| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? 11:35 - Oct 2 with 35372 views | BrixtonBlue |
Yes, I'm bored at work. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 17:19 - Oct 2 with 1387 views | sparks |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 15:00 - Oct 2 by wkj |
Because the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and god almighty blesses each and every one of us a soul which we possess forever. Our memories are not stored in our body, but in our spirit, and when we arrive in the kingdom of heaven, so too does our memories. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 15:01]
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Which memories do we arrive with?
The ones of dying? Pain, fear, horror? How about when we suffer dementia or udnergo personality change following brain injury. Which version ends up in heaven? |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 17:21 - Oct 2 with 1383 views | SpruceMoose |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 17:19 - Oct 2 by sparks |
Which memories do we arrive with?
The ones of dying? Pain, fear, horror? How about when we suffer dementia or udnergo personality change following brain injury. Which version ends up in heaven? |
The ones they'd show on an episode of 'This Is Your Life' I reckon. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:11 - Oct 2 with 1364 views | factual_blue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 15:13 - Oct 2 by footers |
More impressive than God? Wow. |
I think you'll find the human mind made Him/Her/It/Them up too.
Even the bit about Him/Her/It/Them moving in mysterious ways. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:20 - Oct 2 with 1354 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
Let's every one of us be sure to get out there and 'make some memories!'
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:36 - Oct 2 with 1346 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
How do computers work and how does memory work within them and devices?
I think the answers are probably similar except within living beings there are more chemical changes and it is much more efficient in terms of space to information stored ratio.
This, to me, is one of the clear indications of design within living beings. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:39 - Oct 2 with 1344 views | sparks |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:36 - Oct 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
How do computers work and how does memory work within them and devices?
I think the answers are probably similar except within living beings there are more chemical changes and it is much more efficient in terms of space to information stored ratio.
This, to me, is one of the clear indications of design within living beings. |
Your final sentence is about as fallacious as it gets. | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:44 - Oct 2 with 1338 views | SpruceMoose |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:36 - Oct 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
How do computers work and how does memory work within them and devices?
I think the answers are probably similar except within living beings there are more chemical changes and it is much more efficient in terms of space to information stored ratio.
This, to me, is one of the clear indications of design within living beings. |
You were doing so well until that final sentence. | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:48 - Oct 2 with 1333 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:44 - Oct 2 by SpruceMoose |
You were doing so well until that final sentence. |
Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer.
If you were to find a fully working computer or similarly complex machine you would never think it had come about completely by chance even if it had billions of years to do so.
My conclusion is that it is strong evidence there is a designer. Your and Sparks' conclusions are there is no designer so it cannot be evidence for one.
I know which way round is fallacious in my mind and I know it is futile arguing with either of you on it but neither of you can explain how it is not evidence of design. | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:54 - Oct 2 with 1330 views | sparks |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:48 - Oct 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer.
If you were to find a fully working computer or similarly complex machine you would never think it had come about completely by chance even if it had billions of years to do so.
My conclusion is that it is strong evidence there is a designer. Your and Sparks' conclusions are there is no designer so it cannot be evidence for one.
I know which way round is fallacious in my mind and I know it is futile arguing with either of you on it but neither of you can explain how it is not evidence of design. |
"Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer."
Nope- I work on evidence. There is no evidence for design, and stacks of evidence for evolution.
What is your evidence for design? We have lots of evidence showing how we developed. Even today there was a fascinating article on the BBC site about scientists having discovered that humans grow lizard type muscles in the womb at very early stages, which disappear later. | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:57 - Oct 2 with 1327 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:54 - Oct 2 by sparks |
"Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer."
Nope- I work on evidence. There is no evidence for design, and stacks of evidence for evolution.
What is your evidence for design? We have lots of evidence showing how we developed. Even today there was a fascinating article on the BBC site about scientists having discovered that humans grow lizard type muscles in the womb at very early stages, which disappear later. |
David Ike is God. | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 19:03 - Oct 2 with 1320 views | wkj |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 17:19 - Oct 2 by sparks |
Which memories do we arrive with?
The ones of dying? Pain, fear, horror? How about when we suffer dementia or udnergo personality change following brain injury. Which version ends up in heaven? |
Worse, probably all brexit related ones. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 19:21 - Oct 2 with 1313 views | SpruceMoose |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:48 - Oct 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer.
If you were to find a fully working computer or similarly complex machine you would never think it had come about completely by chance even if it had billions of years to do so.
My conclusion is that it is strong evidence there is a designer. Your and Sparks' conclusions are there is no designer so it cannot be evidence for one.
I know which way round is fallacious in my mind and I know it is futile arguing with either of you on it but neither of you can explain how it is not evidence of design. |
I don't even know how to combat this level of silliness. If you genuinely think that then you're beyond reason. Your conclusion makes no sense whatsoever considering everything else you have written.
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 19:39 - Oct 2 with 1290 views | Swansea_Blue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 15:00 - Oct 2 by wkj |
Because the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and god almighty blesses each and every one of us a soul which we possess forever. Our memories are not stored in our body, but in our spirit, and when we arrive in the kingdom of heaven, so too does our memories. [Post edited 2 Oct 2019 15:01]
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 19:49 - Oct 2 with 1281 views | Oldsmoker |
Well done everybody for not mentioning the Matrix.
Those agents are always listening.
You don't want to do anything to catch their attention.
Gotta go - there's a knock at the door. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 20:49 - Oct 2 with 1257 views | StokieBlue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:36 - Oct 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
How do computers work and how does memory work within them and devices?
I think the answers are probably similar except within living beings there are more chemical changes and it is much more efficient in terms of space to information stored ratio.
This, to me, is one of the clear indications of design within living beings. |
I don't even know where to start with that.
Maybe I'll try later. I will say your last sentence it total bobbins.
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 20:50 - Oct 2 with 1254 views | StokieBlue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:48 - Oct 2 by Nthsuffolkblue |
Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer.
If you were to find a fully working computer or similarly complex machine you would never think it had come about completely by chance even if it had billions of years to do so.
My conclusion is that it is strong evidence there is a designer. Your and Sparks' conclusions are there is no designer so it cannot be evidence for one.
I know which way round is fallacious in my mind and I know it is futile arguing with either of you on it but neither of you can explain how it is not evidence of design. |
Fundamental misunderstanding of evolution: check.
I might tackle it later but look up Boltzman brains, it shows your argument to be fallacious.
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 22:22 - Oct 2 with 1227 views | vapour_trail |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 17:19 - Oct 2 by sparks |
Which memories do we arrive with?
The ones of dying? Pain, fear, horror? How about when we suffer dementia or udnergo personality change following brain injury. Which version ends up in heaven? |
Isn’t the dementia self, just an unconstructed version of the more society ready self?
That was clearly the case with my old man anyway . |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:10 - Oct 3 with 1182 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 18:54 - Oct 2 by sparks |
"Except the only reason to discount it is because you have already concluded there is no God so therefore there cannot be a designer."
Nope- I work on evidence. There is no evidence for design, and stacks of evidence for evolution.
What is your evidence for design? We have lots of evidence showing how we developed. Even today there was a fascinating article on the BBC site about scientists having discovered that humans grow lizard type muscles in the womb at very early stages, which disappear later. |
Why does evolution preclude design? Why can evolution not be designed? | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:13 - Oct 3 with 1181 views | SpruceMoose |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:10 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
Why does evolution preclude design? Why can evolution not be designed? |
If you stick those two questions into Google you'll get some great, concise arguments. This isn't really cutting edge stuff, these questions have been answered time and time again. It's actually pretty interesting if you do a little digging - easy to go down an internetting wormhole! [Post edited 3 Oct 2019 0:16]
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:44 - Oct 3 with 1172 views | BrixtonBlue |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:13 - Oct 3 by SpruceMoose |
If you stick those two questions into Google you'll get some great, concise arguments. This isn't really cutting edge stuff, these questions have been answered time and time again. It's actually pretty interesting if you do a little digging - easy to go down an internetting wormhole! [Post edited 3 Oct 2019 0:16]
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I bought a book called "A Universe From Nothing" after recommendation on here. Yeah, it showed (sort of) that something can technically come from nothing. It still didn't explain why.
I expect a google of evolution wouldn't answer the why bit either.
I studied philosophy at university. The truth is we simply don't know. I don't know why people get so angry about it.
What we have now is too incredible to just be random and for no reason.I know this will anger some who say "it just happened and the reason this stuff is here is because it didn't die out, and nothing more"
It doesn't explain the source, or why survival happens, or why it does in so many forms, or why YOU have your consciousness etc, etc. | |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 01:20 - Oct 3 with 1164 views | Ryorry |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:44 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I bought a book called "A Universe From Nothing" after recommendation on here. Yeah, it showed (sort of) that something can technically come from nothing. It still didn't explain why.
I expect a google of evolution wouldn't answer the why bit either.
I studied philosophy at university. The truth is we simply don't know. I don't know why people get so angry about it.
What we have now is too incredible to just be random and for no reason.I know this will anger some who say "it just happened and the reason this stuff is here is because it didn't die out, and nothing more"
It doesn't explain the source, or why survival happens, or why it does in so many forms, or why YOU have your consciousness etc, etc. |
I'm not particularly well read in this, but think quite a few scientists (including Oppenheimer) gave/give more than a passing credence to religion.
I think it's a mistake to say that everything is clear cut, or cut and dried, as 1) it shuts us off from being receptive/open to new stuff and 2) new stuff is emerging all the time, as science & technology are being developed & advanced.
I keep coming back to how, eg, 100 years ago, anyone suggesting we could send moving images of live events around the whole world within a couple of seconds would have been locked up.
I'm not conventionally religious, but am awestuck almost daily by the sheer complexity & genius of plants & animals - e.g., my new Virginia Creeper tendrils "knowing" how to wind themselves round the bit of trellis provided, or stick themselves to my house walls without any assistance where there's no trellis. I know the theory of evolution of course, but as you say, the whys and wherefores of how very simple organisms evolved, the delicate balance of forces, materials, relationships, conditions, how & from where the sex drive to enable reproduction came about, etc etc etc really doesn't seem particularly well explained. |  |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 05:57 - Oct 3 with 1134 views | caught-in-limbo |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 01:20 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
I'm not particularly well read in this, but think quite a few scientists (including Oppenheimer) gave/give more than a passing credence to religion.
I think it's a mistake to say that everything is clear cut, or cut and dried, as 1) it shuts us off from being receptive/open to new stuff and 2) new stuff is emerging all the time, as science & technology are being developed & advanced.
I keep coming back to how, eg, 100 years ago, anyone suggesting we could send moving images of live events around the whole world within a couple of seconds would have been locked up.
I'm not conventionally religious, but am awestuck almost daily by the sheer complexity & genius of plants & animals - e.g., my new Virginia Creeper tendrils "knowing" how to wind themselves round the bit of trellis provided, or stick themselves to my house walls without any assistance where there's no trellis. I know the theory of evolution of course, but as you say, the whys and wherefores of how very simple organisms evolved, the delicate balance of forces, materials, relationships, conditions, how & from where the sex drive to enable reproduction came about, etc etc etc really doesn't seem particularly well explained. |
Agree.
I find those who "know" there is a God almost as baffling as those who are certain there isn't. [Post edited 3 Oct 2019 6:11]
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 07:17 - Oct 3 with 1105 views | sparks |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 00:44 - Oct 3 by BrixtonBlue |
I bought a book called "A Universe From Nothing" after recommendation on here. Yeah, it showed (sort of) that something can technically come from nothing. It still didn't explain why.
I expect a google of evolution wouldn't answer the why bit either.
I studied philosophy at university. The truth is we simply don't know. I don't know why people get so angry about it.
What we have now is too incredible to just be random and for no reason.I know this will anger some who say "it just happened and the reason this stuff is here is because it didn't die out, and nothing more"
It doesn't explain the source, or why survival happens, or why it does in so many forms, or why YOU have your consciousness etc, etc. |
The correct answer is that we don't know. When that becomes 'we don't know therefore supernatural' without any evidence, that is an argument from ignorance fallacy.
We do know how survival happens, and it seems very likely that consciousness is an emergent property if the increasingly complex brain. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 07:20 - Oct 3 with 1104 views | sparks |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 01:20 - Oct 3 by Ryorry |
I'm not particularly well read in this, but think quite a few scientists (including Oppenheimer) gave/give more than a passing credence to religion.
I think it's a mistake to say that everything is clear cut, or cut and dried, as 1) it shuts us off from being receptive/open to new stuff and 2) new stuff is emerging all the time, as science & technology are being developed & advanced.
I keep coming back to how, eg, 100 years ago, anyone suggesting we could send moving images of live events around the whole world within a couple of seconds would have been locked up.
I'm not conventionally religious, but am awestuck almost daily by the sheer complexity & genius of plants & animals - e.g., my new Virginia Creeper tendrils "knowing" how to wind themselves round the bit of trellis provided, or stick themselves to my house walls without any assistance where there's no trellis. I know the theory of evolution of course, but as you say, the whys and wherefores of how very simple organisms evolved, the delicate balance of forces, materials, relationships, conditions, how & from where the sex drive to enable reproduction came about, etc etc etc really doesn't seem particularly well explained. |
Most of that save for actual origin or abiogenesis is pretty well explained.
Importantly though, there are relatively few people who claim to KNOW that there is no god our similar entity, that's rarely the position people take. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 07:56 - Oct 3 with 1082 views | dickie |
| How the bloody hell are memories stored in our heads? on 07:17 - Oct 3 by sparks |
The correct answer is that we don't know. When that becomes 'we don't know therefore supernatural' without any evidence, that is an argument from ignorance fallacy.
We do know how survival happens, and it seems very likely that consciousness is an emergent property if the increasingly complex brain. |
Have you never read His Dark Materials? We know consciousness comes from Dust |  | | |
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