| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:37 - Nov 5 with 3003 views | tractordownsouth |
Well I never, Who’d have thought some residents of North Essex were bigots and racists? |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:38 - Nov 5 with 2998 views | chicoazul |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:37 - Nov 5 by tractordownsouth |
Well I never, Who’d have thought some residents of North Essex were bigots and racists? |
'Earlier this year Mr Hulme described north east Essex as “probably the most homophobic, racist, awful, place to live in this country”.' |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:41 - Nov 5 with 2973 views | Herbivore |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:37 - Nov 5 by tractordownsouth |
Well I never, Who’d have thought some residents of North Essex were bigots and racists? |
This. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:41 - Nov 5 with 2971 views | Herbivore |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:38 - Nov 5 by chicoazul |
'Earlier this year Mr Hulme described north east Essex as “probably the most homophobic, racist, awful, place to live in this country”.' |
I make him right. | |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:47 - Nov 5 with 2949 views | WD19 |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:38 - Nov 5 by chicoazul |
'Earlier this year Mr Hulme described north east Essex as “probably the most homophobic, racist, awful, place to live in this country”.' |
Whilst NE Essex is certainly punching in this regard, it is 'probably' nothing of the sort. I prescribe a quick jolly around Medway or Lincolnshire.
I am guessing he is 'probably' basing his observation on the few places he has previously lived. |  | | |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:48 - Nov 5 with 2947 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That’s not actually what he said though - he suggested hospitals should refuse treatment to anyone that themselves refused treatment from a doctor on race grounds. I can’t really see what’s wrong with that, personally
His other comment which you’ve linked I would challenge, but it isn’t really relevant to what he’s suggested |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:52 - Nov 5 with 2928 views | J2BLUE |
Speaking to ITV he said: “Should we be refusing treatment for people who specifically say they won’t have treatment from somebody of an ethnic background? My view is yes, we should.”
Quite right too. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:16 - Nov 5 with 2877 views | bluefunk |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:52 - Nov 5 by J2BLUE |
Speaking to ITV he said: “Should we be refusing treatment for people who specifically say they won’t have treatment from somebody of an ethnic background? My view is yes, we should.”
Quite right too. |
NHS - free to ALL at the point of treatment, even those whose views are different to yours (not defending them but there’s a fundamental principle at issue here) |  | | |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:24 - Nov 5 with 2861 views | FPL_Tractor |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:16 - Nov 5 by bluefunk |
NHS - free to ALL at the point of treatment, even those whose views are different to yours (not defending them but there’s a fundamental principle at issue here) |
But if someone refuses the treatment then that's their choice. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:32 - Nov 5 with 2835 views | itfcjoe |
Hang on a minute, that's a bit sensationalist from what he says. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, on 12:33 - Nov 5 with 2831 views | dissboy2 |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:24 - Nov 5 by FPL_Tractor |
But if someone refuses the treatment then that's their choice. |
people refusing treatment on grounds of skin colour or whatever must be mad, therefore should be treated for it!
mind you, some old folk say their hearing's bad so they don't understand accents. Though they seem to understand white Scots doctors ok [Post edited 5 Nov 2019 12:54]
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:42 - Nov 5 with 2804 views | J2BLUE |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:16 - Nov 5 by bluefunk |
NHS - free to ALL at the point of treatment, even those whose views are different to yours (not defending them but there’s a fundamental principle at issue here) |
No there isn't. They are being offered free treatment. If they choose to reject that treatment based on the NHS worker they should be told to do one. | |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:46 - Nov 5 with 2792 views | Herbivore |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:16 - Nov 5 by bluefunk |
NHS - free to ALL at the point of treatment, even those whose views are different to yours (not defending them but there’s a fundamental principle at issue here) |
If they refuse treatment due to prejudice then I don't see any obligation to offer alternative treatment. | |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:47 - Nov 5 with 2783 views | BrixtonBlue |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:32 - Nov 5 by itfcjoe |
Hang on a minute, that's a bit sensationalist from what he says. |
Chickers be trollin' |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:48 - Nov 5 with 2780 views | uefacup81 |
| People with, amongst others, on 12:33 - Nov 5 by dissboy2 |
people refusing treatment on grounds of skin colour or whatever must be mad, therefore should be treated for it!
mind you, some old folk say their hearing's bad so they don't understand accents. Though they seem to understand white Scots doctors ok [Post edited 5 Nov 2019 12:54]
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And I'm sure their hearing would soon pick up if the member of staff in question were to call them a "racist old codger" whilst speaking with a colleague 100yds away. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:57 - Nov 5 with 2737 views | noggin |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:47 - Nov 5 by WD19 |
Whilst NE Essex is certainly punching in this regard, it is 'probably' nothing of the sort. I prescribe a quick jolly around Medway or Lincolnshire.
I am guessing he is 'probably' basing his observation on the few places he has previously lived. |
Leeds is up there, in my experience. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 13:04 - Nov 5 with 2718 views | Pinewoodblue |
Only problem I have with this is that being a racist bigot is not exclusive to people to the right of centre. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 13:08 - Nov 5 with 2704 views | mrshallisfit |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:32 - Nov 5 by itfcjoe |
Hang on a minute, that's a bit sensationalist from what he says. |
Yes of course it is. Look who posted it. | | | |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 15:16 - Nov 5 with 2600 views | bluefunk |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:46 - Nov 5 by Herbivore |
If they refuse treatment due to prejudice then I don't see any obligation to offer alternative treatment. |
So, just as an example, would you be happy to withhold treatment to a child whose parents refuse to be treated by somone non-white?
This is a very slippery slope IMO | | | |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 15:26 - Nov 5 with 2581 views | GeoffSentence |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 11:48 - Nov 5 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
That’s not actually what he said though - he suggested hospitals should refuse treatment to anyone that themselves refused treatment from a doctor on race grounds. I can’t really see what’s wrong with that, personally
His other comment which you’ve linked I would challenge, but it isn’t really relevant to what he’s suggested |
It annoys me when people try misrepresent things in the way Chico has here. Thank you for correcting him. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 15:27 - Nov 5 with 2575 views | SpruceMoose |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 15:16 - Nov 5 by bluefunk |
So, just as an example, would you be happy to withhold treatment to a child whose parents refuse to be treated by somone non-white?
This is a very slippery slope IMO |
I'd be more interested in prosecuting the parents for willfully neglecting their child. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 16:18 - Nov 5 with 2501 views | jeera |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 12:57 - Nov 5 by noggin |
Leeds is up there, in my experience. |
It's rife everywhere isn't it, let's be honest.
Every part of this country, in every country, world-wide.
I hate it when I hear it and cannot fathom how or why people think the way they do.
With the mention of education elsewhere on the board, this is still a massive area some folk could do with a bit more help, but it's far from confined to those who haven't experienced a 'formal' education either unfortunately.
I think the worst place I've witnessed racism openly in recent years was somewhere between Burton and Uttoxeter, in a pub where a couple were loudly referring to black England players as monkeys. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 16:23 - Nov 5 with 2495 views | jeera |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 15:16 - Nov 5 by bluefunk |
So, just as an example, would you be happy to withhold treatment to a child whose parents refuse to be treated by somone non-white?
This is a very slippery slope IMO |
"...would you be happy to withhold treatment to a child whose parents refuse to be treated by somone non-white?"
No one is suggesting that - let's be honest.
But neither can a hospital be expected to tolerate abuse on any level and an act of pure racism - which a refusal to be treated by someone on racial grounds would be - is abuse.
And assuming no child is involved whoever it is can feck off back to where they came from. | |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 16:42 - Nov 5 with 2452 views | Swansea_Blue |
Not quite what he said. But I suppose people have a choice - if they refuse treatment because they can't stand to be near someone of a different race or gender, then their right to refuse treatment should be respected. It would be nice if it was that simple anyway. |  |
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| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 16:56 - Nov 5 with 2426 views | Herbivore |
| People with, amongst others, "right wing" views on 15:16 - Nov 5 by bluefunk |
So, just as an example, would you be happy to withhold treatment to a child whose parents refuse to be treated by somone non-white?
This is a very slippery slope IMO |
If an adult with capacity refuses to be treated by someone non-white they are simply refusing to be treated. You're attempting to try to create a slippery slope by throwing a child into the mix. If the situation was non-urgent I'd suggest that an application is made to make the child a ward of court so parental consent (or lack of) can be overridden. | |
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