| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 09:48 - Oct 2 with 2937 views | Darth_Koont |
Very good. The analysis and conclusion seem pretty much spot on.
"The two sides are not operating to the same time horizon. Both say they want a deal, but Johnson means a headline to get through the week; Brussels means a treaty to secure the integrity of the European project for a generation.
That misalignment of perspectives has plagued the Brexit process. Eurosceptics constantly underestimate EU states’ readiness to prize collective solidarity over relations with a splitter nation on its way out of the club. It never occurred to them, for example, that an Irish voice could carry further across the continent than an English one. They did not anticipate the difference between a European negotiation among member states (the kind where Britain often got its way) and a negotiation between the EU and an exiting country issuing unrealistic demands backed by improbable threats." |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 09:51 - Oct 2 with 2928 views | chicoazul |
Strong feeling here that a deal is going to happen. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:06 - Oct 2 with 2892 views | BlueBadger |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 09:51 - Oct 2 by chicoazul |
Strong feeling here that a deal is going to happen. |
It will be the May deal that Boris will try and flog as something new.
And it will fail to clear Parliament. Again.
Because Boris' hardline mates will complain it doesn't go far enough in boosting the profits of their disaster capitalist backers. Again. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:30 - Oct 2 with 2865 views | Pinewoodblue |
The situation we are now in is the only reason why I voted remain.
The EU will only accept a deal that fully protects the customs union and the single market. The only way that can happen is an open-ended backstop. No point in a further extension as the current blockage cannot be çleared.
The country is divided for ever, some would say destroyed the new Greece or Italy.
France will be next, weekly protests continue in Paris must be almost a year since they started and no sign of them ending, or being fully reported. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:41 - Oct 2 with 2841 views | BlueBadger |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:30 - Oct 2 by Pinewoodblue |
The situation we are now in is the only reason why I voted remain.
The EU will only accept a deal that fully protects the customs union and the single market. The only way that can happen is an open-ended backstop. No point in a further extension as the current blockage cannot be çleared.
The country is divided for ever, some would say destroyed the new Greece or Italy.
France will be next, weekly protests continue in Paris must be almost a year since they started and no sign of them ending, or being fully reported. |
Referendum is the only democratic way out. 'But we already had a vote' is a nebulous answer - in roughly the same time period we've had two general elections(and are likely to see a third) and now know what we're getting.
The glorious beach weekend we were promised turns out to be overpriced and the beach itself is home to a sewage outlet and covered in dog eggs. And the forecast is for it to piss it down all weekend, therefore it's probably time to think again.
The trouble is, Brexit is now officially a cult for some people, who won't listen to sense, let alone facts. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 10:41]
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 11:12 - Oct 2 with 2800 views | giant_stow |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:41 - Oct 2 by BlueBadger |
Referendum is the only democratic way out. 'But we already had a vote' is a nebulous answer - in roughly the same time period we've had two general elections(and are likely to see a third) and now know what we're getting.
The glorious beach weekend we were promised turns out to be overpriced and the beach itself is home to a sewage outlet and covered in dog eggs. And the forecast is for it to piss it down all weekend, therefore it's probably time to think again.
The trouble is, Brexit is now officially a cult for some people, who won't listen to sense, let alone facts. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 10:41]
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The only way to get peace and resolution on this is for the remain side to stand down. On the whole, remainers are the the only ones with the wherewithall to stomach defeat. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 12:39 - Oct 2 with 2715 views | Guthrum |
Felt quite sad going through the EU Citizens channel for possibly the last time on arriving in Poland last week. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 12:50 - Oct 2 with 2682 views | Guthrum |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:06 - Oct 2 by BlueBadger |
It will be the May deal that Boris will try and flog as something new.
And it will fail to clear Parliament. Again.
Because Boris' hardline mates will complain it doesn't go far enough in boosting the profits of their disaster capitalist backers. Again. |
I'm not so sure a reworded May's deal would fail to clear the Commons this time. All depends what Labour (either corporately or individual MPs) decides to do. Whether they consider inflicting yet another defeat on an already helpless government (thereby possibly playing into the latter's hands) preferable to avoiding the prospect of No Deal. | |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 14:35 - Oct 2 with 2579 views | SpruceMoose |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 11:12 - Oct 2 by giant_stow |
The only way to get peace and resolution on this is for the remain side to stand down. On the whole, remainers are the the only ones with the wherewithall to stomach defeat. |
They're also the only ones who seem to give a damn about the country anymore. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:02 - Oct 2 with 2522 views | itfc_bucks |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 11:12 - Oct 2 by giant_stow |
The only way to get peace and resolution on this is for the remain side to stand down. On the whole, remainers are the the only ones with the wherewithall to stomach defeat. |
No chance mate.
Just because we remainers have a firmer grasp on how the real world works, does not mean we should roll over and let the unicorn chasing brigade run this shower.
No, eventually, common sense will have to prevail and the question be put back to the public. At that point, Brexit dies and many political careers will have to end. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 16:20]
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:18 - Oct 2 with 2497 views | giant_stow |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:02 - Oct 2 by itfc_bucks |
No chance mate.
Just because we remainers have a firmer grasp on how the real world works, does not mean we should roll over and let the unicorn chasing brigade run this shower.
No, eventually, common sense will have to prevail and the question be put back to the public. At that point, Brexit dies and many political careers will have to end. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 16:20]
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Don't get me wrong - hope you're right, but I fear the worse. | |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:20 - Oct 2 with 2493 views | Ryorry |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:41 - Oct 2 by BlueBadger |
Referendum is the only democratic way out. 'But we already had a vote' is a nebulous answer - in roughly the same time period we've had two general elections(and are likely to see a third) and now know what we're getting.
The glorious beach weekend we were promised turns out to be overpriced and the beach itself is home to a sewage outlet and covered in dog eggs. And the forecast is for it to piss it down all weekend, therefore it's probably time to think again.
The trouble is, Brexit is now officially a cult for some people, who won't listen to sense, let alone facts. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 10:41]
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It's always seemed to me that Leavers have been operating purely according to emotions and vague feelings, with only Remainers reasoning and looking at facts - a few exceptioms proving the rule. Have yet to see/read one good, factual reason to leave with no deal. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:28 - Oct 2 with 2477 views | SpruceMoose |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:20 - Oct 2 by Ryorry |
It's always seemed to me that Leavers have been operating purely according to emotions and vague feelings, with only Remainers reasoning and looking at facts - a few exceptioms proving the rule. Have yet to see/read one good, factual reason to leave with no deal. |
Me either.
I have never, ever, seen a well evidenced, rational, factual explanation for the benefits of Brexit.
It's safe to conclude there isn't one. | |
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| Felt exactly the same the other day... on 16:34 - Oct 2 with 2473 views | unstableblue |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 12:39 - Oct 2 by Guthrum |
Felt quite sad going through the EU Citizens channel for possibly the last time on arriving in Poland last week. |
... arriving in Europe.
I think in a fairly short space a lot of UK citizens would start to ask - "we seem to have lost a lot but gained very little" |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 17:20 - Oct 2 with 2410 views | itfc_bucks |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:28 - Oct 2 by SpruceMoose |
Me either.
I have never, ever, seen a well evidenced, rational, factual explanation for the benefits of Brexit.
It's safe to conclude there isn't one. |
I've yet to see a good, factual reason for leaving at all. | | | |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 19:52 - Oct 2 with 2334 views | BlueBadger |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 17:20 - Oct 2 by itfc_bucks |
I've yet to see a good, factual reason for leaving at all. |
'Foreigners and our passports are the wrong colour' not doing it for you? | |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 20:14 - Oct 2 with 2311 views | Oldsmoker |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:28 - Oct 2 by SpruceMoose |
Me either.
I have never, ever, seen a well evidenced, rational, factual explanation for the benefits of Brexit.
It's safe to conclude there isn't one. |
I have found a few articles that outline how Brexit could work and the arrangements required to make it work. The articles appear well thought out and the author is an academic with the all the degrees etc.
None of these articles mentioned benefits apart from saving the money the UK contributes to the EU.
However, when I've googled the article I've found other articles that rip them apart.
There is one article (if I can find the link I'll post it) that takes you through a perfect list of what we want but the sting at the end in the last sentence states "That is exactly the deal we have with the EU right now". |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 22:19 - Oct 2 with 2233 views | No9 |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 10:30 - Oct 2 by Pinewoodblue |
The situation we are now in is the only reason why I voted remain.
The EU will only accept a deal that fully protects the customs union and the single market. The only way that can happen is an open-ended backstop. No point in a further extension as the current blockage cannot be çleared.
The country is divided for ever, some would say destroyed the new Greece or Italy.
France will be next, weekly protests continue in Paris must be almost a year since they started and no sign of them ending, or being fully reported. |
Why are you overlooking International law?
+ UK law that the tories signed up to? | | | |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 22:40 - Oct 2 with 2207 views | Footballpete |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 16:28 - Oct 2 by SpruceMoose |
Me either.
I have never, ever, seen a well evidenced, rational, factual explanation for the benefits of Brexit.
It's safe to conclude there isn't one. |
There was no good reason to leave until the majority voted to do so. My fear is that if we don’t, a very unsavoury movement will now have mass appeal. We basically fooked! |  |
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| Felt exactly the same the other day... on 22:54 - Oct 2 with 2194 views | Ryorry |
| Felt exactly the same the other day... on 16:34 - Oct 2 by unstableblue |
... arriving in Europe.
I think in a fairly short space a lot of UK citizens would start to ask - "we seem to have lost a lot but gained very little" |
Shame there wasn't any way of implementing "suck it and see" eh?!
One of those things for which "try before you buy" would have been a good idea.
6 months of a No Deal Brexit and all the Leavers will be screaming about how awful things are ... | |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 07:05 - Oct 3 with 2060 views | Dubtractor |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 22:40 - Oct 2 by Footballpete |
There was no good reason to leave until the majority voted to do so. My fear is that if we don’t, a very unsavoury movement will now have mass appeal. We basically fooked! |
We're not getting that genie back in the bottle now. Unfortunately. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 07:19 - Oct 3 with 2050 views | itfc_bucks |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 19:52 - Oct 2 by BlueBadger |
'Foreigners and our passports are the wrong colour' not doing it for you? |
Given we have the ability to limit immigration and change the colour of our passports under the existing system, I'm afraid it really doesn't. | | | |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 07:31 - Oct 3 with 2032 views | Steve_M |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 07:05 - Oct 3 by Dubtractor |
We're not getting that genie back in the bottle now. Unfortunately. |
And even leaving won't make most of the leading Brexiters, or many of the people who voted leave, happy. There is no good solution to utopian promises and fear-mongering. |  |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 08:12 - Oct 3 with 1987 views | Steve_M |
Here's what the Irish Border looks like in reality, the impact of making that a hard border again, and despite the bluster that is exactly what Johnson is proposing, are just being ignored. How do you stop people using single-track roads without massive infrastructure?
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/brexit/borderlands/the-border | |
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| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 08:22 - Oct 3 with 1968 views | artsbossbeard |
| This is good on the dynamic of a Brexit deal on 07:31 - Oct 3 by Steve_M |
And even leaving won't make most of the leading Brexiters, or many of the people who voted leave, happy. There is no good solution to utopian promises and fear-mongering. |
The problem being is that if (when?) it does go wrong, it will be the fault of everyone else for not getting behind it wholly rather than the true patriots who only want what's good for our beloved nation.*
*I read this on social media |  |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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