| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? 12:05 - Oct 22 with 5965 views | Garv |
For the purpose of getting games into him and trying to find a bit of form, there's an argument for this isn't there?
If Lambert is still into his rotation game you could even rest Nolan and get Dozzell playing further up the pitch, but I doubt that'll happen. |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:06 - Oct 22 with 3987 views | TractorCam |
No.
Huws. |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:07 - Oct 22 with 3991 views | TractorBoyOlly |
No. He's had numerous chances and given absolutely nothing to the team. I'd go with Huws. I think we should sell Dozzell in January *Unpopular opnion alert* |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:08 - Oct 22 with 3976 views | TractorCam |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:07 - Oct 22 by TractorBoyOlly |
No. He's had numerous chances and given absolutely nothing to the team. I'd go with Huws. I think we should sell Dozzell in January *Unpopular opnion alert* |
Really isn't unpopular. | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:09 - Oct 22 with 3957 views | TractorBoyOlly |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:08 - Oct 22 by TractorCam |
Really isn't unpopular. |
Just thought there would be people screaming up and down on here by me saying that, there usually is. | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:11 - Oct 22 with 3950 views | MrTown |
Holy
Woolf - Chambo - Wilson
KVY - Skuse - Huws - Garbutt
Nolan
Keane - Jackson |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:11 - Oct 22 with 3949 views | ElderGrizzly |
No, I don’t think we’ll see him start a league game again this season for us. Loan in January to L2 |  | | |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:11 - Oct 22 with 3946 views | TractorCam |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:09 - Oct 22 by TractorBoyOlly |
Just thought there would be people screaming up and down on here by me saying that, there usually is. |
Personally reckon he will be sold, and I won't be too fussed if he is. There's clearly a talented player in there who probably will be better off leaving. Given his England connections a championship club would be most likely. | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:29 - Oct 22 with 3875 views | Illinoisblue |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:07 - Oct 22 by TractorBoyOlly |
No. He's had numerous chances and given absolutely nothing to the team. I'd go with Huws. I think we should sell Dozzell in January *Unpopular opnion alert* |
Numerous chances? LOL |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:35 - Oct 22 with 3848 views | J2BLUE |
He has no divine right to start. Not being funny but if his name was Andy Durrell and he wasn't the son of a former player no one would be mentioning him. We'd be talking about where in league two he was going on loan.
Clearly a player with huge potential but his path to the first team shouldn't be handed to him. Our season is about promotion, not his development. |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:03 - Oct 22 with 3781 views | itfcjoe |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:35 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE |
He has no divine right to start. Not being funny but if his name was Andy Durrell and he wasn't the son of a former player no one would be mentioning him. We'd be talking about where in league two he was going on loan.
Clearly a player with huge potential but his path to the first team shouldn't be handed to him. Our season is about promotion, not his development. |
I think this name thing has got a bit silly, it's clearly the flashes he shows combined with his international pedigree which is why those who rate him highly do so.
Although it appears more fans have turned on him now that rate him as everything has to be polarised |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:11 - Oct 22 with 3712 views | Yallop |
No.
Football is simple. Be the best player on the park for the under 23s. Earn your place. |  | | |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:24 - Oct 22 with 3667 views | J2BLUE |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:03 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
I think this name thing has got a bit silly, it's clearly the flashes he shows combined with his international pedigree which is why those who rate him highly do so.
Although it appears more fans have turned on him now that rate him as everything has to be polarised |
I don't think it's silly at all. He's not currently good/consistent enough to start here and people are only suggesting it because of his name. What other logic is there to start him when we have better options? Our job is try and get promotion not develop him for his next club.
I disagree that anyone has turned on him. We're just calling it honestly. I hope he does take a first team spot and stay here for years to come but I can't see it now. | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:27 - Oct 22 with 3658 views | Keaneish |
Not for me. One of the best passers of the ball at the club and a joy to watch at times but lacking in so many other areas. |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:28 - Oct 22 with 3655 views | itfcjoe |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:24 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE |
I don't think it's silly at all. He's not currently good/consistent enough to start here and people are only suggesting it because of his name. What other logic is there to start him when we have better options? Our job is try and get promotion not develop him for his next club.
I disagree that anyone has turned on him. We're just calling it honestly. I hope he does take a first team spot and stay here for years to come but I can't see it now. |
Of course it’s silly, Paul Lambert seemed him good and consistent enough to start only 2 days ago - do you think that is related to his name? | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:31 - Oct 22 with 3633 views | J2BLUE |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:28 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
Of course it’s silly, Paul Lambert seemed him good and consistent enough to start only 2 days ago - do you think that is related to his name? |
You know i'm not talking about one single game. How many do you think he'll start in the next 10? | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:34 - Oct 22 with 3627 views | Gooders7592 |
I do think Dozzell is a good player and has shown glimpses of what he could become. However how long can we persevere with him for?
Too many games seem to pass him by with the odd good pass during them. I'd love to see him take a game by the scruff of the neck and dictate/run it but I don't think we will anytime soon.
A loan in January to a top league 2 side where he gets a full game every week and see what happens. [Post edited 22 Oct 2019 13:34]
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:34 - Oct 22 with 3616 views | Herbivore |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:03 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
I think this name thing has got a bit silly, it's clearly the flashes he shows combined with his international pedigree which is why those who rate him highly do so.
Although it appears more fans have turned on him now that rate him as everything has to be polarised |
There's surely a pretty reasonable middle ground here. He's clearly a talent and he's undoubtedly been disrupted by being out of action for a year at a time where he was looking capable of really pushing for a regular place in the first team.
At the same time, he's not pushed on at all since his injury and if anything he's gone backwards. It's a bit of a catch 22 for him as he needs more football to help him develop but he's got to justify being given more game time. He's not been doing that. Other youngsters have forced their way in through their performances, but Dozzell hasn't really had a good performance for us in some time now. He's got to do more when he is given a chance.
Personally I'd look to send him out on loan in January, in an ideal world maybe to a German or Dutch side rather than someone in League 1 or League 2. I think a spell abroad would do him good because (a) there's not going it be much pressure on him, (b) it would be a more technical league which would suit him, and (c) experiencing a different environment and being away from home might do him some good.
There's a player in there and if we let him go now we wouldn't get much of a fee for him. He's still very young and worth sticking with for now but we've got to work out how to develop him because what we're doing at the minute isn't working for him or us. |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:35 - Oct 22 with 3616 views | SomethingBlue |
No, I'd play Huws.
However: even if Andre has struggled a little at times, I find some of the reaction disproportionate. Even on Sunday he played a couple of sharp, pace-changing passes round the corner similar to those that had a hand in our winner at Gillingham. The players around him were, on those particular occasions, just not sharp enough to make something of them. I have no idea what his long-term future will be but it would be both silly and harsh to write him off. [Post edited 22 Oct 2019 13:44]
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:36 - Oct 22 with 3607 views | J2BLUE |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:34 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
There's surely a pretty reasonable middle ground here. He's clearly a talent and he's undoubtedly been disrupted by being out of action for a year at a time where he was looking capable of really pushing for a regular place in the first team.
At the same time, he's not pushed on at all since his injury and if anything he's gone backwards. It's a bit of a catch 22 for him as he needs more football to help him develop but he's got to justify being given more game time. He's not been doing that. Other youngsters have forced their way in through their performances, but Dozzell hasn't really had a good performance for us in some time now. He's got to do more when he is given a chance.
Personally I'd look to send him out on loan in January, in an ideal world maybe to a German or Dutch side rather than someone in League 1 or League 2. I think a spell abroad would do him good because (a) there's not going it be much pressure on him, (b) it would be a more technical league which would suit him, and (c) experiencing a different environment and being away from home might do him some good.
There's a player in there and if we let him go now we wouldn't get much of a fee for him. He's still very young and worth sticking with for now but we've got to work out how to develop him because what we're doing at the minute isn't working for him or us. |
Agree, i'm certainly not writing him off. | |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:36 - Oct 22 with 3615 views | PJH |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:03 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
I think this name thing has got a bit silly, it's clearly the flashes he shows combined with his international pedigree which is why those who rate him highly do so.
Although it appears more fans have turned on him now that rate him as everything has to be polarised |
I don't think the name has got anything to do with it, it might have helped him three years ago or so but not now.
We will never know how good he might have been had he not got that injury two and a bit years ago but the way he started that game against Birmingham he looked like he might become something special.
He has not yet got back to what he looked like being two years ago and not sure that he ever will but as you say, they must rate him in the England set up.
Regarding the OP I would start Huws tomorrow but I would have started Huws on Sunday. |  | | |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:37 - Oct 22 with 3607 views | SamWhiteUK |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:28 - Oct 22 by itfcjoe |
Of course it’s silly, Paul Lambert seemed him good and consistent enough to start only 2 days ago - do you think that is related to his name? |
He also offered very little and got hoicked off at half time. That wasn't to do with his name either, that was because of a lack of fight defensively, and no threat going forward. |  | | |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:49 - Oct 22 with 3545 views | TRUE_BLUE123 |
Midfield of
Skuse, Huws and Judge, in his correct position, behind Keane and Jackson (if Norwood isn't fit) |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 14:27 - Oct 22 with 3455 views | pablovian |
In my humble opinion, Dozzell for Downes is like playing with ten men.
Also:
(Judge AND Nolan) should be (Judge OR Nolan) or (Nolan) |  | | |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 14:42 - Oct 22 with 3411 views | BlueBadger |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 12:35 - Oct 22 by J2BLUE |
He has no divine right to start. Not being funny but if his name was Andy Durrell and he wasn't the son of a former player no one would be mentioning him. We'd be talking about where in league two he was going on loan.
Clearly a player with huge potential but his path to the first team shouldn't be handed to him. Our season is about promotion, not his development. |
At the moment, he looks like being talked about in the same breath as DEan Bowditch, rather than his dad, sadly. |  |
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| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 14:44 - Oct 22 with 3398 views | BlueBadger |
| Dozzell to start tomorrow if Downes is still out? on 13:34 - Oct 22 by Herbivore |
There's surely a pretty reasonable middle ground here. He's clearly a talent and he's undoubtedly been disrupted by being out of action for a year at a time where he was looking capable of really pushing for a regular place in the first team.
At the same time, he's not pushed on at all since his injury and if anything he's gone backwards. It's a bit of a catch 22 for him as he needs more football to help him develop but he's got to justify being given more game time. He's not been doing that. Other youngsters have forced their way in through their performances, but Dozzell hasn't really had a good performance for us in some time now. He's got to do more when he is given a chance.
Personally I'd look to send him out on loan in January, in an ideal world maybe to a German or Dutch side rather than someone in League 1 or League 2. I think a spell abroad would do him good because (a) there's not going it be much pressure on him, (b) it would be a more technical league which would suit him, and (c) experiencing a different environment and being away from home might do him some good.
There's a player in there and if we let him go now we wouldn't get much of a fee for him. He's still very young and worth sticking with for now but we've got to work out how to develop him because what we're doing at the minute isn't working for him or us. |
His injury came at literally the worst possible time for him. Mick was undoubtedly going to use his more two years ago and would have played him in, if not a pretty team, then a competent and functional one and then, when he was fit again he was basically used as a last throw of the dice in his personal PR by Hurst in a team that was sinking fast. | |
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