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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin 10:01 - Oct 18 with 2940 viewsElderGrizzly





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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:04 - Oct 18 with 1801 viewsgiant_ullaa

Wow, hadn't seen things explained like that.

thanks for sharing.

Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:07 - Oct 18 with 1792 viewsNotSure

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:04 - Oct 18 by giant_ullaa

Wow, hadn't seen things explained like that.

thanks for sharing.


"currently utterly unreported"

It was on the radio 4 today programme this morning.
It's a decent point he is making but he shouldn't try and pretend he is the only one who knows this!
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:09 - Oct 18 with 1773 viewsElderGrizzly

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:07 - Oct 18 by NotSure

"currently utterly unreported"

It was on the radio 4 today programme this morning.
It's a decent point he is making but he shouldn't try and pretend he is the only one who knows this!


They were reporting on his tweet from 12 hours ago
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:09 - Oct 18 with 1774 viewsGuthrum

The EU will be as keen to cobble something together before that happens as they have been now. They still won't want No Deal in two or three years time.

Plus there is a reasonable chance a hard-line Brexiteer Conservative government may not be in power by the time we get there.

Good Lord! Whatever is it?
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:16 - Oct 18 with 1733 viewsgiant_ullaa

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:09 - Oct 18 by Guthrum

The EU will be as keen to cobble something together before that happens as they have been now. They still won't want No Deal in two or three years time.

Plus there is a reasonable chance a hard-line Brexiteer Conservative government may not be in power by the time we get there.


But following the logic that hard brexit affects us more than them, it gives them a useful stick to beat us with in negotiations as that next deadline approaches.

Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:17 - Oct 18 with 1722 viewsgiant_ullaa

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:07 - Oct 18 by NotSure

"currently utterly unreported"

It was on the radio 4 today programme this morning.
It's a decent point he is making but he shouldn't try and pretend he is the only one who knows this!


I don't get to listen to Radio 4 in the mornings - lucky if I can avoid Milkshake on C5

Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:22 - Oct 18 with 1724 viewsartsbossbeard

I'm also loving The Spectators' view on matters today.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/five-reasons-why-boris-johnsons-brexit-dea

Point 4.

Due to certain clauses in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have been legally bound to the EU’s ‘level playing field’ rules – such as minimum standards on environmental policy and employment law.

This is a good thing?

5 points on why diarrhea is better than constipation would be more apt.

Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:22 - Oct 18 with 1706 viewsBlueBadger

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:16 - Oct 18 by giant_ullaa

But following the logic that hard brexit affects us more than them, it gives them a useful stick to beat us with in negotiations as that next deadline approaches.


Oh yeah.
I've said this before and I'll say it again 'give us what we want or we'll f*ck ourselves into the ground' is, at best, a rather flawed negotiating position.
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These people are called idiots and BB is their leader.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:25 - Oct 18 with 1687 viewsDanTheMan

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:22 - Oct 18 by artsbossbeard

I'm also loving The Spectators' view on matters today.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/five-reasons-why-boris-johnsons-brexit-dea

Point 4.

Due to certain clauses in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have been legally bound to the EU’s ‘level playing field’ rules – such as minimum standards on environmental policy and employment law.

This is a good thing?

5 points on why diarrhea is better than constipation would be more apt.


Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

"oh yeah? Well if you want that in a trade deal, we want to option to pollute more!"


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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:26 - Oct 18 with 1670 viewsartsbossbeard

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:25 - Oct 18 by DanTheMan

Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face.

"oh yeah? Well if you want that in a trade deal, we want to option to pollute more!"



Amazing, isn't it?!

Please note: prior to hitting the post button, I've double checked for anything that could be construed as "Anti Semitic" and to the best of my knowledge it isn't. Anything deemed to be of a Xenophobic nature is therefore purely accidental or down to your own misconstruing.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:32 - Oct 18 with 1647 viewsHerbivore

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:22 - Oct 18 by artsbossbeard

I'm also loving The Spectators' view on matters today.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/five-reasons-why-boris-johnsons-brexit-dea

Point 4.

Due to certain clauses in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have been legally bound to the EU’s ‘level playing field’ rules – such as minimum standards on environmental policy and employment law.

This is a good thing?

5 points on why diarrhea is better than constipation would be more apt.


This is precisely why the ERG are likely to back the deal. Little changes like this make it a harder Brexit than May's already pretty hard Brexit. It enables us to become a deregulated, low tax, low worker's rights economy. That's their wet dream. The fact it means that many of them will have to do something they said they'd never do in going against the DUP won't even register. These people are utter pond scum. Those who have been duped into thinking that these low lives are fighting for something for them, I feel really sorry for. They've been had.

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:42 - Oct 18 with 1593 viewsMarshalls_Mullet

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:32 - Oct 18 by Herbivore

This is precisely why the ERG are likely to back the deal. Little changes like this make it a harder Brexit than May's already pretty hard Brexit. It enables us to become a deregulated, low tax, low worker's rights economy. That's their wet dream. The fact it means that many of them will have to do something they said they'd never do in going against the DUP won't even register. These people are utter pond scum. Those who have been duped into thinking that these low lives are fighting for something for them, I feel really sorry for. They've been had.


Surely if we are not governed by EU laws, everytime a new party comes into power, they will propose a wholesale change in the laws to suit their political position?

This would be a nightmare.

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:45 - Oct 18 with 1582 viewsBlueBadger

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:42 - Oct 18 by Marshalls_Mullet

Surely if we are not governed by EU laws, everytime a new party comes into power, they will propose a wholesale change in the laws to suit their political position?

This would be a nightmare.


It's almost like the whole thing was a flag-waving, foreigner-bashing exercise in short-termism for the sole benefit of some free-market extremists and disaster capitalists.
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These people are called idiots and BB is their leader.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:51 - Oct 18 with 1534 viewsfooters

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:45 - Oct 18 by BlueBadger

It's almost like the whole thing was a flag-waving, foreigner-bashing exercise in short-termism for the sole benefit of some free-market extremists and disaster capitalists.
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And don't forget our (read French) blessed blue passport manufacturers.

"We need a man in charge of boys, they wont like it up em, but they'd rather it be coming from their gaffer than those broom wrangling wannabes in league 1."
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:55 - Oct 18 with 1498 viewsBlueBadger

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:51 - Oct 18 by footers

And don't forget our (read French) blessed blue passport manufacturers.


There'll be lots* of new hospitals. We can't staff them safely, but they'll be there as well.


*if your idea of 'lots' is the highest score you can get from rolling a six-sided dice

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:57 - Oct 18 with 1487 viewsfooters

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:55 - Oct 18 by BlueBadger

There'll be lots* of new hospitals. We can't staff them safely, but they'll be there as well.


*if your idea of 'lots' is the highest score you can get from rolling a six-sided dice


Made out of discarded wine boxes no doubt, full of happy, painted patients :)

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:57 - Oct 18 with 1488 viewsfactual_blue

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:16 - Oct 18 by giant_ullaa

But following the logic that hard brexit affects us more than them, it gives them a useful stick to beat us with in negotiations as that next deadline approaches.


I've never been convinced by that view. I'd be grateful for an explanation.

Preferably one that doesn't boil down 'yeah, well they're all stupid foreigners'.

(i don't for a moment think that you personally would give such an explanation btw)

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:11 - Oct 18 with 1429 viewsElderGrizzly

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:32 - Oct 18 by Herbivore

This is precisely why the ERG are likely to back the deal. Little changes like this make it a harder Brexit than May's already pretty hard Brexit. It enables us to become a deregulated, low tax, low worker's rights economy. That's their wet dream. The fact it means that many of them will have to do something they said they'd never do in going against the DUP won't even register. These people are utter pond scum. Those who have been duped into thinking that these low lives are fighting for something for them, I feel really sorry for. They've been had.


They’re likely to back it as a Hard Brexit and even a no deal is likely at the end of 2020

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:17 - Oct 18 with 1412 viewsPinewoodblue

Rather than start another Brexit related thread thought I would ask a question on this one.

The UK owns shares in the European Investment Bank and those shares have a nominal value of €40 billion. Can Boris use them to pay the €39B or will they be redistributed among the 27?

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:29 - Oct 18 with 1354 viewslongtimefan

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:17 - Oct 18 by Pinewoodblue

Rather than start another Brexit related thread thought I would ask a question on this one.

The UK owns shares in the European Investment Bank and those shares have a nominal value of €40 billion. Can Boris use them to pay the €39B or will they be redistributed among the 27?


It would really help if these people got their facts right. Because we have continued to pay our bill, the current Divorce Bill is £33B not £39B. This, along with the repercussions mentioned, was also reported on R4 Today programme this morning.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:30 - Oct 18 with 1351 viewsSibelius8

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:22 - Oct 18 by artsbossbeard

I'm also loving The Spectators' view on matters today.

https://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/10/five-reasons-why-boris-johnsons-brexit-dea

Point 4.

Due to certain clauses in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have been legally bound to the EU’s ‘level playing field’ rules – such as minimum standards on environmental policy and employment law.

This is a good thing?

5 points on why diarrhea is better than constipation would be more apt.


"Due to certain clauses in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have been legally bound to the EU’s ‘level playing field’ rules – such as minimum standards on environmental policy and employment law."

The above quotation is about May's proposed deal, not Johnson's.

The whole Spectator article's concluding paragraph sums up Johnson's deal neatly and precisely:

"Now that the backstop has been removed, it also appears that ECJ’s jurisdiction has been massively reduced. The ECJ will still have jurisdiction over EU citizen’s rights for a time-limited period, and over disputes that relate to an interpretation of EU law in the WA. Northern Ireland will also be subject to some ECJ jurisdiction as long as it remains aligned to the EU. But once we leave, the UK will be free to set its own laws, in its own parliament, with its own elected representatives voting on legislation."
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:30 - Oct 18 with 1346 viewsBrianTablet

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:45 - Oct 18 by BlueBadger

It's almost like the whole thing was a flag-waving, foreigner-bashing exercise in short-termism for the sole benefit of some free-market extremists and disaster capitalists.
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In years to come, that will become the OED definition of 'Brexit'.

BREXIT: (n) a flag-waving, foreigner-bashing exercise in short-termism for the sole benefit of some free-market extremists and disaster capitalists.

example: "Let's get Brexit done you surrendering treasonous crusties."

"......Paul Mariner......John Wark...... Brian Tablet...errrrrrr Talbot"
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:33 - Oct 18 with 1339 viewsFtnfwest

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:17 - Oct 18 by Pinewoodblue

Rather than start another Brexit related thread thought I would ask a question on this one.

The UK owns shares in the European Investment Bank and those shares have a nominal value of €40 billion. Can Boris use them to pay the €39B or will they be redistributed among the 27?


This has always been a more acceptable element of what is basically Teresa May's deal in that if we stay in, our commitments against this 'bill' are actually about double the £39B. So in answer to the question, it would be however we were going to pay £70 odd billion to the EU in the first place.
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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:38 - Oct 18 with 1307 viewsRyorry

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 10:42 - Oct 18 by Marshalls_Mullet

Surely if we are not governed by EU laws, everytime a new party comes into power, they will propose a wholesale change in the laws to suit their political position?

This would be a nightmare.


That was a primary reason for my voting remain!

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So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:42 - Oct 18 with 1302 viewsHerbivore

So Boris is paying the £39bn after all and this is “No Deal” in new clothin on 11:30 - Oct 18 by Sibelius8

"Due to certain clauses in Theresa May’s Withdrawal Agreement, the UK would have been legally bound to the EU’s ‘level playing field’ rules – such as minimum standards on environmental policy and employment law."

The above quotation is about May's proposed deal, not Johnson's.

The whole Spectator article's concluding paragraph sums up Johnson's deal neatly and precisely:

"Now that the backstop has been removed, it also appears that ECJ’s jurisdiction has been massively reduced. The ECJ will still have jurisdiction over EU citizen’s rights for a time-limited period, and over disputes that relate to an interpretation of EU law in the WA. Northern Ireland will also be subject to some ECJ jurisdiction as long as it remains aligned to the EU. But once we leave, the UK will be free to set its own laws, in its own parliament, with its own elected representatives voting on legislation."


So we'll basically have what we have now but just be a lot poorer and with far fewer rights for the average citizen. Where do I sign?

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