| Labours silent coup 09:41 - Oct 13 with 2850 views | ElderGrizzly |
A fairly open secret during the last 18 months to anyone in Westminster. Its simply all about the timing now
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| Labours silent coup on 09:52 - Oct 13 with 2800 views | Guthrum |
Was Corbyn ever anything more than a figurehead?
Prior to attaining the leadership, he was neither a new rising star, a long-time senior (Shadow or actual) Cabinet member, nor the head of a significant faction within the Party. He came pretty much out of nowhere. |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 10:14 - Oct 13 with 2718 views | itfcjoe |
Ex-Ipswich schoolboy leading the opposition |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 10:43 - Oct 13 with 2653 views | Darth_Koont |
Won't the leader have to be voted for by the members anyway?
How does a trojan election work? |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 10:53 - Oct 13 with 2626 views | Churchman |
| Labours silent coup on 09:52 - Oct 13 by Guthrum |
Was Corbyn ever anything more than a figurehead?
Prior to attaining the leadership, he was neither a new rising star, a long-time senior (Shadow or actual) Cabinet member, nor the head of a significant faction within the Party. He came pretty much out of nowhere. |
Basically, it what ever Momentum wants isn’t it? They are the Labour Party and you either stay ‘on message’ or face a tough time from what I’ve read. Corbyn is old for a leader and looks it. Wasn’t he bunged in as a candidate to make up the numbers? If so, that would make him little more than a figurehead. However, he is extremely popular. Who is to say his successor will be? [Post edited 14 Oct 2019 7:25]
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| Labours silent coup on 11:29 - Oct 13 with 2538 views | GaryCooper |
| Labours silent coup on 10:14 - Oct 13 by itfcjoe |
Ex-Ipswich schoolboy leading the opposition |
Nothing shouts Socialism more than being a pupil at holy jo's. |  | | |
| Labours silent coup on 12:13 - Oct 13 with 2481 views | Ryorry |
Whilst I don't keep up as much as some with politics, I do watch or listen to HoC on radio/TV most days when it's sitting, and the number of times I've heard JC actually *lead* since he was elected could be counted on the fingers of one hand. |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:17 - Oct 13 with 2468 views | Ryorry |
| Labours silent coup on 10:53 - Oct 13 by Churchman |
Basically, it what ever Momentum wants isn’t it? They are the Labour Party and you either stay ‘on message’ or face a tough time from what I’ve read. Corbyn is old for a leader and looks it. Wasn’t he bunged in as a candidate to make up the numbers? If so, that would make him little more than a figurehead. However, he is extremely popular. Who is to say his successor will be? [Post edited 14 Oct 2019 7:25]
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He's extremely popular within Club Momentum, but not without it, which is something that they simply refuse to contemplate - and that's their main problem. Millions of moderate former Labour voters are either ignored or dismissed as simply not sufficiently socialist. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:24 - Oct 13 with 2446 views | ActionMan |
Which set of careerist liars are taking over from the existing careerist liars and who still thick enough to vote for Labour? Only the tribalist sheep surely. Absolutely laughable how anyone can still vote for any Conservative, Labour or Liberal cretin. |  | | |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:26 - Oct 13 with 2440 views | footers |
| Labours silent coup on 12:17 - Oct 13 by Ryorry |
He's extremely popular within Club Momentum, but not without it, which is something that they simply refuse to contemplate - and that's their main problem. Millions of moderate former Labour voters are either ignored or dismissed as simply not sufficiently socialist. |
And some of us have had to put up with the party being insufficiently socialist for the last thirty years. Oh well. |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:45 - Oct 13 with 2402 views | Ryorry |
| Labours silent coup on 12:26 - Oct 13 by footers |
And some of us have had to put up with the party being insufficiently socialist for the last thirty years. Oh well. |
I'm a pragmatist. If Labour were currently moderate left and JC-less, instead of where they actually are & what they're currently espousing, the Tories would have been booted out years ago. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:50 - Oct 13 with 2389 views | GlasgowBlue |
John McDonnell is now being denounced as a Blairite
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| Labours silent coup on 12:54 - Oct 13 with 2369 views | footers |
| Labours silent coup on 12:45 - Oct 13 by Ryorry |
I'm a pragmatist. If Labour were currently moderate left and JC-less, instead of where they actually are & what they're currently espousing, the Tories would have been booted out years ago. |
There's very little about Labour's plans that are 'hard' left in any way. And that I guess is the problem. 'Moderates' seem to think that fairly mild social democratic policies are somehow 1916 all over again. What's left to some isn't far enough for t'others. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:55 - Oct 13 with 2365 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Labours silent coup on 12:26 - Oct 13 by footers |
And some of us have had to put up with the party being insufficiently socialist for the last thirty years. Oh well. |
So you'd rather have a socialist opposition and a Tory government than a centre left Labour government. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 12:57 - Oct 13 with 2361 views | Ryorry |
| Labours silent coup on 12:54 - Oct 13 by footers |
There's very little about Labour's plans that are 'hard' left in any way. And that I guess is the problem. 'Moderates' seem to think that fairly mild social democratic policies are somehow 1916 all over again. What's left to some isn't far enough for t'others. |
It's the paying for those plans that are the problem for many. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 13:07 - Oct 13 with 2324 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labours silent coup on 12:24 - Oct 13 by ActionMan |
Which set of careerist liars are taking over from the existing careerist liars and who still thick enough to vote for Labour? Only the tribalist sheep surely. Absolutely laughable how anyone can still vote for any Conservative, Labour or Liberal cretin. |
So which cretin gets your vote? |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 13:10 - Oct 13 with 2317 views | footers |
| Labours silent coup on 12:55 - Oct 13 by GlasgowBlue |
So you'd rather have a socialist opposition and a Tory government than a centre left Labour government. |
I'd rather have a real choice of a mildly progressive party instead of Tory-lite Labour, ja. Had New Labour been more socialist and redistributive in their policies I don't think we'd be in quite the pickle we're in now. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 13:12 - Oct 13 with 2314 views | factual_blue |
| Labours silent coup on 13:07 - Oct 13 by WeWereZombies |
So which cretin gets your vote? |
I don't think you can dignify boris with the title of 'cretin'. |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 13:15 - Oct 13 with 2302 views | Ryorry |
| Labours silent coup on 13:10 - Oct 13 by footers |
I'd rather have a real choice of a mildly progressive party instead of Tory-lite Labour, ja. Had New Labour been more socialist and redistributive in their policies I don't think we'd be in quite the pickle we're in now. |
It really is useless, pointless, going back 20 years.
I too would rather have a real choice of a mildly progressive party instead of the Tories. But current Labour aren't the former in the eyes of millions of us wannabe Labour voters, sorry. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 13:19 - Oct 13 with 2288 views | WeWereZombies |
| Labours silent coup on 13:12 - Oct 13 by factual_blue |
I don't think you can dignify boris with the title of 'cretin'. |
ActionMan did actually say he would not vote for a Conservative cretin. Although you could make a case for Johnson leading a party who are no longer Conservatives (with Hammond, Clarke, Rudd et al being a Conservative Party in waiting once grass roots Conservatives catch on to what has been done to them), in which case the cretins ActionMan would vote for are this new lot, the 1922 party. Or maybe ActionMan would prefer Barbie... | |
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| Labours silent coup on 14:43 - Oct 13 with 2212 views | ElderGrizzly |
| Labours silent coup on 12:50 - Oct 13 by GlasgowBlue |
John McDonnell is now being denounced as a Blairite
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Anyone who is seen to go against Corbyn will get the same treatment. Watson, now McDonnell.
Corbyn is increasingly isolated in his Brexit views from those who pay the bills for Labour. Its only a matter of time | | | |
| Labours silent coup on 14:56 - Oct 13 with 2186 views | sparks |
| Labours silent coup on 12:54 - Oct 13 by footers |
There's very little about Labour's plans that are 'hard' left in any way. And that I guess is the problem. 'Moderates' seem to think that fairly mild social democratic policies are somehow 1916 all over again. What's left to some isn't far enough for t'others. |
They are talking of banning private education and comandeering private assets...  |  |
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| Labours silent coup on 15:07 - Oct 13 with 2164 views | Ryorry |
| Labours silent coup on 14:56 - Oct 13 by sparks |
They are talking of banning private education and comandeering private assets... |
Yes, forcing sales of rented properties to sitting tenants at below market value would certainly see the number of properties to let crash, & the price for those still available to rent consequently rise considerably. | |
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| Labours silent coup on 15:09 - Oct 13 with 2157 views | sparks |
| Labours silent coup on 15:07 - Oct 13 by Ryorry |
Yes, forcing sales of rented properties to sitting tenants at below market value would certainly see the number of properties to let crash, & the price for those still available to rent consequently rise considerably. |
Wasnt what i had in mind- but yes.
The idea that their plans on schools are not hard left is hard to fathom! | |
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| Labours silent coup on 17:31 - Oct 13 with 2043 views | solemio |
| Labours silent coup on 13:12 - Oct 13 by factual_blue |
I don't think you can dignify boris with the title of 'cretin'. |
Absolutely right. That would be an insult to your average cretin. |  | | |
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