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Who could have guessed... 10:27 - Oct 1 with 1966 viewschicoazul

...that building schools open-plan is very stupid?

https://schoolsweek.co.uk/two-academies-get-7m-to-go-back-to-the-wall/

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Who could have guessed... on 10:30 - Oct 1 with 1516 viewsSteve_M

Who would have thought that letting people with no experience of education run schools would produce idiotic decisions like the original one here?

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Who could have guessed... on 10:31 - Oct 1 with 1504 viewsfooters

Still, all these Academies are doing well, aren't they?

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Who could have guessed... on 10:31 - Oct 1 with 1504 viewsBrianTablet

Who could have guessed... on 10:30 - Oct 1 by Steve_M

Who would have thought that letting people with no experience of education run schools would produce idiotic decisions like the original one here?


Michael Gove's mum?

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Who could have guessed... on 10:31 - Oct 1 with 1499 viewsfooters

Who could have guessed... on 10:30 - Oct 1 by Steve_M

Who would have thought that letting people with no experience of education run schools would produce idiotic decisions like the original one here?



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Who could have guessed... on 10:33 - Oct 1 with 1494 viewschicoazul

Who could have guessed... on 10:30 - Oct 1 by Steve_M

Who would have thought that letting people with no experience of education run schools would produce idiotic decisions like the original one here?


I dont thiiink letting people with no experience of education "run" schools is necessarily bad, as long as they basically stay out of the teachers' way.

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Who could have guessed... on 10:38 - Oct 1 with 1460 viewsSteve_M

Who could have guessed... on 10:33 - Oct 1 by chicoazul

I dont thiiink letting people with no experience of education "run" schools is necessarily bad, as long as they basically stay out of the teachers' way.


Almost be definition, those who want to run schools will think they know best.

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Who could have guessed... on 10:44 - Oct 1 with 1437 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Who could have guessed... on 10:30 - Oct 1 by Steve_M

Who would have thought that letting people with no experience of education run schools would produce idiotic decisions like the original one here?


Everyone has experience of education...

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Who could have guessed... on 11:04 - Oct 1 with 1401 viewsITFC_Forever

Good job my old school aren't planning anything so daft. Oh.

Gone will be the old-fashioned dark corridors of years past, replaced by an open-plan single building across three floors with 30 new classrooms including science laboratories, an ICT room, four rooms for music, art and drama and five design and technology rooms, as well as a large assembly hall.

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ormiston-endeavour-academy-ipswich-suffolk-ne

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Who could have guessed... on 11:11 - Oct 1 with 1383 viewschicoazul

Who could have guessed... on 11:04 - Oct 1 by ITFC_Forever

Good job my old school aren't planning anything so daft. Oh.

Gone will be the old-fashioned dark corridors of years past, replaced by an open-plan single building across three floors with 30 new classrooms including science laboratories, an ICT room, four rooms for music, art and drama and five design and technology rooms, as well as a large assembly hall.

https://www.ipswichstar.co.uk/news/ormiston-endeavour-academy-ipswich-suffolk-ne


What an ugly awful stupid sh!tshow.

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Who could have guessed... on 11:13 - Oct 1 with 1379 viewsgiant_stow

Have you seen the open plan bogs that seem to be popular in newly built schools? They're basically like little open cupboards off corridors, supposedly to reduce opportunities for bullies to do their thing out of sight. Could be a good thing, but if I was a kid in a school like that, I'd never ever do a sh1t in one - if it was noisy, the whole school might hear my doings.

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Who could have guessed... on 11:15 - Oct 1 with 1372 viewshomer_123

I wonder how it was actually implemented though?

There is definitely space (pardon the pun) for breakout areas, open plan spaces where there is room for groups of pupils/ students to collaborate, share ideas, work differently, as well as the more traditional classroom based learning.

Open plan isn't bad as such, you need to use it wisely.

I certainly wouldn't advocate an entire school being open plan though.

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Who could have guessed... on 11:19 - Oct 1 with 1355 viewschicoazul

Who could have guessed... on 11:15 - Oct 1 by homer_123

I wonder how it was actually implemented though?

There is definitely space (pardon the pun) for breakout areas, open plan spaces where there is room for groups of pupils/ students to collaborate, share ideas, work differently, as well as the more traditional classroom based learning.

Open plan isn't bad as such, you need to use it wisely.

I certainly wouldn't advocate an entire school being open plan though.


It was entirely an open-plan learning space with 15 "classrooms" that had up to 90, yes 90, kids in each.

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Who could have guessed... on 11:25 - Oct 1 with 1337 viewshampstead_blue

Who could have guessed... on 10:33 - Oct 1 by chicoazul

I dont thiiink letting people with no experience of education "run" schools is necessarily bad, as long as they basically stay out of the teachers' way.


you need disruption in every sector to encourage growth and innovation.

The fact that it didn't work and they've identified the problem and are changing it is great news.

If you retain the status quo the same three chords just go round, and around.

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Who could have guessed... on 12:48 - Oct 1 with 1271 viewsIllinoisblue

It can work and does work. Both my kids went to/go to an elementary (primary) school over here which is open plan. It was built in the 1970s. No walls anywhere except for the art room. This school has the best test scores of all the elementary schools in the district and when kids move up to middle school , the middle school teachers can generally tell which kids went to the open plan school because they’re better behaved and better listeners than other kids.

* Obviously there are other Socioeconomic factors at play here; it’s not just an open plan building which makes things work.

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Who could have guessed... on 13:19 - Oct 1 with 1225 viewsHerbivore

Who could have guessed... on 10:44 - Oct 1 by Marshalls_Mullet

Everyone has experience of education...


I'm not sure this is true reading this forum.

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Who could have guessed... on 14:08 - Oct 1 with 1184 viewsDarth_Koont

Who could have guessed... on 10:44 - Oct 1 by Marshalls_Mullet

Everyone has experience of education...


Yes, as users.

We also have experience of cars and computers, for example. Doesn't make any of us car or IT designers/engineers.

Edit: Thinking about it, you probably meant this.
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Who could have guessed... on 14:25 - Oct 1 with 1163 viewsGaryCooper

Who could have guessed... on 13:19 - Oct 1 by Herbivore

I'm not sure this is true reading this forum.


Yes you are correct, this forum does a predominance of left wingers.
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Who could have guessed... on 14:31 - Oct 1 with 1149 viewsHerbivore

Who could have guessed... on 14:25 - Oct 1 by GaryCooper

Yes you are correct, this forum does a predominance of left wingers.


It's well known that those on the left are generally more well educated than those on the right. The inferiority complex that results is one of the drivers behind the right's sometimes quite nasty and selfish world view.
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Who could have guessed... on 14:32 - Oct 1 with 1139 viewsDarth_Koont

Who could have guessed... on 14:25 - Oct 1 by GaryCooper

Yes you are correct, this forum does a predominance of left wingers.


https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/abs/10.1177/0956797611421206

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Who could have guessed... on 14:47 - Oct 1 with 1118 viewsHerbivore

Who could have guessed... on 14:31 - Oct 1 by Herbivore

It's well known that those on the left are generally more well educated than those on the right. The inferiority complex that results is one of the drivers behind the right's sometimes quite nasty and selfish world view.
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Paz is back, proving my point for me. How you been, Pazzer lad?

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Who could have guessed... on 16:10 - Oct 1 with 1070 viewschicoazul

Who could have guessed... on 12:48 - Oct 1 by Illinoisblue

It can work and does work. Both my kids went to/go to an elementary (primary) school over here which is open plan. It was built in the 1970s. No walls anywhere except for the art room. This school has the best test scores of all the elementary schools in the district and when kids move up to middle school , the middle school teachers can generally tell which kids went to the open plan school because they’re better behaved and better listeners than other kids.

* Obviously there are other Socioeconomic factors at play here; it’s not just an open plan building which makes things work.


Interesting thanks. Wonder what the difference factor is over there..?

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Who could have guessed... on 16:14 - Oct 1 with 1054 viewsBlueBadger

Who could have guessed... on 11:25 - Oct 1 by hampstead_blue

you need disruption in every sector to encourage growth and innovation.

The fact that it didn't work and they've identified the problem and are changing it is great news.

If you retain the status quo the same three chords just go round, and around.


Status Quo have sustained a successful 50-odd year career though....

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Who could have guessed... on 16:32 - Oct 1 with 1040 viewsBlueBadger

Ah, the Efficient Private Sector. Yet again delivering improved outcomes at lower cost to the taxpayer.

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Who could have guessed... on 16:35 - Oct 1 with 1030 viewsClapham_Junction

Who could have guessed... on 16:10 - Oct 1 by chicoazul

Interesting thanks. Wonder what the difference factor is over there..?


It might be the difference between it being a primary school and a secondary school, or just how they've used the open plan space.

The primary school in Great Waldingfield was open plan when I was there (you could freely walk between the classes), but there was enough space between them that you rarely heard the one next door.
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Who could have guessed... on 16:35 - Oct 1 with 1031 viewsIllinoisblue

Who could have guessed... on 16:10 - Oct 1 by chicoazul

Interesting thanks. Wonder what the difference factor is over there..?


there are so many variables at play, but in this case the headteacher is absolutely fantastic; he sets the tone for everything. He is involved in everything at the school; has lunch with the kids every day, takes part in gym, sends out weekly notes, etc. Kids and parents absolutely love him. So that, obviously, helps a lot.

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