| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two 08:34 - Oct 3 with 3263 views | artsbossbeard |
Looking at this from a neutral perspective, if at all possible..
1. What will the first positives/negatives of the above look like?
2. When will these first positives/negatives impact our daily lives?
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:41 - Oct 3 with 3224 views | Pinewoodblue |
Sorry not programmed to respond as have not been told the answer yet. |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:46 - Oct 3 with 3207 views | Weekender |
There no such thing as clean break brexit |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:46 - Oct 3 with 3203 views | artsbossbeard |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:46 - Oct 3 by Weekender |
There no such thing as clean break brexit |
Farage uses the term, so it must be true? | |
| Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing. | | Poll: | Raining in IP8 - shall I get the washing in? |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:47 - Oct 3 with 3201 views | Weekender |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:46 - Oct 3 by artsbossbeard |
Farage uses the term, so it must be true? |
Ah sorry forgot! | |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:54 - Oct 3 with 3181 views | Bluefish |
First up is queues at ports followed by rising prices within weeks. Some shortages at shops in the 1st month increasing after 3 months. Medicine shortages not kick in until 6 months.
Expect horrendous celebrations by leave voters that progress to some of them turning on eu and non EU immigrants asking why they are still here |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:09 - Oct 3 with 3146 views | Swansea_Blue |
Depends how much progress the UK government / EU have made on retaining existing reciprocal arrangements by then.
1. Anyone who has anything to do with the EU will be impacted in any number of different ways. There’ll be thousands of impacts from small to large, depending on the nature of their interactions with EU entities. No impacts I’ve come across are positive.
2. Immediately (unless covered by aforementioned reciprocal arrangements).
Can’t be distilled into a bite sized chunk. Each issue from the very, very many this covers could easily fill a long thread on their own. |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:13 - Oct 3 with 3127 views | Bluefish |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:54 - Oct 3 by Bluefish |
First up is queues at ports followed by rising prices within weeks. Some shortages at shops in the 1st month increasing after 3 months. Medicine shortages not kick in until 6 months.
Expect horrendous celebrations by leave voters that progress to some of them turning on eu and non EU immigrants asking why they are still here |
Forgot to progress to the mass redundancies related to closures of business because of rising costs, hold ups in the supply chain and business going abroad. Hopefully this will only impact leave voters | |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:22 - Oct 3 with 3098 views | EdwardStone |
A positive...
52% decline in the numbers of people seeking hospital treatment, y'know...the ones who are sick of experts
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:26 - Oct 3 with 3068 views | Girthyguy |
Positives : None
Negatives : slow painful death. |  | | |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:31 - Oct 3 with 3052 views | factual_blue |
The whole thing would look like a plate of eggs cooked by J2.
You would notice the impacts when a gang of vigilantes shouting 'balls' come and round you up for post-brexit 're-education'. |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:32 - Oct 3 with 3059 views | Steve_M |
Positives:
- Short-term electoral boost for Johnson.
- 'Adequate food',
- The opportunity to import US food standards.
Negatives:
- Long delays at ports,
- Restricted food imports,
- Medicine shortages,
- Collapse of manufacturing supply chains. |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:38 - Oct 3 with 3044 views | artsbossbeard |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:32 - Oct 3 by Steve_M |
Positives:
- Short-term electoral boost for Johnson.
- 'Adequate food',
- The opportunity to import US food standards.
Negatives:
- Long delays at ports,
- Restricted food imports,
- Medicine shortages,
- Collapse of manufacturing supply chains. |
Are you suggesting that a lack of medicines and the opportunity to freely trade with the US would give Trump the reach into the NHS that he's mentioned a few time previously?
I can only hope that this doesn't extend to opioid pain meds being favoured by "financially influenced" GPs, if so. | |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:42 - Oct 3 with 3016 views | blueislander |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:32 - Oct 3 by Steve_M |
Positives:
- Short-term electoral boost for Johnson.
- 'Adequate food',
- The opportunity to import US food standards.
Negatives:
- Long delays at ports,
- Restricted food imports,
- Medicine shortages,
- Collapse of manufacturing supply chains. |
Chlorinated chicken - Yippee. | | | |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:43 - Oct 3 with 3011 views | factual_blue |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:22 - Oct 3 by EdwardStone |
A positive...
52% decline in the numbers of people seeking hospital treatment, y'know...the ones who are sick of experts
( Copyright, Blue Badger 2019) |
Does that include or exclude all the diabetics willing to forego their insulin to ensure brexit? | |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 10:06 - Oct 3 with 2952 views | Churchman |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:09 - Oct 3 by Swansea_Blue |
Depends how much progress the UK government / EU have made on retaining existing reciprocal arrangements by then.
1. Anyone who has anything to do with the EU will be impacted in any number of different ways. There’ll be thousands of impacts from small to large, depending on the nature of their interactions with EU entities. No impacts I’ve come across are positive.
2. Immediately (unless covered by aforementioned reciprocal arrangements).
Can’t be distilled into a bite sized chunk. Each issue from the very, very many this covers could easily fill a long thread on their own. |
I agree with this and like you I see no positive impacts. In terms of damage limitation, many of the reciprocal arrangements will be sorted and actually were 6 months ago.
However, there are plenty of ‘unknowns’, not least how difficult the member states wish to make things. Overall, If I was to guess in terms of people impact, I think there will be a big hike in prices of everything and a spike in unemployment. In terms of shortages, certain fresh foods (e.g. tomatoes), not least because businesses in places like Holland will not send to sell in the UK in the short term for fear of it rotting on a lorry outside a port. It is easier to sell in Europe at a reduced profit. I believe this is already happening.
In the longer term, I think prices will fall again as the market adjusts (supply and demand) and the UKs pattern of trade alters (trade with the EU in relation to the RoW was already falling). The danger is sucking in low quality imports from the RoW. Without control in addition to any public health risk this is particular threat to the farming industry.
Overall I think the political impact will be the biggest change, not least the break up of the UK (which was always going to happen eventually from the moment Blair went down the devolution route).
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 10:28 - Oct 3 with 2927 views | Guthrum |
Probably even before it the day itself, there is a chance of supermarket shelves being emptied by a wave of panic buying as people "stock up, just in case". This will produce exactly the effect they are trying to avoid, with any stockpiles quickly used up and massive strain on "just in time" supply networks with additional red tape delays at borders.
The Government (if their recent levels of analysis, preparation and planning are anything to go by) will flounder, bluster and blame it on sabotage by Remainers. At best they might beggar the country by flying in emergency supplies at great expense. At worst there will be riots and a State of Emergency (which won't even, in reality, allow them the powers they crave to circumvent a hostile Parliament).
If you think this scenario unlikely, consider the Gloucestershire Water Panic of 2007. Exceedingly heavy rain at the end of July caused widespread flooding in the valleys of the Severn and Avon rivers, where the town of Tewkesbury was inundated, putting out of action the Mythe waterworks and cutting off mains supplies to a large area. The authorities moved fast and soon well-supplied water bowsers were on street corners. Deliveries of bottled water were organised for the vulnerable.
Notwithstanding the effective plans, within a matter of a couple of hours, supermarkets had been swept clean of every variety of bottled water, with people fighting over the last few in car parks. Largely unnecessary - there were people with crates of bottled water stacked unopened in sheds and garages for years afterwards. But it completely broke the supply network.
Also think of any fuel shortage ever, with the queues and panic buying which inevitably ensues. |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 11:22 - Oct 3 with 2826 views | Steve_M |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 10:28 - Oct 3 by Guthrum |
Probably even before it the day itself, there is a chance of supermarket shelves being emptied by a wave of panic buying as people "stock up, just in case". This will produce exactly the effect they are trying to avoid, with any stockpiles quickly used up and massive strain on "just in time" supply networks with additional red tape delays at borders.
The Government (if their recent levels of analysis, preparation and planning are anything to go by) will flounder, bluster and blame it on sabotage by Remainers. At best they might beggar the country by flying in emergency supplies at great expense. At worst there will be riots and a State of Emergency (which won't even, in reality, allow them the powers they crave to circumvent a hostile Parliament).
If you think this scenario unlikely, consider the Gloucestershire Water Panic of 2007. Exceedingly heavy rain at the end of July caused widespread flooding in the valleys of the Severn and Avon rivers, where the town of Tewkesbury was inundated, putting out of action the Mythe waterworks and cutting off mains supplies to a large area. The authorities moved fast and soon well-supplied water bowsers were on street corners. Deliveries of bottled water were organised for the vulnerable.
Notwithstanding the effective plans, within a matter of a couple of hours, supermarkets had been swept clean of every variety of bottled water, with people fighting over the last few in car parks. Largely unnecessary - there were people with crates of bottled water stacked unopened in sheds and garages for years afterwards. But it completely broke the supply network.
Also think of any fuel shortage ever, with the queues and panic buying which inevitably ensues. |
And not forgetting the time KFC ran out of chicken. | |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 11:22 - Oct 3 with 2827 views | Pinewoodblue |
UK nationals effectively living in France but coming back home now regular basis GP, Dentist pick up prescriptions etc suddenly finding themselves refused entry into France as no visa. You can only spend 90 days in any 180 in Shengen zone without a visa. An American friend has just returned home after five months iin Europe, he was refused visa as didn't have a permanent residence in USA so had to spend eight weeks in UK/ Ireland and Romania.
He caught ferry from Ireland intending to travel down through France as he was returning to States on a repositioning cruise from Barcelona. He feared he wouldn't be let into France as they questioned him about his intentions. | |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 11:40 - Oct 3 with 2775 views | linhdi |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 08:54 - Oct 3 by Bluefish |
First up is queues at ports followed by rising prices within weeks. Some shortages at shops in the 1st month increasing after 3 months. Medicine shortages not kick in until 6 months.
Expect horrendous celebrations by leave voters that progress to some of them turning on eu and non EU immigrants asking why they are still here |
Queues at ports will begin within hours, once border checks begin. Shortage of fresh foods within a week (Any "fresh foods" still available will have been stockpiled so not fresh). Shortages of some longer-life products within a couple of weeks.
Within weeks, a shortage of UK-made foods that use imported elements.
If there are any rumours of shortages, then panic buying will create the shortage within hours.
Manufacturing: any using just-in-time processes will close temporarily, e.g. motor industry (already announced). If chaos persists, as govt's own studies predict, then expect them quickly to decide to relocate out of UK. Impact will be limited by a collapse in demand from public.
Longer term, we will need to agree with EU re Irish border, citizens rights and payment of outstanding debts before they'll even think of talking trade.
Hope NHS has stockpiled enough bandages to dress the wounds from UK collectively having shot ourselves in both feet. | | | |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 12:46 - Oct 3 with 2673 views | Churchman |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 10:28 - Oct 3 by Guthrum |
Probably even before it the day itself, there is a chance of supermarket shelves being emptied by a wave of panic buying as people "stock up, just in case". This will produce exactly the effect they are trying to avoid, with any stockpiles quickly used up and massive strain on "just in time" supply networks with additional red tape delays at borders.
The Government (if their recent levels of analysis, preparation and planning are anything to go by) will flounder, bluster and blame it on sabotage by Remainers. At best they might beggar the country by flying in emergency supplies at great expense. At worst there will be riots and a State of Emergency (which won't even, in reality, allow them the powers they crave to circumvent a hostile Parliament).
If you think this scenario unlikely, consider the Gloucestershire Water Panic of 2007. Exceedingly heavy rain at the end of July caused widespread flooding in the valleys of the Severn and Avon rivers, where the town of Tewkesbury was inundated, putting out of action the Mythe waterworks and cutting off mains supplies to a large area. The authorities moved fast and soon well-supplied water bowsers were on street corners. Deliveries of bottled water were organised for the vulnerable.
Notwithstanding the effective plans, within a matter of a couple of hours, supermarkets had been swept clean of every variety of bottled water, with people fighting over the last few in car parks. Largely unnecessary - there were people with crates of bottled water stacked unopened in sheds and garages for years afterwards. But it completely broke the supply network.
Also think of any fuel shortage ever, with the queues and panic buying which inevitably ensues. |
I agree with most of this. In fact fuel shortage maybe one of the biggest problems, as people will certainly panic buy that - and rightly so, given supplies are at risk. It is also a massive security risk, not least because the police, thanks to massive cuts and erosion of their mandate to do anything, don’t have the capacity to deal with civil disorder, crime at the ports and the inevitable wave of crime from abroad all at the same time.
In terms of preparation, it was always going to be ‘sub-optimal’ to use the dreadful phrase used by senior civil servants and politicians because you are putting the boot into much of how your economy actually works, but the work that’s gone into preparation is far more extensive than is publicly known. Will it be enough? I don’t know.
What I do know is that it is utterly insane for politicians to take us down this unnecessary road. Only real idiots would threaten it let alone do it. Thank goodness we have BJ and the ERG at the helm .....oh😱! | | | |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 12:47 - Oct 3 with 2678 views | itfcjoe |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 10:28 - Oct 3 by Guthrum |
Probably even before it the day itself, there is a chance of supermarket shelves being emptied by a wave of panic buying as people "stock up, just in case". This will produce exactly the effect they are trying to avoid, with any stockpiles quickly used up and massive strain on "just in time" supply networks with additional red tape delays at borders.
The Government (if their recent levels of analysis, preparation and planning are anything to go by) will flounder, bluster and blame it on sabotage by Remainers. At best they might beggar the country by flying in emergency supplies at great expense. At worst there will be riots and a State of Emergency (which won't even, in reality, allow them the powers they crave to circumvent a hostile Parliament).
If you think this scenario unlikely, consider the Gloucestershire Water Panic of 2007. Exceedingly heavy rain at the end of July caused widespread flooding in the valleys of the Severn and Avon rivers, where the town of Tewkesbury was inundated, putting out of action the Mythe waterworks and cutting off mains supplies to a large area. The authorities moved fast and soon well-supplied water bowsers were on street corners. Deliveries of bottled water were organised for the vulnerable.
Notwithstanding the effective plans, within a matter of a couple of hours, supermarkets had been swept clean of every variety of bottled water, with people fighting over the last few in car parks. Largely unnecessary - there were people with crates of bottled water stacked unopened in sheds and garages for years afterwards. But it completely broke the supply network.
Also think of any fuel shortage ever, with the queues and panic buying which inevitably ensues. |
I used to work at Tescos, it was open every day of the year bar Easter Sunday and then Christmas/Boxing Day
The shelves were emptied on Xmas Eve because people panicked they would need something and not be able to get it - it was ludicrous,people would buy 4kg of butter 'just in case'.
And I know it is a little bit ridiculous, but people were phoning the police when KFC ran out of chicken and had a supply issue.There is a population here that has never suffered genuine war time hardship, of limited supplies of major services and supplies. People still talk about electricity strikes and bins not being collected 40 years ago.
Supply chains are going to be crippled and that will bring a lot down with it in the short term, things will inevitably sort themselves out and the Govt will just chuck money at the problems in the short term so Brexit can be labelled a success
Had they spent the last 3 years chucking that money at public services we'd be in a far better place without the reality that our GDP is taking a severe hit |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 12:56 - Oct 3 with 2648 views | Darth_Koont |
1. A spike in racially aggravated hate crime
2. Within hours for many people
There will of course be massive economic and trade upheaval but for the ensuing days, weeks these will be dismissed as the UK "adapting to the full size and range of its new opportunities". |  |
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| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 13:03 - Oct 3 with 2631 views | Churchman |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 12:47 - Oct 3 by itfcjoe |
I used to work at Tescos, it was open every day of the year bar Easter Sunday and then Christmas/Boxing Day
The shelves were emptied on Xmas Eve because people panicked they would need something and not be able to get it - it was ludicrous,people would buy 4kg of butter 'just in case'.
And I know it is a little bit ridiculous, but people were phoning the police when KFC ran out of chicken and had a supply issue.There is a population here that has never suffered genuine war time hardship, of limited supplies of major services and supplies. People still talk about electricity strikes and bins not being collected 40 years ago.
Supply chains are going to be crippled and that will bring a lot down with it in the short term, things will inevitably sort themselves out and the Govt will just chuck money at the problems in the short term so Brexit can be labelled a success
Had they spent the last 3 years chucking that money at public services we'd be in a far better place without the reality that our GDP is taking a severe hit |
Your last paragraph is absolutely spot on. The last figure I saw was £4bn but I believe it is way greater than that now. This included employment of additional civil servants, contractors, specialists and project people, building or upgrading IT systems, contingency planning, buying up of land and warehousing etc etc. There is also a hidden cost in postponed and shelved projects through project resource being redirected to Brexit. Add on flattened GDP and it is all a funny way to ‘take back control’ | | | |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 18:41 - Oct 3 with 2473 views | BlueBadger |
| Clean Break Brexit 31/10/2019 - A question or two on 09:32 - Oct 3 by Steve_M |
Positives:
- Short-term electoral boost for Johnson.
- 'Adequate food',
- The opportunity to import US food standards.
Negatives:
- Long delays at ports,
- Restricted food imports,
- Medicine shortages,
- Collapse of manufacturing supply chains. |
You forgot to mention 'blue passports'(Made in France), 'no forriners anymore' and 'no more PC health and safety'((C)Local Pub Bores and enthusiastic golfers everywhere). |  |
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