| As of today................ 14:07 - Aug 28 with 2450 views | BlueNomad |
maybe there should be no more threads complaining about Evans' ownership of the club. He rescued us in 2009 when we faced going to the wall, spent a lot in the early days and still keeps us afloat with signs that we are beginning an upward turn. Of course he has got things wrong, made poor decisions etc but we are not threatened with the demise experienced by Bury or faced by Bolton. What we have experienced under Evans is nothing remotely like that. Criticism about specific issues is fair, as he has acknowledged, but full on slaughter of the man's ownership seems churlish in comparison. |  | | |  |
| As of today................ on 14:11 - Aug 28 with 2186 views | skyblue23 |
Just because one or two clubs are being kick out the EFL doesn't mean as an Ipswich fan we can't hope for more. I'm happy with Evans keeping us sustainable but as a fan I'm never going to not hope for more.
We've gone from Championship playoffs/promotion push to League 1. |  |
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| As of today................ on 14:11 - Aug 28 with 2184 views | WarkTheWarkITFC |
Marcus Evans is an average looking woman.
An average looking woman, spending within her modest means, which means no makeup. An average looking woman, with no makeup, heading into a nightclub to find a man, whilst every other average looking women there pulls because they are caked in make up that they couldn't afford on their modest means, that they put on their credit card and that they cannot afford to ever pay back.
But it's okay. Because some of them just pulled a bloke rich enough to pay it back. The others however will end up slumped up against a food bank in a sleeping bag.
Evans is a sensible, prudent owner that I am thankful for, but one who has made plenty of mistakes worthy of criticism. Not risking our future for a slim chance of hitting the jackpot is not one of them. |  |
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| As of today................ on 14:14 - Aug 28 with 2172 views | J2BLUE |
I think i'll continue to form a balanced opinion based on his time here rather than a knee-jerk reaction based on the last 24 hours |  |
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| As of today................ on 14:16 - Aug 28 with 2166 views | SouperJim |
To look at it another way, given that ITFC currently sit 12th in the English football clubs debt table and the lions share of that has been added under Evans, yet we still find ourselves in the third tier, his ownership has been a bit of a shocker. Given league positions, only Sunderland are worse off.
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| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 with 2142 views | SouperJim |
| As of today................ on 14:11 - Aug 28 by WarkTheWarkITFC |
Marcus Evans is an average looking woman.
An average looking woman, spending within her modest means, which means no makeup. An average looking woman, with no makeup, heading into a nightclub to find a man, whilst every other average looking women there pulls because they are caked in make up that they couldn't afford on their modest means, that they put on their credit card and that they cannot afford to ever pay back.
But it's okay. Because some of them just pulled a bloke rich enough to pay it back. The others however will end up slumped up against a food bank in a sleeping bag.
Evans is a sensible, prudent owner that I am thankful for, but one who has made plenty of mistakes worthy of criticism. Not risking our future for a slim chance of hitting the jackpot is not one of them. |
Trouble is, he has risked our future, we're nearly £100M in the hole. The "sensible, prudent" thing has come off the back of allowing Roy Keane to run up debts which may take decades to recover from. | |
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| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 with 2140 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Surely you want a bit more for 'your' club than being a spiv's afterthought? It took him nearly a decade to come up with a back of a fag packet 5 year plan that he subsequently totally ignored. His reason for taking the club on were brazenly short term financial gain - he has run it in a s the antithesis of what it used to be - and only latterly has he put in place a structure that seems remotely in tune with the needs of a small Town football club. It seems to have taken relegation for that to happen - which coincidentally coincides with Town having a huge financial advantage over most teams in this division giving some focus to making a concerted effort to get promoted back to square one. Personally I see nothing in being an offshore tax avoider's plaything a badge of honour. | |
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| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 with 2139 views | Darth_Koont |
Criticism is fair because despite the underlying funding and support over the long term, there's no doubt he's made some poor decisions in the short to mid term.
As everyone does. And important to balance that with the fact that there have been some good decisions too re: Mick, the Academy support and probably Lambert even as it stands.
With what's happening to Bury and Bolton (plus the riskiness of the Derby-type overspending models), I think a lot of people can stop demanding that he dips even further into his pockets as some prerequisite for any owner. He's already done that to the tune of 80+ million ... thinking that's not enough and the debt should be increased by 10 million a year as some sort of minimum is a ridiculous demand. It's only because the debt is owed to himself that even the current level is "sustainable". Because actually, in the real world of Bury and Bolton, it isn't sustainable at all. |  |
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| As of today................ on 14:20 - Aug 28 with 2136 views | Steve_M |
If the only benchmark for an owner is Day, Dale and Anderson then there isn't much hope for the game. This idea that because we still have a club Evans is immune from criticism is both naive and ridiculous.
I will continue to criticise Evans where it is due, indeed one of the lessons that does come out of the demise of Bury and the difficulties at so many clubs is that many fans desperately drown out any criticism as long as results are ok, making it seem illegitimate to criticise an owner.
That criticism, of course, needs to be proportionate and anyone not taking into account how the wider finances of football have changed since Evans bought ITFC in 2007 is being equally shortsighted. However to start with:
1. Evans has never put in place a football structure meaning that there has been a lack of cohesion within the club and big disjoints between managers. The net result of that is millions wasted on poor players and one relegation;
2. Evans' communication with fans has been poor throughout his ownership, that one set piece 'interview' 18 months ago was enough to placate many fans shows he should have done more. No one has any need for an owner on Twitter every time he has a thought but Evans has got that balance wrong, leaving it to senior staff to take all the criticism for his own decisions.
3. Other than first team wages costs have been cut relentlessly, that manifests itself in a tired ground (has it actually been painted yet?), inadequate staffing and baffling decisions such as breaking the link to the Community Trust (which at least has now been reversed). Whilst much of Portman Road has been empty the idea of giving cheap tickets to local kids to get them involved has seemed too difficult. [Post edited 28 Aug 2019 17:02]
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| As of today................ on 14:21 - Aug 28 with 2117 views | Illinoisblue |
| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 by ElephantintheRoom |
Surely you want a bit more for 'your' club than being a spiv's afterthought? It took him nearly a decade to come up with a back of a fag packet 5 year plan that he subsequently totally ignored. His reason for taking the club on were brazenly short term financial gain - he has run it in a s the antithesis of what it used to be - and only latterly has he put in place a structure that seems remotely in tune with the needs of a small Town football club. It seems to have taken relegation for that to happen - which coincidentally coincides with Town having a huge financial advantage over most teams in this division giving some focus to making a concerted effort to get promoted back to square one. Personally I see nothing in being an offshore tax avoider's plaything a badge of honour. |
that defeat at Crawley seems to have upset you |  |
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| As of today................ on 14:22 - Aug 28 with 2109 views | blueislander |
| As of today................ on 14:16 - Aug 28 by SouperJim |
To look at it another way, given that ITFC currently sit 12th in the English football clubs debt table and the lions share of that has been added under Evans, yet we still find ourselves in the third tier, his ownership has been a bit of a shocker. Given league positions, only Sunderland are worse off.
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For God’s sake! How many more times does it have to be said. ITFC’s debt is owed virtually exclusively to the owner. Can you not see this makes our situation completely different to those clubs whose debt is external.? | | | |
| As of today................ on 14:23 - Aug 28 with 2097 views | Darth_Koont |
| As of today................ on 14:22 - Aug 28 by blueislander |
For God’s sake! How many more times does it have to be said. ITFC’s debt is owed virtually exclusively to the owner. Can you not see this makes our situation completely different to those clubs whose debt is external.? |
Yes, but it doesn't make it sustainable. It just removes angry creditors from the equation. | |
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| As of today................ on 14:26 - Aug 28 with 2083 views | SouperJim |
| As of today................ on 14:22 - Aug 28 by blueislander |
For God’s sake! How many more times does it have to be said. ITFC’s debt is owed virtually exclusively to the owner. Can you not see this makes our situation completely different to those clubs whose debt is external.? |
Of course, so long as he is the owner. What happens when he gets tired of putting money into ITFC and wants someone else to feed their cash into the woodchipper?
Do we trust he'll never want a return on his investment? | |
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| As of today................ on 14:29 - Aug 28 with 2064 views | blueislander |
| As of today................ on 14:23 - Aug 28 by Darth_Koont |
Yes, but it doesn't make it sustainable. It just removes angry creditors from the equation. |
It is sustainable to the extent that only Evans can force the club into liquidation, which would be a massive own goal. | | | |
| That was a not unreasonable post from Nerders on 14:32 - Aug 28 with 2051 views | Dyland |
| As of today................ on 14:21 - Aug 28 by Illinoisblue |
that defeat at Crawley seems to have upset you |
An exception that proves the rule though. |  |
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| As of today................ on 14:36 - Aug 28 with 2039 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 by ElephantintheRoom |
Surely you want a bit more for 'your' club than being a spiv's afterthought? It took him nearly a decade to come up with a back of a fag packet 5 year plan that he subsequently totally ignored. His reason for taking the club on were brazenly short term financial gain - he has run it in a s the antithesis of what it used to be - and only latterly has he put in place a structure that seems remotely in tune with the needs of a small Town football club. It seems to have taken relegation for that to happen - which coincidentally coincides with Town having a huge financial advantage over most teams in this division giving some focus to making a concerted effort to get promoted back to square one. Personally I see nothing in being an offshore tax avoider's plaything a badge of honour. |
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| As of today................ on 14:37 - Aug 28 with 2027 views | SpruceMoose |
| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 by ElephantintheRoom |
Surely you want a bit more for 'your' club than being a spiv's afterthought? It took him nearly a decade to come up with a back of a fag packet 5 year plan that he subsequently totally ignored. His reason for taking the club on were brazenly short term financial gain - he has run it in a s the antithesis of what it used to be - and only latterly has he put in place a structure that seems remotely in tune with the needs of a small Town football club. It seems to have taken relegation for that to happen - which coincidentally coincides with Town having a huge financial advantage over most teams in this division giving some focus to making a concerted effort to get promoted back to square one. Personally I see nothing in being an offshore tax avoider's plaything a badge of honour. |
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| As of today................ on 14:41 - Aug 28 with 2004 views | PrideOfTheEast |
| As of today................ on 14:20 - Aug 28 by Steve_M |
If the only benchmark for an owner is Day, Dale and Anderson then there isn't much hope for the game. This idea that because we still have a club Evans is immune from criticism is both naive and ridiculous.
I will continue to criticise Evans where it is due, indeed one of the lessons that does come out of the demise of Bury and the difficulties at so many clubs is that many fans desperately drown out any criticism as long as results are ok, making it seem illegitimate to criticise an owner.
That criticism, of course, needs to be proportionate and anyone not taking into account how the wider finances of football have changed since Evans bought ITFC in 2007 is being equally shortsighted. However to start with:
1. Evans has never put in place a football structure meaning that there has been a lack of cohesion within the club and big disjoints between managers. The net result of that is millions wasted on poor players and one relegation;
2. Evans' communication with fans has been poor throughout his ownership, that one set piece 'interview' 18 months ago was enough to placate many fans shows he should have done more. No one has any need for an owner on Twitter every time he has a thought but Evans has got that balance wrong, leaving it to senior staff to take all the criticism for his own decisions.
3. Other than first team wages costs have been cut relentlessly, that manifests itself in a tired ground (has it actually been painted yet?), inadequate staffing and baffling decisions such as breaking the link to the Community Trust (which at least has now been reversed). Whilst much of Portman Road has been empty the idea of giving cheap tickets to local kids to get them involved has seemed too difficult. [Post edited 28 Aug 2019 17:02]
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| As of today................ on 14:55 - Aug 28 with 1964 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
| As of today................ on 14:20 - Aug 28 by Steve_M |
If the only benchmark for an owner is Day, Dale and Anderson then there isn't much hope for the game. This idea that because we still have a club Evans is immune from criticism is both naive and ridiculous.
I will continue to criticise Evans where it is due, indeed one of the lessons that does come out of the demise of Bury and the difficulties at so many clubs is that many fans desperately drown out any criticism as long as results are ok, making it seem illegitimate to criticise an owner.
That criticism, of course, needs to be proportionate and anyone not taking into account how the wider finances of football have changed since Evans bought ITFC in 2007 is being equally shortsighted. However to start with:
1. Evans has never put in place a football structure meaning that there has been a lack of cohesion within the club and big disjoints between managers. The net result of that is millions wasted on poor players and one relegation;
2. Evans' communication with fans has been poor throughout his ownership, that one set piece 'interview' 18 months ago was enough to placate many fans shows he should have done more. No one has any need for an owner on Twitter every time he has a thought but Evans has got that balance wrong, leaving it to senior staff to take all the criticism for his own decisions.
3. Other than first team wages costs have been cut relentlessly, that manifests itself in a tired ground (has it actually been painted yet?), inadequate staffing and baffling decisions such as breaking the link to the Community Trust (which at least has now been reversed). Whilst much of Portman Road has been empty the idea of giving cheap tickets to local kids to get them involved has seemed too difficult. [Post edited 28 Aug 2019 17:02]
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| As of today................ on 15:21 - Aug 28 with 1903 views | Tommyparker |
| As of today................ on 14:16 - Aug 28 by SouperJim |
To look at it another way, given that ITFC currently sit 12th in the English football clubs debt table and the lions share of that has been added under Evans, yet we still find ourselves in the third tier, his ownership has been a bit of a shocker. Given league positions, only Sunderland are worse off.
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Sunderland debt free, Sunderland's new owners Stuart Donald quoted when he bought the club last year " We have given Ellis 40 million. That's the deal price. His debt , he's now tied it up - and that's now gone from the football club, and it's not been ported to us. The reality is Sunderland is debt-free. | | | |
| As of today................ on 15:41 - Aug 28 with 1841 views | Naylorsboots |
Yes he keeps us afloat which is great. But his time here has been poor. His appointments have been terrible, apart from Big Mick. When he should have put his hand in his pocket he didnt. Im not saying he should spend millions but his football brain isnt there. He needs someone who can see the bigger picture, not a Clegg, Milne or O Neil. But a proper CEO who has previously worked within the game. |  | | |
| As of today................ on 15:44 - Aug 28 with 1832 views | jas0999 |
I feel sorry for Bury and Bolton. Clearly they are in a worse state than us.
... but to overlook our owners failings would not be correct in my opinion. It’s probably worth reflecting that we were a top half Championship side when he took over - yes, in some financial difficulty. We are now a League One club, primarily owing to his poor ownership and strategy. That’s hardly reason to not criticise - we have gone backwards under his ownership.
It’s one thing being reckless, quite another being overly cautious and not investing to the levels required. Not millions, just sensible reinvestment of monies received. For too long, Evans strategy of selling our better players, replace with poorer, cheaper quality, often on short term deals or loans has been very costly. Not in terms of a Bury or Bolton - but it saw us relegated. There were other poor decisions along the way.
So although I’m by no means categorising Evans with some other owners - there has to be criticism of his ownership. None more so when he completely failed to back Mick when we were top of the league a few years back. Ultimately a potentially costly error. | | | |
| That was a not unreasonable post from Nerders on 16:21 - Aug 28 with 1781 views | Illinoisblue |
| That was a not unreasonable post from Nerders on 14:32 - Aug 28 by Dyland |
An exception that proves the rule though. |
but, as ever, any remotely valid point is overshadowed by 99.9% of his post being hysterical bobbins. | |
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| As of today................ on 16:25 - Aug 28 with 1758 views | Mullet |
As I said in the other thread
Much as I Hate to Admit it.... by Mullet 28 Aug 2019 9:13This simply doesn't add up to me. He has shown himself to consistently misread the club and the footballing world around him, he has made several mistakes and seemingly learnt very little from them, very slowly.
He abdicates a lot of power to his managers and administrators and then fails to act quickly enough, or be involved enough to check on them. His successes here have been largely down to Mick McCarthy and in the context of repairing the Hurst era, Paul Lambert. That's after over a decade of running a club and only recently avoiding the old boys club at the golf course for their advice.
I had a lot of support for Evans when he came in, he undoubtedly saved us, but to what end? He gambled and gambled badly to go up and make a fortune, now we're stuck with each other it seems. I don't hate him or think he's inherently evil but if the bar is the political equivalent of not being a failed third world junta or banana republic then forgive me, I just don't buy it.
He put us in this league, he has left the ground and the community projects go and even wanted the academy over until someone finally got him to listen. That is not great vision or leadership for me. He seems to consistently be slow to act and uncertain of his own ideals and actions. That has seen us overtaken several times over since he's been here and we are unlikely to recover.
Just because we haven't gone bust like Bury doesn't mean we haven't made a long walk backwards since he arrived. A lot of people will suggest if we win this league it'll be a success, but we will go up and be begging for scraps at the table of a division we used to be a staple of, during a bad season. That isn't good enough.
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| As of today................ on 16:31 - Aug 28 with 1744 views | stewartm |
| As of today................ on 14:19 - Aug 28 by SouperJim |
Trouble is, he has risked our future, we're nearly £100M in the hole. The "sensible, prudent" thing has come off the back of allowing Roy Keane to run up debts which may take decades to recover from. |
Not just Roy Keane, do not forget the interest payments on loans from ME to ME...…. |  |
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| False equivalence on 16:34 - Aug 28 with 1737 views | ScottCandage |
You can't merely say that ME is good because Bolton and Bury are bad. Those are not the only two options. It's just as fair to say that ME isn't as good as, for example, the Fenway Sports Group (Liverpool and Boston Red Sox owners, I'm a huge Sox fan.) Yes, we are not Bury or Bolton. And that's good. But those aren't the only two outcomes here. |  | | |
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