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Children of the Troubles 12:12 - Oct 6 with 1073 viewsMoriarty

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/culture/books/children-of-the-tr

A book for Boris.


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Children of the Troubles on 12:17 - Oct 6 with 788 viewsFtnfwest

and Blair
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Children of the Troubles on 12:20 - Oct 6 with 792 viewsBlueBadger

Children of the Troubles on 12:17 - Oct 6 by Ftnfwest

and Blair


..who can feel justifiably proud as he did a lot to help end them?
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These people are called idiots and BB is their leader.
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Children of the Troubles on 12:23 - Oct 6 with 784 viewsFtnfwest

Children of the Troubles on 12:20 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger

..who can feel justifiably proud as he did a lot to help end them?
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By letting the people who committed these atrocities go free
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Children of the Troubles on 12:54 - Oct 6 with 751 viewsMoriarty

Children of the Troubles on 12:23 - Oct 6 by Ftnfwest

By letting the people who committed these atrocities go free


Including the loyalist murderers and those who assisted them?

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Children of the Troubles on 12:58 - Oct 6 with 743 viewsfactual_blue

Children of the Troubles on 12:54 - Oct 6 by Moriarty

Including the loyalist murderers and those who assisted them?


theresa may gave them one billion pounds.

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Children of the Troubles on 12:58 - Oct 6 with 742 viewsFtnfwest

Children of the Troubles on 12:54 - Oct 6 by Moriarty

Including the loyalist murderers and those who assisted them?


Absolutely, isn’t that what the article is primarily about?
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Children of the Troubles on 13:02 - Oct 6 with 741 viewsfactual_blue

Children of the Troubles on 12:23 - Oct 6 by Ftnfwest

By letting the people who committed these atrocities go free


And of course nobody was ever brought to book for the Croke Park massacre. And in fact when an Irish MP tried to raise the case in the Commons, he was physically assaulted by tory MPs.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:07 - Oct 6 with 753 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

The Irish should grow up.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:09 - Oct 6 with 733 viewsMoriarty

Children of the Troubles on 12:58 - Oct 6 by Ftnfwest

Absolutely, isn’t that what the article is primarily about?


It’s about the children who died during the troubles. Duffy also wrote about the children who died during the 1916 rising in Ireland, one of the first being on infant who died in its pram from a British bullet.

When Boris visited Dublin, it was put to him that there was a sense here that he had no understanding of the North or the troubles.

A book like this can highlight the importance of the Good Friday Agreement without intending to take sides.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:14 - Oct 6 with 727 viewsfactual_blue

Children of the Troubles on 13:07 - Oct 6 by Marshalls_Mullet

The Irish should grow up.


And the English should learn how terribly they treated the Irish for hundreds of years.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:15 - Oct 6 with 719 viewsBlueBadger

Children of the Troubles on 12:54 - Oct 6 by Moriarty

Including the loyalist murderers and those who assisted them?


And the military and police personnel resposible for acts such as Bloody Sunday, etc?

These people are called idiots and BB is their leader.
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Children of the Troubles on 13:18 - Oct 6 with 724 viewsMoriarty

Children of the Troubles on 13:07 - Oct 6 by Marshalls_Mullet

The Irish should grow up.


One of the most offensive and idiotic comments I’ve read on this forum in 15 years or so, given its context.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:22 - Oct 6 with 706 viewsMoriarty

Children of the Troubles on 13:15 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger

And the military and police personnel resposible for acts such as Bloody Sunday, etc?


I would have thought they were the ones assisting the loyalist murderers (UDA etc).

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Children of the Troubles on 13:25 - Oct 6 with 701 viewsFtnfwest

Children of the Troubles on 13:02 - Oct 6 by factual_blue

And of course nobody was ever brought to book for the Croke Park massacre. And in fact when an Irish MP tried to raise the case in the Commons, he was physically assaulted by tory MPs.


Yes even I would struggle to pin that one on Blair. Which is why I haven’t
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Children of the Troubles on 13:26 - Oct 6 with 699 viewsfactual_blue

Children of the Troubles on 13:25 - Oct 6 by Ftnfwest

Yes even I would struggle to pin that one on Blair. Which is why I haven’t


You could have pointed out he did nothing to try to stop it.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:27 - Oct 6 with 702 viewsMoriarty

Children of the Troubles on 13:14 - Oct 6 by factual_blue

And the English should learn how terribly they treated the Irish for hundreds of years.


Out of interest, have you ever heard de Valera’s reply to Churchill after his “we stood alone” comments? They’re useful at times! 😇.

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oh dear (n/t) on 13:28 - Oct 6 with 690 viewsDyland

Children of the Troubles on 13:07 - Oct 6 by Marshalls_Mullet

The Irish should grow up.



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Children of the Troubles on 13:33 - Oct 6 with 686 viewsfactual_blue

Children of the Troubles on 13:27 - Oct 6 by Moriarty

Out of interest, have you ever heard de Valera’s reply to Churchill after his “we stood alone” comments? They’re useful at times! 😇.


Churchill of course was another tory who didn't understand Ireland. Ironic given that the epithet 'tory' is Irish in origin.

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Children of the Troubles on 13:40 - Oct 6 with 674 viewsMoriarty

Children of the Troubles on 13:33 - Oct 6 by factual_blue

Churchill of course was another tory who didn't understand Ireland. Ironic given that the epithet 'tory' is Irish in origin.


Indeed. He was involved in the Treaty negotiations. I think you’d enjoy Dev’s dignified reply to him (we stood alone for 700 years).

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Children of the Troubles on 13:41 - Oct 6 with 665 viewsBlueBadger

Children of the Troubles on 13:07 - Oct 6 by Marshalls_Mullet

The Irish should grow up.


Oh man, that was so edgy, I cut my fingers clicking to reply.

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Children of the Troubles on 14:20 - Oct 6 with 638 viewsfactual_blue

Children of the Troubles on 13:40 - Oct 6 by Moriarty

Indeed. He was involved in the Treaty negotiations. I think you’d enjoy Dev’s dignified reply to him (we stood alone for 700 years).


Yes - I've read it. During most of those seven hundred years they were, sadly, not so much standing alone, but on the floor with an English boot on their throats.

After WW2 Churchill, presumably recalling how Gallipoli had almost destroyed his political career, said he was immediately going to write a history of WW2. He said something along the lines that history would be the judge, and he intended to write the history.

Too many people accept his account unquestioningly.

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Children of the Troubles on 14:48 - Oct 6 with 611 viewsjaykay

Children of the Troubles on 13:07 - Oct 6 by Marshalls_Mullet

The Irish should grow up.


stick to football.
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Children of the Troubles on 15:52 - Oct 6 with 569 viewssolemio

Children of the Troubles on 12:20 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger

..who can feel justifiably proud as he did a lot to help end them?
[Post edited 6 Oct 12:20]


The vast majority of this work was actually done by John Major, but Blair was very happy to take most of the credit.
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Children of the Troubles on 16:29 - Oct 6 with 547 viewsGaryCooper

Children of the Troubles on 13:14 - Oct 6 by factual_blue

And the English should learn how terribly they treated the Irish for hundreds of years.


Nah we done ok out of the whole thing, stop feeling guilty for something you had no influence over, us Irish just got on with it and built your country.
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Children of the Troubles on 16:39 - Oct 6 with 531 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

Children of the Troubles on 13:18 - Oct 6 by Moriarty

One of the most offensive and idiotic comments I’ve read on this forum in 15 years or so, given its context.


I'm just a pacifist, I'm not one for unnecessary violence.

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