who will represent your constituency in the House of Commons, so yes it is right. |
Agreed. But that's a pretty sh!tty way of also voting for the party you want to represent you or the government you want in power.
It's a massively antiquated system that depending on your MP and their party may mean you effectively get zero local or national representation. Not to mention the votes that don't count at all if they voted for a losing candidate.
We need a revolution of common sense and common justice. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 18:43 - Aug 11 with 2475 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it right, right? on 18:33 - Aug 11 by m14_blue |
I do think pragmatism has to play a part of you/we want to see social change.
There simply isn’t the support for a purely left wing party to win a general election in this country. Therefore, they are left with the choice of effectively being a protest party, shouting at the sidelines whilst the people they profess to serve suffer under the Tories, or compromise and actually help those people.
I’m not saying what has gone before was the answer but it’s not a binary choice between Corbyn or Blair, there is a vast swathe of decent left wing people between the two. By refusing to even try and appeal to those people, the current labour regime are giving this grotesque Tory party a free reign.
Your politics are further left than mine but I suspect we agree on most things, I just don’t see how an uncompromising far left (realise that’s a relative term) party can ever effect any change to help solve the desperate problems in our country. That may be sad but it’s true at the moment. |
You say "purely left wing" or "far left" but Corbyn's manifesto wasn't that.
We're so used to politicians not fighting for these types of policies that they've become characterized as extreme. These are mainstream policies in the rest of Europe.
That's the whole problem with chasing votes. You end up sliding to the right and giving individuals what they want rather than defending the value of a stronger, more caring society. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 19:02 - Aug 11 with 2454 views | m14_blue |
| Is it right, right? on 18:43 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
You say "purely left wing" or "far left" but Corbyn's manifesto wasn't that.
We're so used to politicians not fighting for these types of policies that they've become characterized as extreme. These are mainstream policies in the rest of Europe.
That's the whole problem with chasing votes. You end up sliding to the right and giving individuals what they want rather than defending the value of a stronger, more caring society. |
By ‘purely left wing’ I meant a party eschewing the centrist part of the traditional labour support.
What you define as far left isn’t really relevant, Corbyn’s labour won’t win an election and the end result will be a strengthening of Boris and the continuing emboldening of the right. Besides which, if we had a proper parliamentary system, like those European countries, Corbyn and co would never get anywhere near a majority and would have to work in coalition with centrist parties, being a ‘broad church’ is the FPTP equivalent, not something to be ashamed of.
Now isn’t the time to be idealist.
I respect your position but I don’t agree with it, and I don’t think it will ultimately help the people who most need help. | | | |
| Is it right, right? on 19:27 - Aug 11 with 2427 views | Darth_Koont |
| Is it right, right? on 19:02 - Aug 11 by m14_blue |
By ‘purely left wing’ I meant a party eschewing the centrist part of the traditional labour support.
What you define as far left isn’t really relevant, Corbyn’s labour won’t win an election and the end result will be a strengthening of Boris and the continuing emboldening of the right. Besides which, if we had a proper parliamentary system, like those European countries, Corbyn and co would never get anywhere near a majority and would have to work in coalition with centrist parties, being a ‘broad church’ is the FPTP equivalent, not something to be ashamed of.
Now isn’t the time to be idealist.
I respect your position but I don’t agree with it, and I don’t think it will ultimately help the people who most need help. |
Neither will a Labour Party that appeases centrists and makes itself acceptable to our right-leaning media.
It's all a bit crap but perhaps better to be promoting real alternatives for the long term good, and at least trying to make sure that message gets into the debate. Rather than perpetuating the same old party political, vote chasing stuff expecting a different result. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 20:23 - Aug 11 with 2388 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is it right, right? on 18:39 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
Agreed. But that's a pretty sh!tty way of also voting for the party you want to represent you or the government you want in power.
It's a massively antiquated system that depending on your MP and their party may mean you effectively get zero local or national representation. Not to mention the votes that don't count at all if they voted for a losing candidate.
We need a revolution of common sense and common justice. |
"We need a revolution of common sense and common justice".
That's exactly what we need. Tough non-policised policing and judicary, crack down hard on the criminals in our midst and promote family values and hard work. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 20:26 - Aug 11 with 2375 views | lowhouseblue |
mp not mop. |  |
| And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show |
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| Is it right, right? on 20:43 - Aug 11 with 2361 views | Mugwump |
| Is it right, right? on 18:29 - Aug 11 by BloomBlue |
In this Country you vote for the person who will represent your constituency in the House of Commons, so yes it is right. |
That is correct but that person is representing a party with a manifesto.
Because of this I think it’s wrong and a defection should result in a by election IMHO. | | | |
| Is it right, right? on 20:55 - Aug 11 with 2348 views | jeera |
Have you not seen the alternative 'movie'?
Goldilocks Gets About.
Lass in a blonde wig, 3 blokes in bear costumes... |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 21:10 - Aug 11 with 2327 views | Funge |
| Is it right, right? on 20:55 - Aug 11 by jeera |
Have you not seen the alternative 'movie'?
Goldilocks Gets About.
Lass in a blonde wig, 3 blokes in bear costumes... |
TBH, Jeers, I'm trying to finish Pornhub, but they keep on bringing out new episodes.
This must be one of them. |  | | |
| Is it right, right? on 21:11 - Aug 11 with 2326 views | Kievthegreat |
| Is it right, right? on 17:38 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
There'll be a general election on Nov 1st. |
An election on a Friday? Surely not! |  | | |
| Is it right, right? on 21:17 - Aug 11 with 2316 views | BlueBoots |
| Is it right, right? on 16:54 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
Boris is suitable for the current predicament and will win a general election, god willing.
The evening we leave the EU I intend to get drunk and dance the night away. What will you be doing? |
If you're banking on the UK leaving the EU on 31st October, as you said, "God willing" - you'd better start praying that Boris wins the general election that will be called before then...because he stands no chance of getting either a backstop-less or no-deal Brexit through parliament...
...so not making any plans for an evening that might never happen. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 21:24 - Aug 11 with 2304 views | jeera |
| Is it right, right? on 21:10 - Aug 11 by Funge |
TBH, Jeers, I'm trying to finish Pornhub, but they keep on bringing out new episodes.
This must be one of them. |
Americans.
They just don't know when to call a series a day. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 00:56 - Aug 12 with 2226 views | The_Last_Baron |
| Is it right, right? on 21:17 - Aug 11 by BlueBoots |
If you're banking on the UK leaving the EU on 31st October, as you said, "God willing" - you'd better start praying that Boris wins the general election that will be called before then...because he stands no chance of getting either a backstop-less or no-deal Brexit through parliament...
...so not making any plans for an evening that might never happen. |
The election will be on the 7th of November. :) Perfect. | |
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| Is it right, right? on 07:16 - Sep 9 with 1942 views | WeWereZombies |
| Is it right, right? on 16:31 - Aug 11 by Darth_Koont |
Because most of them were careerists beforehand - that's why the Labour lot were mostly on the verge of being deselected by the CLPs they were meant to represent.
They're getting their democratic desserts now which is good. |
Err, Darth, aren't our Members of Parliament supposed to represent their constituents? |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 07:32 - Sep 9 with 1913 views | artsbossbeard |
| Is it right, right? on 15:55 - Aug 11 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
If you didn’t want a snivelling opportunistic chancer as your MP, then you probably shouldn’t have voted for Chuka Umunna |
See, this is an interesting point.
As a paid up member of The Labour Party, I'm duty bound to put a X against the labour candidate whether I like him/her or not. My vote is for the party even though the individual is named on the form.
I'm more interested in how Labour deals with Brexit, The NHS and it's plans to overthrow the opposition rather than an additional street light outside The Crown & Anchor on the high street. |  |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| Is it right, right? on 07:33 - Sep 9 with 1909 views | azuremerlangus |
| Is it right, right? on 16:54 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
Boris is suitable for the current predicament and will win a general election, god willing.
The evening we leave the EU I intend to get drunk and dance the night away. What will you be doing? |
Make sure you stock up with alcohol, nibbles and hangover cures in case there are shortages. |  |
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| Is it right, right? on 07:35 - Sep 9 with 1904 views | artsbossbeard |
| Is it right, right? on 20:23 - Aug 11 by The_Last_Baron |
"We need a revolution of common sense and common justice".
That's exactly what we need. Tough non-policised policing and judicary, crack down hard on the criminals in our midst and promote family values and hard work. |
"promote family values and hard work"
How very socialist of you. | |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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