| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? 15:13 - Oct 7 with 16401 views | BrixtonBlue |
Presumably if you were able to measure the brainwaves of babies in the womb, you'd see that they are conscious of their surroundings, and this develops over time and through parental, peer and societal influences.
But at what point am I thinking/conscious?
And why am *I* having this consciousness? Why did *I* (whatever *I* is) come to be inside this particular human that you all know and love?
I'm a bit busy today so I'll be back later to see how you're doing. |  |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:23 - Oct 12 with 1773 views | StokieBlue |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:21 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
Oh you are a fool at times.... |
To be fair I agree with him - perhaps give it another go?
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:26 - Oct 12 with 1777 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:21 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
Oh you are a fool at times.... |
Nope. It was just a word salad. |  |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:39 - Oct 12 with 1766 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:26 - Oct 12 by sparks |
Nope. It was just a word salad. |
Salad is made with vegetables. Although vegetable is sometimes used to describe people who are comatose. But to so might seem insulting, much like using the term 'word salad' when you encounter something you do not understand.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/02/when-did-we-start-describing-comatos
However, the person who does not make a fool of themselves some of the time has yet to be born. It can be painful but also worthwhile to reflect upon that. |  |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:41 - Oct 12 with 1764 views | Ryorry |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:00 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
So if there is no agency how can an entity decide? Ah, I have considered (!) it as a matter of decision and not as some form of binary (perhaps) optimisation in which the strongest force wins (!!) out. But why is the strongest force the strongest force?
Something must have decided (!!!) that in the first place. Otherwise nothing would ever happen. Or if it did there would be nothing to stop things just fizzling out anyway. Which could destroy entropy. And that would be against the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Not that there would be anything around to enforce that law... |
"...there would be nothing to stop things just fizzling out anyway."
This gets back to my point of how come reproduction? It's a pretty weird thing when you think about it - I mean plants dropping seeds, or drooping branches into the ground which then form new plants etc, I can understand - but 2 animals mating? How & from where did the drive for that come from? (don't worry, I don't expect you personally to be able to answer! just leaving it hanging out there). |  |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:44 - Oct 12 with 1762 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:39 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
Salad is made with vegetables. Although vegetable is sometimes used to describe people who are comatose. But to so might seem insulting, much like using the term 'word salad' when you encounter something you do not understand.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2010/02/when-did-we-start-describing-comatos
However, the person who does not make a fool of themselves some of the time has yet to be born. It can be painful but also worthwhile to reflect upon that. |
Are you okay? | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:49 - Oct 12 with 1753 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:44 - Oct 12 by sparks |
Are you okay? |
I'm fine, you? | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:52 - Oct 12 with 1751 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:49 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
I'm fine, you? |
Just concerned for you - as you appear to be a little erratic and incoherent this morning. Glad to hear that all is well. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:59 - Oct 12 with 1748 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 10:41 - Oct 12 by Ryorry |
"...there would be nothing to stop things just fizzling out anyway."
This gets back to my point of how come reproduction? It's a pretty weird thing when you think about it - I mean plants dropping seeds, or drooping branches into the ground which then form new plants etc, I can understand - but 2 animals mating? How & from where did the drive for that come from? (don't worry, I don't expect you personally to be able to answer! just leaving it hanging out there). |
It's one of my flippant proofs for either God not existing or, if he does, being some kind of creepy sadist. Giving us sexual organs that are far from a conventional ideal of beauty, but making us get all hot and bothered about them anyway. Then surrounding the whole business with more angst, frustration, crossed wires and opportunities to go awry than you would have thought possible. Yet it is still the most enjoyable (when done right) thing we can do. Yet requires women to be subjected to menstruation.
And muddlesome as that it is it still compares well to the human digestion system. Now that really is a winning argument against the case for intelligent design. | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:04 - Oct 12 with 1743 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:52 - Oct 12 by sparks |
Just concerned for you - as you appear to be a little erratic and incoherent this morning. Glad to hear that all is well. |
I think you are the one who should be looking in the mirror and wondering why discussions that have been had many thousands of times are not making sense to you. | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:04 - Oct 12 with 1743 views | footers |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:59 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
It's one of my flippant proofs for either God not existing or, if he does, being some kind of creepy sadist. Giving us sexual organs that are far from a conventional ideal of beauty, but making us get all hot and bothered about them anyway. Then surrounding the whole business with more angst, frustration, crossed wires and opportunities to go awry than you would have thought possible. Yet it is still the most enjoyable (when done right) thing we can do. Yet requires women to be subjected to menstruation.
And muddlesome as that it is it still compares well to the human digestion system. Now that really is a winning argument against the case for intelligent design. |
Zombies... organs... it's all falling into place now. You are Rod Argent and I claim my five pounds. |  |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:09 - Oct 12 with 1736 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:04 - Oct 12 by footers |
Zombies... organs... it's all falling into place now. You are Rod Argent and I claim my five pounds. |
For the umpteenth time I am not Rod Argent. If I was then I would understand ericclacton when he talks about musical terminology. And I am not actually a zombie either... | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:15 - Oct 12 with 1732 views | footers |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:09 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
For the umpteenth time I am not Rod Argent. If I was then I would understand ericclacton when he talks about musical terminology. And I am not actually a zombie either... |
That's a more practical challenge for the TWTD science boffs... I'll put up a fiver as a prize for whoever can work out what's going on (or not) in ericclacton's dome.
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:18 - Oct 12 with 1730 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:15 - Oct 12 by footers |
That's a more practical challenge for the TWTD science boffs... I'll put up a fiver as a prize for whoever can work out what's going on (or not) in ericclacton's dome.
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Ah, now we are back to Descartes and the problem of other minds... | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:25 - Oct 12 with 1723 views | tabletopjoe |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 11:59 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
It's one of my flippant proofs for either God not existing or, if he does, being some kind of creepy sadist. Giving us sexual organs that are far from a conventional ideal of beauty, but making us get all hot and bothered about them anyway. Then surrounding the whole business with more angst, frustration, crossed wires and opportunities to go awry than you would have thought possible. Yet it is still the most enjoyable (when done right) thing we can do. Yet requires women to be subjected to menstruation.
And muddlesome as that it is it still compares well to the human digestion system. Now that really is a winning argument against the case for intelligent design. |
If it all made perfect sense to us, then why would we ever take the trouble to seek out and find Him? |  |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:46 - Oct 12 with 1709 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:04 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
I think you are the one who should be looking in the mirror and wondering why discussions that have been had many thousands of times are not making sense to you. |
Not really. I am well aware of the level of my ability to understand things and to tell gobbledigook from sophistication. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:47 - Oct 12 with 1707 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:25 - Oct 12 by tabletopjoe |
If it all made perfect sense to us, then why would we ever take the trouble to seek out and find Him? |
Perhaps flip that on its head. If he wanted us to "find him" why would he hide? | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:48 - Oct 12 with 1704 views | Ryorry |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:25 - Oct 12 by tabletopjoe |
If it all made perfect sense to us, then why would we ever take the trouble to seek out and find Him? |
By "Him" you mean "Her" really, don't you ... 
Given "Mother Nature" ...
Just sayin'  | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:52 - Oct 12 with 1700 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:48 - Oct 12 by Ryorry |
By "Him" you mean "Her" really, don't you ...
Given "Mother Nature" ...
Just sayin' |
Nope. I mean him.
Because that is the entity which is being claimed. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:55 - Oct 12 with 1695 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:46 - Oct 12 by sparks |
Not really. I am well aware of the level of my ability to understand things and to tell gobbledigook from sophistication. |
Are you aware what sophistry is? | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:55 - Oct 12 with 1693 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:55 - Oct 12 by WeWereZombies |
Are you aware what sophistry is? |
Yes, thank you. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
(Sir Terry Pratchett) | | Poll: | Is Fred drunk this morning? |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:57 - Oct 12 with 1692 views | Ryorry |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:52 - Oct 12 by sparks |
Nope. I mean him.
Because that is the entity which is being claimed. |
My question wasn't actually directed at you, but since you've answered - why shouldn't any such supposed "entity", whether real or not, be female? Or anywhere in-between female-male, or androgynous, come to that?! [Post edited 12 Oct 2019 12:58]
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:59 - Oct 12 with 1685 views | sparks |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:57 - Oct 12 by Ryorry |
My question wasn't actually directed at you, but since you've answered - why shouldn't any such supposed "entity", whether real or not, be female? Or anywhere in-between female-male, or androgynous, come to that?! [Post edited 12 Oct 2019 12:58]
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I've yet to see any evidence for such an entity of any type. Seems unlikely it would be gendered, especially if it were the one and only. However, the claims made for existence of such an entity (particularly in Abrahamic religions) are based on a male. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:59 - Oct 12 with 1685 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:25 - Oct 12 by tabletopjoe |
If it all made perfect sense to us, then why would we ever take the trouble to seek out and find Him? |
If somehow something ever kicked this all off it would be an 'it'. | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 13:01 - Oct 12 with 1680 views | Ryorry |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 12:59 - Oct 12 by sparks |
I've yet to see any evidence for such an entity of any type. Seems unlikely it would be gendered, especially if it were the one and only. However, the claims made for existence of such an entity (particularly in Abrahamic religions) are based on a male. |
Yeah, I know ... | |
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| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 13:09 - Oct 12 with 1669 views | WeWereZombies |
| Another one for the science bods - where does my consciousness come from? on 13:01 - Oct 12 by Ryorry |
Yeah, I know ... |
Although if the comparison of the time humans have been in existence compared with the age of the Earth being like a fingernail clipping off a body, and Earth being a relative newcomer to the Universe, makes the Johnny come lately (no offence meant to anyone called Johnny) nature of Abrahamic religions a bit lame in this context.
And, for that matter, the Bible is just a rewrite of Greek philosophy leaving out the bits that some Middle Eastern tribes were uncomfortable with. | |
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