| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... 15:31 - Oct 18 with 16594 views | itfcjoe |
.....this is becoming an issue it seems.
A male born woman is the world champion in a track cycling event and defends that in Manchester on at the weekend. Canadian called Rachel McKinnon
https://news.sky.com/story/trans-cyclist-rachel-mckinnon-defends-her-right-to-ra
Also mentions in there a formerly male weightlifter who competed, who has now transitioned across to the women's side and won 2 gold's at the Pacific Games.
It can't just be me that thinks this is just ridiculous, it's not something that needs great debate surely - men have a huge physical advantage over women with the evidence being every sport in the world where men are faster, stronger and quicker.
When you look back at the 80s and see the lengths that the Eastern bloc would go to to win medals, and how heavily abused the women were with their hormone treatments which have turned a few into men later in life as they had so much testosterone it's obvious this will be abused.
And current case with Caster Semenya as well and her levels.
It does seem at the moment that trans rights just trump women's rights whilst everyone tries to be a bit too woke and not say the obvious. |  |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 18:51 - Oct 18 with 1388 views | BlueBadger |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 18:23 - Oct 18 by MrEko2001 |
I can't help but notice that the woke folk on this thread are yet to suggest an answer to this one. |
You didn't read down far enough.
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 18:57 - Oct 18 with 1368 views | BlueBadger |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 18:33 - Oct 18 by caught-in-limbo |
They don't have to. All they have to do is mock those who apply common sense until they are silenced. |
The thing about a lot of 'common sense' is a) it isn't very common and b) it's doesn't often make sense. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 18:58 - Oct 18 with 1365 views | BlueBadger |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 17:59 - Oct 18 by footers |
*waits for fascism will come in the form of anti-fascism for the millionth time* |
An unlikely winner.
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:17 - Oct 18 with 1318 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 18:10 - Oct 18 by caught-in-limbo |
Thanks.
All those saying it's complicated because there are important human rights issues at stake will change their tune the minute Russia decides to start a state run transexual athletics program.
It's not about human rights at all. |
If you don’t think it’s about human rights (i.e. people wanting to be recognised for who they are) then you haven’t been following the stories of transgender athletes fighting for recognition. Of course human rights are part of it. But it shouldn’t be the only issue.
As a side question thrown out to the group, why have the “tell it like it is brigade” ((c) Badger) suddenly started using the word ‘woke’ at every opportunity? |  |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:21 - Oct 18 with 1303 views | itfcjoe |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 17:11 - Oct 18 by BlueBadger |
What about a simple 'cis male', 'cis female', 'non-binary' classification? Or is that over-simplifying somewhat? |
Is there a more pointless term at the moment than ‘cis’, it’s just an unnecessary further classification surely? | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:23 - Oct 18 with 1293 views | J2BLUE |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:21 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
Is there a more pointless term at the moment than ‘cis’, it’s just an unnecessary further classification surely? |
I just assumed it was part of the plan to normalise having a label and to fight the idea that being cis is 'normal'. |  |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:26 - Oct 18 with 1283 views | J2BLUE |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:17 - Oct 18 by Swansea_Blue |
If you don’t think it’s about human rights (i.e. people wanting to be recognised for who they are) then you haven’t been following the stories of transgender athletes fighting for recognition. Of course human rights are part of it. But it shouldn’t be the only issue.
As a side question thrown out to the group, why have the “tell it like it is brigade” ((c) Badger) suddenly started using the word ‘woke’ at every opportunity? |
I do think using the word woke is acceptable. Lots on Twitter use it when arguing for trans rights. I also think it's fair enough to point out that SOME are so desperate to be woke that they will dismiss common sense ideas as prejudice. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:26 - Oct 18 with 1280 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:21 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
Is there a more pointless term at the moment than ‘cis’, it’s just an unnecessary further classification surely? |
Bellybuttons are the answer.
1. Innies
2. Outies
3. Not quite either
Job done | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:27 - Oct 18 with 1281 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:21 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
Is there a more pointless term at the moment than ‘cis’, it’s just an unnecessary further classification surely? |
I don't think it is unnecessary. It informs people that the gender you identify with matches your body. Just saying 'male' or 'female' doesn't always do that. You can identify as male and that not match your body, for example.
It's actually from Latin, meaning “on the same side.” In this use it obviously means your gender and your body are in alignment.
Personally I don't get too worked up about about. It's just a word and if someone wants to say they are male or female instead, who is going to stop them? [Post edited 18 Oct 2019 19:27]
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:28 - Oct 18 with 1269 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:23 - Oct 18 by J2BLUE |
I just assumed it was part of the plan to normalise having a label and to fight the idea that being cis is 'normal'. |
Being cis is typical, or prevalent. Every gender variation is normal though. It's a small but important distinction really. [Post edited 18 Oct 2019 19:29]
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:28 - Oct 18 with 1263 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:26 - Oct 18 by Swansea_Blue |
Bellybuttons are the answer.
1. Innies
2. Outies
3. Not quite either
Job done |
What about so far in it is out at the back? | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:31 - Oct 18 with 1242 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:26 - Oct 18 by J2BLUE |
I do think using the word woke is acceptable. Lots on Twitter use it when arguing for trans rights. I also think it's fair enough to point out that SOME are so desperate to be woke that they will dismiss common sense ideas as prejudice. |
On the other hand, many distasteful opinions are held and protected under the banner of 'Common Sense' so it works both ways.
For many' common sense' is actually shorthand for 'It's always been this way and this new way makes me uncomfortable and I don't quite understand it so I don't like it and it is wrong'. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:32 - Oct 18 with 1236 views | J2BLUE |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:31 - Oct 18 by SpruceMoose |
On the other hand, many distasteful opinions are held and protected under the banner of 'Common Sense' so it works both ways.
For many' common sense' is actually shorthand for 'It's always been this way and this new way makes me uncomfortable and I don't quite understand it so I don't like it and it is wrong'. |
Fair point, absolutely agree. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:34 - Oct 18 with 1227 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:32 - Oct 18 by J2BLUE |
Fair point, absolutely agree. |
In case you didn't realise, I wasn't disagreeing with your point either. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:36 - Oct 18 with 1213 views | J2BLUE |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:34 - Oct 18 by SpruceMoose |
In case you didn't realise, I wasn't disagreeing with your point either. |
I know, i'm scared too man. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:38 - Oct 18 with 1206 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:36 - Oct 18 by J2BLUE |
I know, i'm scared too man. |
Brave new world. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:43 - Oct 18 with 1196 views | itfcjoe |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:27 - Oct 18 by SpruceMoose |
I don't think it is unnecessary. It informs people that the gender you identify with matches your body. Just saying 'male' or 'female' doesn't always do that. You can identify as male and that not match your body, for example.
It's actually from Latin, meaning “on the same side.” In this use it obviously means your gender and your body are in alignment.
Personally I don't get too worked up about about. It's just a word and if someone wants to say they are male or female instead, who is going to stop them? [Post edited 18 Oct 2019 19:27]
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In 99.9% of situations it is just going to add clarity when none is required | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:43 - Oct 18 with 1194 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:31 - Oct 18 by SpruceMoose |
On the other hand, many distasteful opinions are held and protected under the banner of 'Common Sense' so it works both ways.
For many' common sense' is actually shorthand for 'It's always been this way and this new way makes me uncomfortable and I don't quite understand it so I don't like it and it is wrong'. |
"On the other hand, many distasteful opinions are held and protected under the banner of 'Common Sense' so it works both ways."
Many? Really?
Name a few. |  |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:44 - Oct 18 with 1192 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:43 - Oct 18 by itfcjoe |
In 99.9% of situations it is just going to add clarity when none is required |
I still don't see your objection. It probably feels that way living somewhere like Ipswich to be honest, but if you live somewhere more diverse it becomes relevant. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:45 - Oct 18 with 1181 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:43 - Oct 18 by caught-in-limbo |
"On the other hand, many distasteful opinions are held and protected under the banner of 'Common Sense' so it works both ways."
Many? Really?
Name a few. |
I no longer waste my time with professional contrarians like you.
I await your inevitable failed attempt at a withering put down. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:58 - Oct 18 with 1151 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:45 - Oct 18 by SpruceMoose |
I no longer waste my time with professional contrarians like you.
I await your inevitable failed attempt at a withering put down. |
But you've already responded to one of my comments already, but now you've been addressed directly, you cry off. | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 20:00 - Oct 18 with 1140 views | SpruceMoose |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 19:58 - Oct 18 by caught-in-limbo |
But you've already responded to one of my comments already, but now you've been addressed directly, you cry off. |
Thank you for not making me wait very long x | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 20:08 - Oct 18 with 1126 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 20:00 - Oct 18 by SpruceMoose |
Thank you for not making me wait very long x |
If you "no longer waste yourtime with professional contrarians like me", why are you continuing to do so? | |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 20:11 - Oct 18 with 1115 views | jaykay |
has there been any case of men born woman competing in a mans sport |  |
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| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 20:15 - Oct 18 with 1113 views | caught-in-limbo |
| Transgender women competing in women's sports.... on 20:11 - Oct 18 by jaykay |
has there been any case of men born woman competing in a mans sport |
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