| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... 19:24 - Aug 25 with 5307 views | Tractorgirlforever |
My friend suggested to me yesterday as we were watching the bolton match that they should introduce some sort of a wages cap on the top earners in football where for example they can be paid 100k a week if thats what clubs want to pay for yhem but they shouldnt actually be able to earn more than say 80k a week and anything over goes into a fund to help struggling clubs , weve seen notts county and bolton this season, and also theres bury , all huge clubs with great history, nobody wants to see these clubs struggle, and after all it could just as easily be us in 6 or 7 years time, theres no guarantees. At least this fund would pay the wages of the players for a while. It just seems unfair when some teams could pay their players for a month on just 1 premier league players weekly wage . |  | | |  |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:30 - Aug 25 with 4953 views | J2BLUE |
So clubs could gamble everything and then get bailed out by player wages?
It's not a good idea. |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:30 - Aug 25 with 4953 views | Metal_Hacker |
Notts County simply got relegated unfortunately I hasten to add and as for the likes of Bolton and Bury ....I’m afraid it’s the food chain as it stands at the moment. Not nice for any club or business and simply that’s what it is , a business
Cut your cloth accordingly but don’t expect hand outs from those more wealthy
I do appreciate for the most ME |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:41 - Aug 25 with 4889 views | Guthrum |
Better would be a hefty percentage levy on broadcast rights deals, with that money being fairly and eqitably distributed among clubs down to the lowest levels. Thus the Prem would not be able to keep most of it just for themselves, with a few crumbs handed out the EFL ("solidarity payments") and bonus packages for ex-members who have got themselves relegated (parachute payments). Would also ensure money did actually get right down to the much-trumpeted "grass roots" of the game. |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:50 - Aug 25 with 4842 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
Bad idea.
Wreckless owners end up getting bailed out, rather than the clubs.
EFL need to regulate ownership better. |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:51 - Aug 25 with 4836 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:41 - Aug 25 by Guthrum |
Better would be a hefty percentage levy on broadcast rights deals, with that money being fairly and eqitably distributed among clubs down to the lowest levels. Thus the Prem would not be able to keep most of it just for themselves, with a few crumbs handed out the EFL ("solidarity payments") and bonus packages for ex-members who have got themselves relegated (parachute payments). Would also ensure money did actually get right down to the much-trumpeted "grass roots" of the game. |
Parachute payments should be ended!! | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 21:11 - Aug 25 with 4575 views | Illinoisblue |
Tell your friend their idea is nonsense |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 07:10 - Aug 26 with 4182 views | lambo77 |
your friend hasn't thought that one through . |  | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 07:22 - Aug 26 with 4160 views | gordon |
Problem with salary cap ideas is it has to effectively be global - if there was one country eligible for the champions league that didn't have the same cap, all the best players and richest owners would end up there. If everyone in Europe agreed (which they wouldnt) the best players would end up in China. |  | | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 08:37 - Aug 26 with 4015 views | BloomBlue |
I don't see why anyone in a job should have an enforced salary cap, good luck to the players if the employer can afford to pay it.
FFP is actually a good idea, but not enforced correctly. Clubs should only be allowed to spend the income they generate and that shouldn't include some dodgy shirt advertising deal with the owner. But football has become a 'play thing' for some very rich people, similar to newspapers 30, 40 years ago. But neither UEFA or FIFA have the power or will to do anything about it. |  | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 08:48 - Aug 26 with 3995 views | BlueySwede |
The big problem is how unfair the money (from broadcasting rights etc) is spread throughout the divisions. Of course Premier League teams should be paid more, but it´s gotten silly.
FFP is generally a good idea, but clubs have gotten away with not following the rules for too long.
Something needs to be done. Or would people be happy to watch a closed football league with 10 top teams? I don´t think so. English footboll is so much more than big bucks, Manchester City and Liverpool. | | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 09:25 - Aug 26 with 3908 views | Tractorgirlforever |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 07:10 - Aug 26 by lambo77 |
your friend hasn't thought that one through . |
I cant imagine she thought long and hard about it!.. she was quite upset at the notts county friendly pre season when the man was going around with the leaflet with the teams on, there was no programme, and charging 50p saying the money was raised from selling them was going towards paying players!.. she still tells that story wherever she goes, it obviously touched her heart strings! | | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 09:25 - Aug 26 with 3906 views | glasso |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 19:30 - Aug 25 by Metal_Hacker |
Notts County simply got relegated unfortunately I hasten to add and as for the likes of Bolton and Bury ....I’m afraid it’s the food chain as it stands at the moment. Not nice for any club or business and simply that’s what it is , a business
Cut your cloth accordingly but don’t expect hand outs from those more wealthy
I do appreciate for the most ME |
This really isn't 'business' though, is it? How many other industries could you name where something like 90% of them don't even make enough money to cover the staff's wages, and the only way to MAYBE get to the point where you could afford their wages, is to spend far, far more than you earn and gamble the entire business on the idea that you could become one of the top ten percent in your industry?
and this argument that 'players are worth what someone's prepared to pay them' is nonsense, too.
In any other business, if you're on £100,000, you need to be able to show that you're worth considerably more than £100,000 to the company.
If you're being paid £100,000 and the company earns £20,000, that's not a business. | | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 09:54 - Aug 26 with 3847 views | Metal_Hacker |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 09:25 - Aug 26 by glasso |
This really isn't 'business' though, is it? How many other industries could you name where something like 90% of them don't even make enough money to cover the staff's wages, and the only way to MAYBE get to the point where you could afford their wages, is to spend far, far more than you earn and gamble the entire business on the idea that you could become one of the top ten percent in your industry?
and this argument that 'players are worth what someone's prepared to pay them' is nonsense, too.
In any other business, if you're on £100,000, you need to be able to show that you're worth considerably more than £100,000 to the company.
If you're being paid £100,000 and the company earns £20,000, that's not a business. |
It’s a viable business if your cloth is cut accordingly
I don’t understand how you say football isn’t a business | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:07 - Aug 26 with 3813 views | Pippin1970 |
Unfortunately more clubs will go out of business as we know. Cant remember somewhere by 2030 they reckon only 60 teams will be full time professional the rest part time basis. | | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:16 - Aug 26 with 3793 views | ThatMuhrenCross |
I heard a better suggestion on TalkSport.
If a club gets in this situation, the EFL reserves the right to take it away from the owner. That way you’re not getting bad owners holding out just to get the best deal for themselves. If they run a club badly, they lose it pure and simple.
The EFL then settles the debts in the form of a loan and sets up a manageable repayment plan for the club, and auctions the club out to the highest bidder, but not before a thorough, thorough test of their suitability to own a club.
Owners like Ken Anderson and Steve Dale would be the only ones who lose out. |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:32 - Aug 26 with 3781 views | Guthrum |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:16 - Aug 26 by ThatMuhrenCross |
I heard a better suggestion on TalkSport.
If a club gets in this situation, the EFL reserves the right to take it away from the owner. That way you’re not getting bad owners holding out just to get the best deal for themselves. If they run a club badly, they lose it pure and simple.
The EFL then settles the debts in the form of a loan and sets up a manageable repayment plan for the club, and auctions the club out to the highest bidder, but not before a thorough, thorough test of their suitability to own a club.
Owners like Ken Anderson and Steve Dale would be the only ones who lose out. |
The EFL cannot do that. They only run the competition, the limit of their punitive action is expulsion from the League. Ownership of football clubs is an entirely private matter.
It would take parliamentary legislation and the setting up of some sort of strong regulatory body (it could be called something like "The Football Association") to be able to do what you're suggesting. They could develop some sort of test to see whether owners were fit and proper persons to hold such a position.
However, as we have seen with Bury, the threat of expulsion - which would pretty much sound the death knell of most clubs - is not ineffective in forcing an owner to sell up against his will. | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:48 - Aug 26 with 3733 views | pointofblue |
I think the best way would be to split the prize money more evenly so, say, there’s only £1,000 between each position (including the jump between leagues) rather than the millions at the moment. | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 11:19 - Aug 26 with 3685 views | longtimefan |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:48 - Aug 26 by pointofblue |
I think the best way would be to split the prize money more evenly so, say, there’s only £1,000 between each position (including the jump between leagues) rather than the millions at the moment. |
There is no position based prize money other than in the PL. | | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 11:32 - Aug 26 with 3656 views | pointofblue |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 11:19 - Aug 26 by longtimefan |
There is no position based prize money other than in the PL. |
Then perhaps change it so there is, which would increase the amount going down the divisions if there is a nominal amount between each position, or lower the prize money in the Premier League and increase the amount paid to EFL clubs. | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 11:34 - Aug 26 with 3653 views | Superfrans |
A wage cap is very difficult to implement country by country - it would require international support, which is unlikely would be there. But ideas are what we need, because “this doesn’t work” is no use to be honest,
There is already a natural flow of excess cash available which could be easily harnessed - the unawarded parachute payments. It’s fairly simple - every season three clubs are relegated from the Prem and are promised parachute payments for three years (two years if they’ve been relegated at the first time of asking. For instance, Huddersfield were relegated last season and were promised £43m in year 1, £35m in year 2, £15m in year 3. Roughly.
But, if Huddersfield are promoted this season, the £35m and £15m aren’t paid out. As you can imagine, this has happened fairly often over the past 5 years alone. There’s your crisis fund right there.
Imho, if Bolton goes into admin next week, there should be a structure in place for the FA to requisition the club and it’s EFL membership on behalf of the community / fans so they can keep their league position, complete their fixtures, take whatever punishment (in pts deductions etc) come their way and ensure some form of ongoing future.
We protect 50 year old buildings which are of cultural value, we don’t allow developers to demolish properties willy nilly, why should we allow football clubs with equal (perhaps greater) cultural value to be treated differently? |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton... on 11:36 - Aug 26 with 3647 views | Superfrans |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 10:32 - Aug 26 by Guthrum |
The EFL cannot do that. They only run the competition, the limit of their punitive action is expulsion from the League. Ownership of football clubs is an entirely private matter.
It would take parliamentary legislation and the setting up of some sort of strong regulatory body (it could be called something like "The Football Association") to be able to do what you're suggesting. They could develop some sort of test to see whether owners were fit and proper persons to hold such a position.
However, as we have seen with Bury, the threat of expulsion - which would pretty much sound the death knell of most clubs - is not ineffective in forcing an owner to sell up against his will. |
Agreed. And there has long been calls for legislation of this type and a regulator like this. Let’s create them. | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 11:40 - Aug 26 with 3635 views | Superfrans |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 09:25 - Aug 26 by Tractorgirlforever |
I cant imagine she thought long and hard about it!.. she was quite upset at the notts county friendly pre season when the man was going around with the leaflet with the teams on, there was no programme, and charging 50p saying the money was raised from selling them was going towards paying players!.. she still tells that story wherever she goes, it obviously touched her heart strings! |
But she thought about it. As she should - as we all should as football fans.
I do love (as in *dont*) all the bright minds on here whose only response is “well that won’t work” etc, without proposing any other idea. It’s easy to shoot people down who have tried to come up with a plan or solution, when you’ve got nothing alternative to offer. | |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 11:55 - Aug 26 with 3615 views | ActionMan |
A better idea is just to refuse to watch the Premier League and the European competitions. Its greed that's brought us to this point, owners get away with it, the fans are punished. Let's be clear, this is the footballing authority that allowed a millionaire to buy Wimbledons team and take it out of the community to where he wanted, they couldn't give a toss about Bolton or Bury because they're not global, corporate franchises that they can line their pockets with. |  | | |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 12:11 - Aug 26 with 3591 views | backinbeige |
| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 07:22 - Aug 26 by gordon |
Problem with salary cap ideas is it has to effectively be global - if there was one country eligible for the champions league that didn't have the same cap, all the best players and richest owners would end up there. If everyone in Europe agreed (which they wouldnt) the best players would end up in China. |
You see a similar situation in rugby too, where English clubs are only allowed to pay £X on wages and so a lot of players go to France. The rugby governing body then said you have to play in England to be picked for the national team so there are three year contracts being given in France and everyone coming home the year before a World Cup. I heard that Australia have something similar, but in order to include a certain player in their World Cup squad they recently introduced an exemption for players with over 60 caps. The chap they wanted has 61 caps.
If you introduce an arbitrary number as a financial limit which isn’t tied to any other metric then it can be changed. If you pick, for example, £100k per week limit on wages, then you’ll find some will argue this should be increased in a few years given inflation / the need to compete with other leagues paying more / a one off situation to bend the rules for / various different reasons.
Not saying this is foolproof, but if you introduce a number that is tied to another number that reflects a index / market / reality or is simply a numerical reflection of where we are, it’s harder to argue against if it. You could say that player wages must only be 75% of the football clubs outgoings. The wages are then linked to the club’s revenue. It’s up to the club to increase its revenue if it wants to spend more.
You could link the number to a different number, perhaps something that reflects the overall market. Total spend on player wages mustn’t be 2.4% more than last year (or whatever inflation is these days). Then it’s up to clubs to shift people off the wage bill before getting more people in.
This is essentially what financial fair play is attempting to do. It’s not working completely - it hasn’t saved Bolton or Bury, only new owners will do that - but the logic is good. The execution of the idea not the logic is to be flawed.
Plus everyone needs to buy into it because if the French league decide to ignore it and spunk loads of money on 2019’s Winston Bogarde then the market will become distorted again. |  |
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| Highly paid players and the likes of bolton.... on 12:20 - Aug 26 with 3562 views | Keaneish |
I'd also argue that £80k - £100k a week is still a ridiculous sum for anyone, let alone a footballer. With clubs on the brink and Alexis Sanchez able to buy Bolton's debt on half a season's salary, it's time this farce stopped but how? |  |
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