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Socialist types 19:34 - Nov 6 with 12866 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

are some of the most annoying people ever to walk the planet. Especially those who all get the benefits of living in a capitalist society.

Why should people feel guilty for working hard being successful and earning lots of money? Not to mention they pay a lot more in tax. Listening to Corbyn makes me want to throw up.
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Socialist types on 20:09 - Nov 6 with 1237 viewsnoggin

Socialist types on 20:04 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

All what? I am saying more focus and more money into this and it absolutely should be funded, smartly, by taxes. I don't think I have said that rich people shouldn't pay tax have I? The notion that we shouldn't have such a disparity in society is nonsense though just because some people have worked their way to wealth. The free market actually gives people opportunity rather than restricting them, from all walks of life.


So if everyone worked hard, we could all be billionaires? Well you convinced me.

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Socialist types on 19:59 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth

It makes me laugh that some right wingers think there is a direct correlation between hard work/ importance of work and earnings and that people who do not earn much are lazy. Yet asking people to pay a little more to help people in poverty is ' idealistic'


Further austerity then by factual_blue 2 Nov 2019 12:35
The paradox is that Extremely Rich People seem to need more money to incentivise them, but those in poverty need to have less money to incentivise them.


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Socialist types on 20:10 - Nov 6 with 1235 viewsfactual_blue

Socialist types on 20:09 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Oh my god what a load of nonsense.


I take your detailed rebuttal as endorsement of my initial statement.

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Socialist types on 20:10 - Nov 6 with 1227 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose

I feel sorry for you that you think economic disparity in society is something that we need to tolerate.


How very idealistic.
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Socialist types on 20:11 - Nov 6 with 1224 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:08 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose

How did you expect this thread to go though? 90% of your posts on here are thinly veiled brags about how rich you are. So surely you weren't expecting an outpouring of sympathy?


Making things up, again.
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Socialist types on 20:11 - Nov 6 with 1224 viewsSpruceMoose

Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 by Funge

It would be forced, man.

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Well I guess once you were rich enough, you could start to bypass democratic processes. Your vote may technically be worth the same as anyone else, but, for example, when that last Koch brother wants to talk to the President, he just gets someone to pick up the phone for him and there he is on the end of the line. Money buys you access.

That's the real power of being a multi billionaire.

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Socialist types on 20:12 - Nov 6 with 1217 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:09 - Nov 6 by noggin

So if everyone worked hard, we could all be billionaires? Well you convinced me.


Where did you get that from?
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Socialist types on 20:12 - Nov 6 with 1215 viewsfooters

Socialist types on 20:08 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose

How did you expect this thread to go though? 90% of your posts on here are thinly veiled brags about how rich you are. So surely you weren't expecting an outpouring of sympathy?


So long as US kids are diagnosed with ADHD the cash will keep rollin' in. Proper benefit to society. And a lot of hard work, obvz.


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Socialist types on 20:12 - Nov 6 with 1212 viewstractordownsouth

Socialist types on 20:02 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue

A billion quid is a lot of money. A labour spokesman said "“I don't think anyone in this country should be a billionaire”. So that's a clear statement that he wishes to cap how much money somebody has. That is completely different to wanting people to pay more tax.

As for not wanting a non capitalist society.....

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/uk-politics-44189922/john-mcdonnell-says-overthrow


He said he wants socialism, which is still a form of capitalism. He's been inaccurate with his definitions, and I won't defend that.

Oxford Dictionary definition of capitalism: an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.

He clearly isn't going to control all of Britain's trade and industry, so he isn't going to " overthrow capitalism"

As for the billionaire thing, is it going to be in the manifesto? No it won't be. I don't understand why people are getting upset about hypothetical situations in which billionaires have their wealth capped?

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Socialist types on 20:13 - Nov 6 with 1210 viewsSpruceMoose

Socialist types on 20:10 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

How very idealistic.


Again, I feel sorry for you if you genuinely feel that way. For someone so fabulously wealthy, you seem extremely insecure with it.

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Socialist types on 20:14 - Nov 6 with 1206 viewsfooters

Socialist types on 20:09 - Nov 6 by noggin

So if everyone worked hard, we could all be billionaires? Well you convinced me.


Maybe if you're paid in Turkish Lira.

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Socialist types on 20:14 - Nov 6 with 1205 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:10 - Nov 6 by factual_blue

I take your detailed rebuttal as endorsement of my initial statement.


Take it as how you want.
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Socialist types on 20:15 - Nov 6 with 1197 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:13 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose

Again, I feel sorry for you if you genuinely feel that way. For someone so fabulously wealthy, you seem extremely insecure with it.


What's with all these personal attacks? I am not fabulously wealthy. I just get to you a bit I think.
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Socialist types on 20:15 - Nov 6 with 1195 viewsjeera

Socialist types on 20:13 - Nov 6 by SpruceMoose

Again, I feel sorry for you if you genuinely feel that way. For someone so fabulously wealthy, you seem extremely insecure with it.


The constant need is embarrassing.

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Socialist types on 20:16 - Nov 6 with 1186 viewsFunge

Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 by GlasgowBlue

I agree that nobody "needs" that amount of money but it's a bi product of owning or running a multi national successful company that employs millions of people in the country.

Branson for example, is a billionaire. Now when he started flogging records out of the boot of his car he didn't imagine the billions he would be worth but imagine this country without his contribution to culture and travel. Bill Gates in US is a multi billionaire. How many billions does he give to good causes.

Tax people by all means, which is a completely different subject.
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Philanthropy is a fine endeavour, no doubt.

But it's all relative though. Branson has billions, so can afford to give millions. Joe Bloggs has thousands, so can afford to give hundreds/ tenners/ pocket change etc....

Financially, of course Branson's donations will have more impact - yet should we disregard the much more numerous, smaller donations given by those who have less?

Warren Buffett acknowledges that he has far, far more money than he can ever afford to spend, so will give the majority of it away when he dies. He's in the minority of the super-wealthy with this mindset, though.

If we all do what we can, it makes it a bit better for everyone, or something.
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Socialist types on 20:16 - Nov 6 with 1189 viewsIllinoisblue

Socialist types on 20:06 - Nov 6 by factual_blue

It's just that some people are really suckered by the American Dream, which is and only ever was social control to keep the numerous poor of the US content with their lot with the utterly false notion that 'anybody can become President'.


(Although trumpy-wumpy has shown an allied concept to be true; that a nobody can become President).


it all depends on your definition of 'dream', of course. But there's no doubt America is still seen around the globe as the land of opportunity. At my citizenship cermony last year, there were 67 people from 43 different countries chasing their dream. Which is uplifting and impressive - even if some of those dreams may end up being scraping a living on minimum wage at the start of their dream.

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Socialist types on 20:17 - Nov 6 with 1184 viewsjeera

Socialist types on 20:15 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

What's with all these personal attacks? I am not fabulously wealthy. I just get to you a bit I think.


You just come across as an absolute tool mate.



Edited: Actually I take this bit [removed] back - there was no need for me to be so personal. Sorry for that. The rest I stand by.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2019 20:55]

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Socialist types on 20:17 - Nov 6 with 1182 viewsfactual_blue

Socialist types on 20:00 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

You're putting words in my mouth. The end of the day some people will be successful, some won't, we can't all be equal. I think a lot of it is being smart, taking calculated risks and working hard to make your way up. Overall I do believe in a meritocracy doesn't mean everyone else has to agree with me. Of course some people will be born in tougher circumstances but a lot manage to work there way out of it.

The UK Tax payer does pay more money the money they make, Just like out here, earnings based in certain tax brackets, correct? We need to be smart with that money though. The burden should not just be on the wealthy, whatever wealthy is these days.


The only way most people in the USA 'escape' poverty is by going to prison.

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Socialist types on 20:10 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior

How very idealistic.


And there we have it...

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Socialist types on 20:17 - Nov 6 with 1182 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:15 - Nov 6 by jeera

The constant need is embarrassing.


You're the only people who have talked about me! As usual. I just came on to talk politics. Check the thread
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Socialist types on 20:18 - Nov 6 with 1169 viewsGlasgowBlue

Socialist types on 20:16 - Nov 6 by Funge

Philanthropy is a fine endeavour, no doubt.

But it's all relative though. Branson has billions, so can afford to give millions. Joe Bloggs has thousands, so can afford to give hundreds/ tenners/ pocket change etc....

Financially, of course Branson's donations will have more impact - yet should we disregard the much more numerous, smaller donations given by those who have less?

Warren Buffett acknowledges that he has far, far more money than he can ever afford to spend, so will give the majority of it away when he dies. He's in the minority of the super-wealthy with this mindset, though.

If we all do what we can, it makes it a bit better for everyone, or something.


I don't disagree with any of that.

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Socialist types on 20:16 - Nov 6 by Illinoisblue

it all depends on your definition of 'dream', of course. But there's no doubt America is still seen around the globe as the land of opportunity. At my citizenship cermony last year, there were 67 people from 43 different countries chasing their dream. Which is uplifting and impressive - even if some of those dreams may end up being scraping a living on minimum wage at the start of their dream.


As the song says
'In America, every man is free
To take care of his home and his family'.

The implication is, of course, that doing so is all that there is for him.

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Socialist types on 20:20 - Nov 6 with 1167 viewsJoey_Joe_Joe_Junior

Socialist types on 20:17 - Nov 6 by jeera

You just come across as an absolute tool mate.



Edited: Actually I take this bit [removed] back - there was no need for me to be so personal. Sorry for that. The rest I stand by.
[Post edited 6 Nov 2019 20:55]


And you by the sounds of it, whoever you are.
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Socialist types on 20:25 - Nov 6 with 1157 viewsfactual_blue

Socialist types on 20:03 - Nov 6 by footers

So you're arguing for a flat tax rate?


He is - a flat rate of zero for moderately affluent white people. Taxes are for little people.*




*I've never been sure if that quote is about dwarf-hatred.

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Socialist types on 20:47 - Nov 6 with 1129 viewsZedRodgers

I can assure you it's not your modest wealth that we're coming for. There's no need to be afraid.

However, if I have misjudged you and you do happen to be a billionaire, I look forward to enjoying your wealth and taking your cow.

No, not at the moment

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