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In the 60's onwards we had the Irish Terrorists - IRA,UDA,UDF etc. We also had CND,Trade unionists, Greenpeace, Greenham common, Occupy (2008) and the Tree huggers (Swampy et al). Files were kept on all these groups and in some cases the police planted spies amongst them. The tactics today will be similar. They might not be terrorists but the police know who they are and have information on them.
The Animal Rights protestors went from releasing caged animals into the wild to planting bombs in cars. That's when they crossed the line. Today, most of what they campaigned for is part of EU/UK Animal Welfare laws. That is because academics, MP's etc got "woke" to animal cruelty and made their cause mainstream. So that's how the far right could become "normal" as more celebrities, MP's etc. think that their views are OK.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
Do counter-terrorism police really have "no plan" for far right groups? on 15:43 - Sep 23 by Oldsmoker
In the 60's onwards we had the Irish Terrorists - IRA,UDA,UDF etc. We also had CND,Trade unionists, Greenpeace, Greenham common, Occupy (2008) and the Tree huggers (Swampy et al). Files were kept on all these groups and in some cases the police planted spies amongst them. The tactics today will be similar. They might not be terrorists but the police know who they are and have information on them.
The Animal Rights protestors went from releasing caged animals into the wild to planting bombs in cars. That's when they crossed the line. Today, most of what they campaigned for is part of EU/UK Animal Welfare laws. That is because academics, MP's etc got "woke" to animal cruelty and made their cause mainstream. So that's how the far right could become "normal" as more celebrities, MP's etc. think that their views are OK.
Until the mid-70s MI5 opened as a matter of course a file on every university/polytechnic student. Most of course ended up with nothing written in them, but it also enabled the Security Services to identify potential recruits: a friend of mine who read Russian at Leeds was approached by GCHQ because she had (a) the language skills and (b) no involvement in left-wing politics recorded against her.
Obviously, I can't tell you if she accepted the job offer.
Do counter-terrorism police really have "no plan" for far right groups? on 17:22 - Sep 23 by factual_blue
Until the mid-70s MI5 opened as a matter of course a file on every university/polytechnic student. Most of course ended up with nothing written in them, but it also enabled the Security Services to identify potential recruits: a friend of mine who read Russian at Leeds was approached by GCHQ because she had (a) the language skills and (b) no involvement in left-wing politics recorded against her.
Obviously, I can't tell you if she accepted the job offer.
Someone did approach me just after uni for exactly the same reasons, 'Russian textual analyst' was the job title iirc. After speaking for a while the lady did say it was for GCHQ or summat so I politely declined the offer of an interview.
But if MI5 were really up on their homework, they wouldn't have approached a weirdo like me.
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Do counter-terrorism police really have "no plan" for far right groups? on 17:26 - Sep 23 by footers
Someone did approach me just after uni for exactly the same reasons, 'Russian textual analyst' was the job title iirc. After speaking for a while the lady did say it was for GCHQ or summat so I politely declined the offer of an interview.
But if MI5 were really up on their homework, they wouldn't have approached a weirdo like me.
Do counter-terrorism police really have "no plan" for far right groups? on 15:43 - Sep 23 by Oldsmoker
In the 60's onwards we had the Irish Terrorists - IRA,UDA,UDF etc. We also had CND,Trade unionists, Greenpeace, Greenham common, Occupy (2008) and the Tree huggers (Swampy et al). Files were kept on all these groups and in some cases the police planted spies amongst them. The tactics today will be similar. They might not be terrorists but the police know who they are and have information on them.
The Animal Rights protestors went from releasing caged animals into the wild to planting bombs in cars. That's when they crossed the line. Today, most of what they campaigned for is part of EU/UK Animal Welfare laws. That is because academics, MP's etc got "woke" to animal cruelty and made their cause mainstream. So that's how the far right could become "normal" as more celebrities, MP's etc. think that their views are OK.
Insiders from MI5 who looked into CND concluded that they were far from the left wing extremists and actually held a broad range of views
They were taken off the watchlist in the 80's although this didn't stop the Tories twisting the facts obtained on the organisation
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Alcohol is the answer but I can't remember the question!
They've done nothing wrong yet, if they had to make plans based on what people say/write they would need plans for 50% of Twitter and football forum users
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Do counter-terrorism police really have on 22:48 - Sep 23 with 1120 views
Do counter-terrorism police really have on 19:12 - Sep 23 by bournemouthblue
Insiders from MI5 who looked into CND concluded that they were far from the left wing extremists and actually held a broad range of views
They were taken off the watchlist in the 80's although this didn't stop the Tories twisting the facts obtained on the organisation
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Thanks for that. I hadn't seen that documentary before.One thing that worried me was the bit about the opinion of a senior MI5 boss who thought that CND was controlled by communists. This is one persons opinion that became accepted policy. He was wrong, but money and resources were wasted for many years because of this opinion. A similar wrong opinion was the Yorkshire Ripper chief police detective who was convinced that the tape and letters from Jack were genuine. This also wasted time and resources and I've watched at least 2 programs that suggest that Sutcliffe may have been caught earlier if they hadn't been distracted by it. It boils down to who polices the police because they're not always right.
Don't believe a word I say. I'm only kidding. Or am I?
Do counter-terrorism police really have "no plan" for far right groups? on 20:40 - Sep 23 by crunchie1978
Normally not planning for something that has a very good chance of not happening is a perfectly rational thing to do.
Except that this 'something' has happened. In Christchurch. In Norway. Several times in the USA. All of those people espoused the same bollox theory about "racial replacement" that groups like Generation Identity also subscribe to. It resulted in a large number of murders.
No UK GI member has done anything like that - yet. But to write off the chances of one at some time following the same path (albeit with less easy access to guns) would be foolish.
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