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England players overreacted 12:56 - Oct 15 with 1182 viewsTractorCam

According to the Bulgarian goalkeeper.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/oct/15/bulgaria-goalkeeper-plamen-ilie

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England players overreacted on 12:59 - Oct 15 with 1156 viewsStokieBlue

Just highlighting what we already know: plenty of people in Bulgaria don't think it's an issue and have a strange definition of racism.

It's a societal problem which they need to address, it's not a specific football issue.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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England players overreacted on 13:00 - Oct 15 with 1127 viewsm14_blue

N0b.

Just like their manager, more interested in currying favour with their ‘ultras’ than on tackling racism.

Fair play to their captain and the coverage in the Bulgarian press shows that the idiots are by no means representative of the average Bulgarian, any more than our hooligans typify English people.
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England players overreacted on 13:01 - Oct 15 with 1115 viewsfooters

And sadly for him, his team was sh1t according to everyone.

"We need a man in charge of boys, they wont like it up em, but they'd rather it be coming from their gaffer than those broom wrangling wannabes in league 1."
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England players overreacted on 13:07 - Oct 15 with 1070 viewsHerbivore

This is why change won't come quickly. The monkey chants were clearly audible listening at home, there's no way he couldn't have heard them. He clearly just doesn't think monkey chants are a big deal, and therein lies the problem. If some of the players and the manager don't even acknowledge that there is an issue to be addressed then there's not much hope.

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England players overreacted on 13:10 - Oct 15 with 1057 viewsjeera

England players overreacted on 13:07 - Oct 15 by Herbivore

This is why change won't come quickly. The monkey chants were clearly audible listening at home, there's no way he couldn't have heard them. He clearly just doesn't think monkey chants are a big deal, and therein lies the problem. If some of the players and the manager don't even acknowledge that there is an issue to be addressed then there's not much hope.


I once considered living there but have since reconsidered.

On the plus side that cyrillic alphabet looks a right pig to learn so that's saved a chore.

Well it looks like a duck, it sounds like a duck. Nope, dunno what it is.
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England players overreacted on 13:23 - Oct 15 with 999 viewsStokieBlue

England players overreacted on 13:07 - Oct 15 by Herbivore

This is why change won't come quickly. The monkey chants were clearly audible listening at home, there's no way he couldn't have heard them. He clearly just doesn't think monkey chants are a big deal, and therein lies the problem. If some of the players and the manager don't even acknowledge that there is an issue to be addressed then there's not much hope.


Seems the Prime Minster of Bulgaria has a different view to the keeper and the manager. He's started wielding the axe and freezing the funding for the Bulgarian FA:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/bulgaria-england-raci

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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England players overreacted on 13:54 - Oct 15 with 877 viewsHerbivore

England players overreacted on 13:23 - Oct 15 by StokieBlue

Seems the Prime Minster of Bulgaria has a different view to the keeper and the manager. He's started wielding the axe and freezing the funding for the Bulgarian FA:

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/international/bulgaria-england-raci

SB


That's a positive step, but the problem is clearly pretty deeply ingrained. There were a number of people there happily doing Nazi salutes, that's pretty troubling.

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England players overreacted on 13:56 - Oct 15 with 864 viewsStokieBlue

England players overreacted on 13:54 - Oct 15 by Herbivore

That's a positive step, but the problem is clearly pretty deeply ingrained. There were a number of people there happily doing Nazi salutes, that's pretty troubling.


It's also a bit weird given their attitudes to the Slavs in WW2. Lets face it though, they aren't likely to be well educated people.

You are right though, a lot of work to be done to change attitudes.

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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England players overreacted on 14:44 - Oct 15 with 757 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

England players overreacted on 13:07 - Oct 15 by Herbivore

This is why change won't come quickly. The monkey chants were clearly audible listening at home, there's no way he couldn't have heard them. He clearly just doesn't think monkey chants are a big deal, and therein lies the problem. If some of the players and the manager don't even acknowledge that there is an issue to be addressed then there's not much hope.


How many black people are there in Bulgaria?

It's a matter of exposure. It's no coincidence that these appalling views and acts are carried out by the countries that have almost no black people living there. As such, they haven't grown up realising that we are all equal, but with some 50-100 year old view that society hasn't had to overcome like we have.

Not excusing them, but it's something that only comes up now and then in the country no doubt with things like this, that they then have little incentive to change because a few years might pass until another incident.

In the meantime no black person is likely to go and work there, study there or live there, so they never get to actually overcome the prejudices and moronic, outdated views.

Until countries that have limited exposure to 'small problems' as they probably see them, go all out to address them, then nothing will change. That's why FIFA / UEFA need to throw the absolute book at them - to educate them that this is not okay and whatever goes on in Bulgaria, the rest of world thinks you are wrong.

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England players overreacted on 14:51 - Oct 15 with 735 viewsFtnfwest

England players overreacted on 14:44 - Oct 15 by WarkTheWarkITFC

How many black people are there in Bulgaria?

It's a matter of exposure. It's no coincidence that these appalling views and acts are carried out by the countries that have almost no black people living there. As such, they haven't grown up realising that we are all equal, but with some 50-100 year old view that society hasn't had to overcome like we have.

Not excusing them, but it's something that only comes up now and then in the country no doubt with things like this, that they then have little incentive to change because a few years might pass until another incident.

In the meantime no black person is likely to go and work there, study there or live there, so they never get to actually overcome the prejudices and moronic, outdated views.

Until countries that have limited exposure to 'small problems' as they probably see them, go all out to address them, then nothing will change. That's why FIFA / UEFA need to throw the absolute book at them - to educate them that this is not okay and whatever goes on in Bulgaria, the rest of world thinks you are wrong.


there were 3 in their team
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England players overreacted on 14:53 - Oct 15 with 724 viewschicoazul

England players overreacted on 14:44 - Oct 15 by WarkTheWarkITFC

How many black people are there in Bulgaria?

It's a matter of exposure. It's no coincidence that these appalling views and acts are carried out by the countries that have almost no black people living there. As such, they haven't grown up realising that we are all equal, but with some 50-100 year old view that society hasn't had to overcome like we have.

Not excusing them, but it's something that only comes up now and then in the country no doubt with things like this, that they then have little incentive to change because a few years might pass until another incident.

In the meantime no black person is likely to go and work there, study there or live there, so they never get to actually overcome the prejudices and moronic, outdated views.

Until countries that have limited exposure to 'small problems' as they probably see them, go all out to address them, then nothing will change. That's why FIFA / UEFA need to throw the absolute book at them - to educate them that this is not okay and whatever goes on in Bulgaria, the rest of world thinks you are wrong.


They literally had black players in their team last night.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.
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England players overreacted on 15:46 - Oct 15 with 631 viewsfactual_blue

England players overreacted on 13:10 - Oct 15 by jeera

I once considered living there but have since reconsidered.

On the plus side that cyrillic alphabet looks a right pig to learn so that's saved a chore.


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England players overreacted on 15:47 - Oct 15 with 631 viewsWarkTheWarkITFC

England players overreacted on 14:53 - Oct 15 by chicoazul

They literally had black players in their team last night.


So have Russia and Italy and a number of other countries that have problems with racism.

I'm not suggesting that there are no black people in these countries. But when it is less than 0.2% of the population, which I think is the case with Bulgaria, there will be millions of Bulgarians who have never even met a black person in the city, town or village they live in and on that basis they'd have probably taken very little interest in educating themselves and evolving from their ridiculous mindset, one that most of the world held 200 years ago, until people started to realise that they were no different from anyone else and slowly attitudes changed.

The fact that Bulgaria and some other Bulgarian clubs will have a few black players will do nothing to change that. The same Millwall fans that abuse foreign players would worship the same bloke if he moved to their club and did the business. It doesn't mean they aren't racist, they just don't hate that person as much because they have a tangible reason not to, as ridiculous as that might be.

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England players overreacted on 16:11 - Oct 15 with 568 viewsSwansea_Blue

What a humongous bellend

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England players overreacted on 16:18 - Oct 15 with 551 viewsfactual_blue

England players overreacted on 16:11 - Oct 15 by Swansea_Blue

What a humongous bellend


If he'd reacted a bit better, he wouldn't have conceded six goals.

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