| Those loveable Tories, again 22:53 - Oct 15 with 5573 views | BrixtonBlue |
The Tories are trying to rig the coming election by insisting you must have photo ID to vote. We have never needed this before, we haven't had problems with fraud, and it will only disenfranchise the poorest from voting, the people who usually vote for Labour. 3.5 million have no photo ID, 11 million have no passport or driving licence.
Just another in the long list of dishonest politics in this country. Are we much worse than the rogue states we often castigate?
Even if you hate Corbyn you should be waking up to what's going on.
Extinction Rebellion have it right IMO. We need direct action to overthrow the absolute charlatans running this country. |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:11 - Oct 16 with 917 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 07:40 - Oct 16 by GaryCooper |
You believe that all episodes of electoral fraud are captured? |
Where have I said that? | |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:13 - Oct 16 with 916 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 08:17 - Oct 16 by hampstead_blue |
JC calling it as it is again!
He's employed a convicted vote rigger into his office!
in addition....
Working with Tariq Mahmood another voting fraudster.....
Photo ID is a great idea. You need it to do most things so why not voting? The right to vote is so important it has to be taken seriously.
Anyhow, councils will issue ID for those who don't have it. |
Nothing wrong with it in principle, but why haven't we always had it and why do the Tories want to bring it in now?
These are the questions you should be asking yourself. | |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:16 - Oct 16 with 911 views | StokieBlue |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:13 - Oct 16 by BrixtonBlue |
Nothing wrong with it in principle, but why haven't we always had it and why do the Tories want to bring it in now?
These are the questions you should be asking yourself. |
I'm not sure the first question is really valid. If everything was based on "we didn't have it before why do we need it now" then nothing would ever change.
The second one has been answered. They shouldn't bring it in now but as a long-term aspiration there is nothing wrong with the concept.
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:18 - Oct 16 with 908 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:16 - Oct 16 by StokieBlue |
I'm not sure the first question is really valid. If everything was based on "we didn't have it before why do we need it now" then nothing would ever change.
The second one has been answered. They shouldn't bring it in now but as a long-term aspiration there is nothing wrong with the concept.
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My questions were largely rhetorical. I think we all know why the Tories are trying to bring it in now. | |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:21 - Oct 16 with 908 views | baxterbasics |
My thoughts, some of which have already been made elsewhere:
1) We can't say this is only a tiny problem when we simply have no way of knowing. There is certainly a perceived problem which is just as important to address.
2) Postal votes are a bigger concern than verifying identity at the polling station.
3) Unfair to accuse tories of rigging when one of the groups potentially disenfranchised - the elderly - are more likely to vote conservative.
4) If an inexpensive or even free ID option is made available then we have no problem. If passport / drivers licence is the only way to vote, then yes criticism is fair. |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:22 - Oct 16 with 896 views | Herbivore |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:21 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
My thoughts, some of which have already been made elsewhere:
1) We can't say this is only a tiny problem when we simply have no way of knowing. There is certainly a perceived problem which is just as important to address.
2) Postal votes are a bigger concern than verifying identity at the polling station.
3) Unfair to accuse tories of rigging when one of the groups potentially disenfranchised - the elderly - are more likely to vote conservative.
4) If an inexpensive or even free ID option is made available then we have no problem. If passport / drivers licence is the only way to vote, then yes criticism is fair. |
Point 1 sums up why this country is such a mess. |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:36 - Oct 16 with 883 views | DanTheMan |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:22 - Oct 16 by Herbivore |
Point 1 sums up why this country is such a mess. |
I thought that.
People think there's a problem, even if there isn't, so we should fix the thing that may not be a problem?
Wtf!? |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:40 - Oct 16 with 876 views | baxterbasics |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:36 - Oct 16 by DanTheMan |
I thought that.
People think there's a problem, even if there isn't, so we should fix the thing that may not be a problem?
Wtf!? |
Perception matters. If faith is undermined in our democratic process, apathy grows and the legitimacy of elections is called into question.
I happen to believe there is a bigger problem than is being acknowledged. Lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't, and with a more robust system we will at least know for sure. | |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:51 - Oct 16 with 854 views | Herbivore |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:40 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
Perception matters. If faith is undermined in our democratic process, apathy grows and the legitimacy of elections is called into question.
I happen to believe there is a bigger problem than is being acknowledged. Lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't, and with a more robust system we will at least know for sure. |
Feels not reals all the way for you, friend. We're screwed. | |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 13:50 - Oct 16 with 781 views | chicoazul |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:40 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
Perception matters. If faith is undermined in our democratic process, apathy grows and the legitimacy of elections is called into question.
I happen to believe there is a bigger problem than is being acknowledged. Lack of evidence doesn't mean there isn't, and with a more robust system we will at least know for sure. |
"lack of evidence doesnt mean there isnt"
Nor does lack of evidence mean that there is. Although happily we do have some evidence about people caught & convicted of voter fraud. Well, I say "people", I actually mean "a person". Voter fraud does not exist. |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:00 - Oct 16 with 775 views | baxterbasics |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:06 - Oct 16 with 755 views | giant_ullaa |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:00 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
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with friends like George.... |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:19 - Oct 16 with 730 views | chicoazul |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:00 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
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Oh well if Gorgeous George the Stalinist thinks it then thats me convinced. | |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:23 - Oct 16 with 724 views | itfcjoe |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:00 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
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He's talking about postal voting - which is a far bigger issue than the one being attacked by the Tories as you won't need an ID card to post a letter |  |
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 14:47 - Oct 16 with 697 views | vilanovablue |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 11:21 - Oct 16 by baxterbasics |
My thoughts, some of which have already been made elsewhere:
1) We can't say this is only a tiny problem when we simply have no way of knowing. There is certainly a perceived problem which is just as important to address.
2) Postal votes are a bigger concern than verifying identity at the polling station.
3) Unfair to accuse tories of rigging when one of the groups potentially disenfranchised - the elderly - are more likely to vote conservative.
4) If an inexpensive or even free ID option is made available then we have no problem. If passport / drivers licence is the only way to vote, then yes criticism is fair. |
You could always look at the Electoral Commission stats who specifically investigate voter fraud because it's their job. In 2018 they investigated in excess of 250 alleged cases and there was 1 conviction which suggests to me voter fraud isn't really an issue. If anyone else has any useful stats from a legitimate place I'd be happy to consider those as well. [Post edited 16 Oct 2019 14:47]
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| Those loveable Tories, again on 15:09 - Oct 16 with 675 views | longtimefan |
| Those loveable Tories, again on 09:08 - Oct 16 by Herbivore |
You need photo ID for most things? Like what? The post office accept a bank card for collecting undelivered mail. The only thing I've had to show photo ID for this year is foreign travel. I don't see why actually having to show your polling card wouldn't be a reasonable solution to what is a tiny problem. |
You also need photo I’d for car hire. What I found amusing was that a photo driving licence was not sufficient on its own, you also need to provide a utility bill  | | | |
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