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Paul Hurst footballing genius 15:54 - Oct 6 with 3438 viewsBackToRussia

Seems as though he didn't rate Daniel James either.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:01 - Oct 6 with 3061 viewsTheBoyBlue

Although to be fair Shrewsbury coped OK without him. And Daniel James has only appeared to blossomed relatively recently.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:19 - Oct 6 with 3023 viewspennblue

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:01 - Oct 6 by TheBoyBlue

Although to be fair Shrewsbury coped OK without him. And Daniel James has only appeared to blossomed relatively recently.


If you accept that Hurst never had the budget to compete properly in the Championship, it could be argued, that his purchases were ok.
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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:22 - Oct 6 with 2995 viewsDubtractor

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:19 - Oct 6 by pennblue

If you accept that Hurst never had the budget to compete properly in the Championship, it could be argued, that his purchases were ok.
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No it couldn't.

He had a more generous budget than McCarthy and used it far less well.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:26 - Oct 6 with 2962 viewsTheBoyBlue

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:19 - Oct 6 by pennblue

If you accept that Hurst never had the budget to compete properly in the Championship, it could be argued, that his purchases were ok.
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Ironically his purchases are serving us well this season now we're a division below.

If he'd supplemented his purchases (either by buying some in or keeping hold of Waghorn and/or Webster - though I appreciate that may have been out of his hands) with some more experience we'd have had a decent team.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:32 - Oct 6 with 2917 viewsBlueBadger

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:19 - Oct 6 by pennblue

If you accept that Hurst never had the budget to compete properly in the Championship, it could be argued, that his purchases were ok.
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The only Town manager to use a budget less wisely than Hurst was Keane.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:07 - Oct 6 with 2695 viewsbraveblue

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:22 - Oct 6 by Dubtractor

No it couldn't.

He had a more generous budget than McCarthy and used it far less well.


During his first transfer window we made about £5m net. Not much of a budget!!

Not a fan of Hurst but we need to be fair. Some of his incoming transfers are starting to look good.
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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:12 - Oct 6 with 2676 viewsMullet

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:26 - Oct 6 by TheBoyBlue

Ironically his purchases are serving us well this season now we're a division below.

If he'd supplemented his purchases (either by buying some in or keeping hold of Waghorn and/or Webster - though I appreciate that may have been out of his hands) with some more experience we'd have had a decent team.


Hmmmmm

Donacien, Toto, Edwards, Nolan, Jackson probably sit in order of usefulness. Imagine how useful they'd be had he utilised Nydam and Dozzell correctly, let alone not sold off anyone worth more than a bag of Maltesers for small change and a chance to buy someone for 8 times their value.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:14 - Oct 6 with 2668 viewsDubtractor

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:07 - Oct 6 by braveblue

During his first transfer window we made about £5m net. Not much of a budget!!

Not a fan of Hurst but we need to be fair. Some of his incoming transfers are starting to look good.


I'm only interested in his transfers in in this context, for quite a lot of money (by our standards) he bought:

Nolan
Edwards
Nsiala
Donacien
Harrison
Jackson

Plus Roberts on a free and a host of mostly ineffective loads.

Of that lot Nolan and Jackson have started looking decent, the rest were miles short of championship standard.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:32 - Oct 6 with 2608 viewsMelford

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:32 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger

The only Town manager to use a budget less wisely than Hurst was Keane.


Whenever a manager of ours has money to spend it generally goes tits up. Burley didn't spend well, neither did Jim when Marcus gave him bundles of cash when he first came in, Keane was by far the worst though. This bit of Wikipedia sums it up

Martin joined Ipswich Town on 6 July 2009 for an undisclosed fee thought to be around £1.5 million, signing a four-year contract with the club managed by former Manchester United captain Roy Keane

Martin was one of eight players made available for transfer by manager Roy Keane at the end of the 2009–10 season.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 22:37 - Oct 6 with 2466 viewswkj

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:07 - Oct 6 by braveblue

During his first transfer window we made about £5m net. Not much of a budget!!

Not a fan of Hurst but we need to be fair. Some of his incoming transfers are starting to look good.


His signings look good at this level, and they might improve to championship quality, but we were a team trying to grow out of mid table championship finishes, none of the players were good enough for that. The fact he let KVY slip through the cracks, yet he seems more likely to succeed in the Championship than any of Hursts signings speak volumes.

While his signings might eventually come good, it was simply poor vision on his part to expect them to make an immediate impact, which is what they were signed to do.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 23:41 - Oct 6 with 2346 viewsBlueBadger

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:32 - Oct 6 by Melford

Whenever a manager of ours has money to spend it generally goes tits up. Burley didn't spend well, neither did Jim when Marcus gave him bundles of cash when he first came in, Keane was by far the worst though. This bit of Wikipedia sums it up

Martin joined Ipswich Town on 6 July 2009 for an undisclosed fee thought to be around £1.5 million, signing a four-year contract with the club managed by former Manchester United captain Roy Keane

Martin was one of eight players made available for transfer by manager Roy Keane at the end of the 2009–10 season.


I've said this before and I'll say it again. If there's one player who epitomises the lack of direction, supervision and attention detail of the ME era, it's Martin.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 23:45 - Oct 6 with 2328 viewsBlueBadger

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:07 - Oct 6 by braveblue

During his first transfer window we made about £5m net. Not much of a budget!!

Not a fan of Hurst but we need to be fair. Some of his incoming transfers are starting to look good.


'some of his transfers are starting to look good' isn't really the endorsement you think it is.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 09:13 - Oct 7 with 2005 viewsStadiumofdark

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 23:45 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger

'some of his transfers are starting to look good' isn't really the endorsement you think it is.


He was trying to assemble a team that could have a good push for promotion from league 1.... the problem was obvious....
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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 09:19 - Oct 7 with 1989 viewsMrTown

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:19 - Oct 6 by pennblue

If you accept that Hurst never had the budget to compete properly in the Championship, it could be argued, that his purchases were ok.
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That falls at the first hurdle when he bought Donancien for 750k instead of KVY for a compensation fee

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 09:43 - Oct 7 with 1945 viewsPJH

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 23:45 - Oct 6 by BlueBadger

'some of his transfers are starting to look good' isn't really the endorsement you think it is.


I think that they should be looking good now because they were and are good(ish) lower league players.
The problems last season were firstly that that was all they were and secondly there was too many of them.
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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 13:04 - Oct 7 with 1715 viewsDefault_User

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 19:19 - Oct 6 by pennblue

If you accept that Hurst never had the budget to compete properly in the Championship, it could be argued, that his purchases were ok.
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Disagree with that. Hurst wasted loads on players we didn't need who simply blocked the path to the first team for our yoots.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 13:22 - Oct 7 with 1636 viewshoppy

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 09:43 - Oct 7 by PJH

I think that they should be looking good now because they were and are good(ish) lower league players.
The problems last season were firstly that that was all they were and secondly there was too many of them.


But more importantly, at that point, we weren't a League One team ourselves, so he was assembling a team for League One, when it should've been putting together a Championship team...

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 13:44 - Oct 7 with 1580 viewsMalcolmBlue

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:14 - Oct 6 by Dubtractor

I'm only interested in his transfers in in this context, for quite a lot of money (by our standards) he bought:

Nolan
Edwards
Nsiala
Donacien
Harrison
Jackson

Plus Roberts on a free and a host of mostly ineffective loads.

Of that lot Nolan and Jackson have started looking decent, the rest were miles short of championship standard.


I'm sure when Toto is up to match fitness he'll be in that category too, every time he played last season he seemed to get better and better and I don't think I've seen him miss a header.

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 13:46 - Oct 7 with 1569 viewsPJH

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 13:22 - Oct 7 by hoppy

But more importantly, at that point, we weren't a League One team ourselves, so he was assembling a team for League One, when it should've been putting together a Championship team...


Yep, what was needed was a bit of building on what we already had along with keeping what we already had.
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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 14:01 - Oct 7 with 1534 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 21:07 - Oct 6 by braveblue

During his first transfer window we made about £5m net. Not much of a budget!!

Not a fan of Hurst but we need to be fair. Some of his incoming transfers are starting to look good.


If you view them individually in a bubble then maybe, but in one swoop he decimated a Championship core and relaxed them with a number of players who were not of the same quality, ending with us being relegated rock bottom of the table

In no way is his business starting to look ‘good’

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Paul Hurst footballing genius on 14:49 - Oct 7 with 1456 viewsBlueBadger

Paul Hurst footballing genius on 13:44 - Oct 7 by MalcolmBlue

I'm sure when Toto is up to match fitness he'll be in that category too, every time he played last season he seemed to get better and better and I don't think I've seen him miss a header.


...loose balls, tackles and runners however....

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