The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:23 - Sep 10 with 680 views | ElephantintheRoom | Sort of depends on the EU's response to our current chaos. IF they OK another extension it may well depend on revoking article 50 anyway - and come back to use when you actually have a plan. | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:26 - Sep 10 with 677 views | Guthrum |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:08 - Sep 10 by blueislander | I do wonder how many of those who voted leave in the referendum, having seen how problematical it is to achieve, and having been made aware of the economic consequences of leaving the EU , would change their minds. Unfortunately on here we only seem to get the absolutely entrenched view that the result of the referendum has to be obeyed, and we must leave at all costs. Even in the country at large no one seems to be putting up any really constructive arguments for the benefits of being outside the EU. |
Problem is, the people don't directly get asked political questions very often. Even in General Elections, their hopes are often thwarted and manifestoes not fulfilled. It hurts when Westminster then turns around and says they can't have what they opted for. The Referendum was run on emotions, not pragmatism and practicality, so the latter two do not soften the kick in the teeth. | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:34 - Sep 10 with 668 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 09:54 - Sep 10 by Guthrum | I don't think it would be. It's the way our system works. It's only proving problematic this time because we're being asked to make a major watershed decision upon which there is no real chance of going back (even if we do rejoin the EU, it will be upon much less favourable terms), without a substantial degree of consensus (the 2016 Referendum result was little more than 50/50). Plus the Leavers really didn't believe they would win and are now desperate to hold onto that victory at all costs, thinking it'd be unlikely to happen again. |
I think a more pertinent point is that Leavers would perceive that they never actually got what they voted for. A bit different to normal parliamentary elections where the party voted in do ultimately govern the country for a while before the public get to decide if they still feel the same way | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:59 - Sep 10 with 649 views | Guthrum |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:34 - Sep 10 by C_HealyIsAPleasure | I think a more pertinent point is that Leavers would perceive that they never actually got what they voted for. A bit different to normal parliamentary elections where the party voted in do ultimately govern the country for a while before the public get to decide if they still feel the same way |
It seems that people were not all voting for the same thing, indeed a vague concept rather than a concrete proposal. If only there had been some way of people agreeing what it was they wanted beforehand (say, a prospectus/manifesto from the official Leave campaign) or prior to negotiations starting (e.g. a cross-party commission). | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:02 - Sep 10 with 648 views | chicoazul | Thornberry seems to be saying that Labour would reneg a great deal with the EU if they won , and that she would subsequently campaign against it as she thinks Remain would be a better idea. You have to wonder sometimes. | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:05 - Sep 10 with 641 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 10:59 - Sep 10 by Guthrum | It seems that people were not all voting for the same thing, indeed a vague concept rather than a concrete proposal. If only there had been some way of people agreeing what it was they wanted beforehand (say, a prospectus/manifesto from the official Leave campaign) or prior to negotiations starting (e.g. a cross-party commission). |
That may be true but not getting any form of leave will still leave the perception that their votes have been ignored, quite clearly, and is still a completely different situation to voting out a government who have actually been in office further down the line [Post edited 10 Sep 2019 11:06]
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:11 - Sep 10 with 616 views | JakeITFC |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:02 - Sep 10 by chicoazul | Thornberry seems to be saying that Labour would reneg a great deal with the EU if they won , and that she would subsequently campaign against it as she thinks Remain would be a better idea. You have to wonder sometimes. |
That does sound like the most democratic thing to do though, surely? | | | |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:12 - Sep 10 with 619 views | Guthrum |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:05 - Sep 10 by C_HealyIsAPleasure | That may be true but not getting any form of leave will still leave the perception that their votes have been ignored, quite clearly, and is still a completely different situation to voting out a government who have actually been in office further down the line [Post edited 10 Sep 2019 11:06]
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Indeed. Plus I think it is more of a raw, emotive issue than a rational one. These are people who feel they've been ignored for decades, now it's happening again, with an added sham consultation first to add insult to injury. | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:35 - Sep 10 with 594 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 11:12 - Sep 10 by Guthrum | Indeed. Plus I think it is more of a raw, emotive issue than a rational one. These are people who feel they've been ignored for decades, now it's happening again, with an added sham consultation first to add insult to injury. |
Yep, very well put | |
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The Lib Dems are going all in on 17:38 - Sep 10 with 530 views | Pilgrimblue |
The Lib Dems are going all in on 08:20 - Sep 10 by hampstead_blue | Smart move. They will be pushing Labour for the second largest party. |
Hope you're right but that may still lead to coalition with JC | | | |
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