| Socialist types 19:34 - Nov 6 with 13006 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
are some of the most annoying people ever to walk the planet. Especially those who all get the benefits of living in a capitalist society.
Why should people feel guilty for working hard being successful and earning lots of money? Not to mention they pay a lot more in tax. Listening to Corbyn makes me want to throw up. |  | | |  |
| Socialist types on 20:52 - Nov 6 with 2885 views | footers |
| Socialist types on 20:47 - Nov 6 by ZedRodgers |
I can assure you it's not your modest wealth that we're coming for. There's no need to be afraid.
However, if I have misjudged you and you do happen to be a billionaire, I look forward to enjoying your wealth and taking your cow. |
No need to bring his wife into it. |  |
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| Socialist types on 21:21 - Nov 6 with 2843 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Socialist types on 20:47 - Nov 6 by ZedRodgers |
I can assure you it's not your modest wealth that we're coming for. There's no need to be afraid.
However, if I have misjudged you and you do happen to be a billionaire, I look forward to enjoying your wealth and taking your cow. |
This is the successful tack of the right.
!Watch out they are coming after your money."
My sister complained that the proposed mansion tax would unfairly hit my mum's wealth. What she misjudged was the fact her house was never going to be valued at over £1M and if she chooses to remain living on her own in a 4 bed detached house and can afford to pay, why shouldn't she pay a little more anyway? |  |
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| Socialist types on 21:36 - Nov 6 with 2824 views | ZedRodgers |
| Socialist types on 21:21 - Nov 6 by Nthsuffolkblue |
This is the successful tack of the right.
!Watch out they are coming after your money."
My sister complained that the proposed mansion tax would unfairly hit my mum's wealth. What she misjudged was the fact her house was never going to be valued at over £1M and if she chooses to remain living on her own in a 4 bed detached house and can afford to pay, why shouldn't she pay a little more anyway? |
I genuinely believe it's a combination of people being misinformed about policy and some people's desperation to project themselves as being in, or within touching distance of the top 5%.
The former is frustrating but the latter I find quite sad. |  |
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| Socialist types on 21:45 - Nov 6 with 2809 views | sparks |
| Socialist types on 21:36 - Nov 6 by ZedRodgers |
I genuinely believe it's a combination of people being misinformed about policy and some people's desperation to project themselves as being in, or within touching distance of the top 5%.
The former is frustrating but the latter I find quite sad. |
err the suggestion, additionally, is to remove inheritance tax and allow £125k lifetime allowance only. So it will hit her presumably... |  |
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| Socialist types on 21:51 - Nov 6 with 2801 views | monytowbray |
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| Socialist types on 22:02 - Nov 6 with 2780 views | Nthsuffolkblue |
| Socialist types on 21:45 - Nov 6 by sparks |
err the suggestion, additionally, is to remove inheritance tax and allow £125k lifetime allowance only. So it will hit her presumably... |
The mansion tax? That's what she was complaining about - not the current policy.
I can understand the £125k lifetime allowance would hit more people in terms of inheritance. However, it is proposed policy and with my 7 siblings it would mean we would all get our share of Mum's £1M savings including the value of her home tax free.
By-the-way I am being deliberately inaccurate with some details but the headline would be read by many as she can only leave £125K tax free whereas it is actually a proposal you can only inherit from that one individual a maximum of £125K [EDIT: before paying some tax on what you get above that] which is quite different unless you are a single child. [Post edited 6 Nov 2019 22:06]
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| Socialist types on 22:08 - Nov 6 with 2775 views | Darth_Koont |
| Socialist types on 19:47 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
The UK does have rich people and people in poverty. His argument is that people at the top should bear the burden of taxation to help people out of poverty, rather than people who are in low paid work ( many of whom are in poverty themselves.) Under Labour's tax plan, someone earning £85,000 per year would pay an extra £21 in tax per month, hardly revolutionary stuff.
And going back to your previous point about working hard, surely you don't believe that all people in poverty don't work hard? |
To be fair, billionaires do work a 40 million hour week. |  |
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| Socialist types on 22:12 - Nov 6 with 2761 views | Herbivore |
| Socialist types on 21:45 - Nov 6 by sparks |
err the suggestion, additionally, is to remove inheritance tax and allow £125k lifetime allowance only. So it will hit her presumably... |
If someone gifted me £125k I don't think I'd complain about some tax being paid on it. That's a fair chunk of money. |  |
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| Socialist types on 22:37 - Nov 6 with 2725 views | tractordownsouth |
| Socialist types on 21:45 - Nov 6 by sparks |
err the suggestion, additionally, is to remove inheritance tax and allow £125k lifetime allowance only. So it will hit her presumably... |
Another thing I don't understand is how Tories can square their disapproval of inheritance tax with their belief that society is a meritocracy and that work = reward |  |
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| Socialist types on 22:39 - Nov 6 with 2714 views | footers |
| Socialist types on 22:12 - Nov 6 by Herbivore |
If someone gifted me £125k I don't think I'd complain about some tax being paid on it. That's a fair chunk of money. |
sparks seems awfully upset about things that may affect him recently, see also SUVs.
Touched a nerve, maybe. | |
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| Socialist types on 22:50 - Nov 6 with 2691 views | Herbivore |
| Socialist types on 22:37 - Nov 6 by tractordownsouth |
Another thing I don't understand is how Tories can square their disapproval of inheritance tax with their belief that society is a meritocracy and that work = reward |
They don't have a consistent ideology, more a loose set of ideas designed to maintain positions of privilege for those that already have it. | |
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| Socialist types on 23:02 - Nov 6 with 2665 views | Swansea_Blue |
BILLIONAIRES. Billions. Do people actually stop and think about how much a billion is when we’re having these discussions? We’re not talking millionaires here, who would be considered very wealthy by most people.
A billion is 35.7 THOUSAND times the average full time annual wage.
If you were to count out one million seconds it would take you 11.5 days. To count a billion seconds would take 31.7 YEARS.
Anyone who thinks that level of wealth isn’t obscene when kids are going hungry through school holidays has got serious detachment and empathy issues.
Besides, Britain only has 151 billionaires, the vast majority of whom are tax exiles domiciled overseas. Defending a few people who have made their fortunes in the UK and then moved their wealth offshore to avoid contributing at the same rate as the rest of us is just bizarre. How have the Tories managed to persuade poor people to be cheerleaders for the ultra-rich is one of life’s mysteries. |  |
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| Socialist types on 23:13 - Nov 6 with 2652 views | Swansea_Blue |
I hadn’t got this far when I joined the thread so hadn’t seen this, but yes this. This and more this. Times, er, I guess 1 billion would be appropriate.
I can’t wrap my head around it. Maggie’s fault I reckon. Some twot earns enough to buy a nearly new Porsche Boxter (probably whilst still owing the bank for their house) and think they’ve made it and are part of the rich elite. Or something 🤷â€â™‚ï¸ | |
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| Socialist types on 23:18 - Nov 6 with 2645 views | factual_blue |
| Socialist types on 21:36 - Nov 6 by ZedRodgers |
I genuinely believe it's a combination of people being misinformed about policy and some people's desperation to project themselves as being in, or within touching distance of the top 5%.
The former is frustrating but the latter I find quite sad. |
Facebook makes all of this worse. Whilst not in quite the same league, but nonetheless illustrating the point, a girl was a while ago caught out taking photos of meals through the windows of posh restaurants and pretending she was eating there. |  |
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| Socialist types on 23:20 - Nov 6 with 2640 views | BLUEBEAT |
| Socialist types on 19:40 - Nov 6 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Corbyn constantly goes on about the UK having rich people and the UK having people in poverty, he's an old school socialist and you know it. Unfortunately it won't fly or work in 2019 though. |
Socialism will never work in this country now as it is too immersed in greed culture and legacy.
Living life to Socialist values in a forward-thinking caring society would work, though. |  |
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| Socialist types on 23:21 - Nov 6 with 2639 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Socialist types on 22:08 - Nov 6 by Darth_Koont |
To be fair, billionaires do work a 40 million hour week. |
That’s another thing. The Tories have been talking about driving away the ‘wealth creators’. It’s the friggin workers who are creating these people’s wealth for them. WE are the wealth creators, and then some flash Harry knobhead dicks off overseas with it and his sh*tty plastic f***ing hoovers, whilst playing the faux patriot act. 
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| Socialist types on 23:30 - Nov 6 with 2627 views | StokieBlue |
I would argue that boiling any subject or view down to a singular point can be nothing more than an generalisation and thus is both pointless and silly. One could go further and say it's unhelpful to the debate and stokes division.
You should address the points made on merit not bluster. For instance, one doesn't need to feel guilty for earning a lot of money if one is putting their share back into the societal pot.
Nowadays people seem to want to make subjects and motives mutually exclusive when in reality a sensible approach would be to have a melding of many subjects and motives to come up with something that works for everyone.
I don't agree with a lot of what JC and McDonnell say (especially McDonnell) but that doesn't mean there isn't a baseline truth in what they are saying - they just often take a bit far for me personally. This is where a melding of ideas is required rather then the exclusivity.
The country is pretty farked at the moment - we need ideas and debate.
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| Socialist types on 00:08 - Nov 7 with 2596 views | jaykay |
mansion tax is that something that wont worry you , as. you are dead
bedroom tax that's something to worry about if you are poor and living. |  |
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| Socialist types on 00:25 - Nov 7 with 2580 views | Oldsmoker |
Top trolling marks Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior.
You're on my "First one against the wall when the revolution comes" list.
That list is in the thousands now. |  |
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| Socialist types on 07:49 - Nov 7 with 2501 views | crunchie1978 |
To quell your gag re flux try listening to corybnovs brother.....you can see where all the brains went in that family! |  | | |
| Socialist types on 09:13 - Nov 7 with 2463 views | monytowbray |
| Socialist types on 07:49 - Nov 7 by crunchie1978 |
To quell your gag re flux try listening to corybnovs brother.....you can see where all the brains went in that family! |
ok boomer | |
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| Socialist types on 09:25 - Nov 7 with 2452 views | Oldsmoker |
| Socialist types on 23:21 - Nov 6 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s another thing. The Tories have been talking about driving away the ‘wealth creators’. It’s the friggin workers who are creating these people’s wealth for them. WE are the wealth creators, and then some flash Harry knobhead dicks off overseas with it and his sh*tty plastic f***ing hoovers, whilst playing the faux patriot act.
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Not so much Wealth Creators but more like Wealth Takers.
Money given to the low-paid gets spent in the shops and that attracts VAT so some of the money goes back to the Treasury to be spent again. If it's placed off-shore it never gets spent again in this country. | |
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| Socialist types on 09:37 - Nov 7 with 2443 views | Herbivore |
| Socialist types on 23:21 - Nov 6 by Swansea_Blue |
That’s another thing. The Tories have been talking about driving away the ‘wealth creators’. It’s the friggin workers who are creating these people’s wealth for them. WE are the wealth creators, and then some flash Harry knobhead dicks off overseas with it and his sh*tty plastic f***ing hoovers, whilst playing the faux patriot act.
Rant over |
Anyone using the term 'wealth creator' to describe what is essentially a parasite needs to be directed to some good old school Marxian economic theory, in particular the notion of surplus value. | |
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| Socialist types on 19:30 - Nov 7 with 2377 views | Leaky |
| Socialist types on 19:39 - Nov 6 by noggin |
So you think hoarding money is ok when others are starving? Ah yes, I just remembered where you live. |
Tell me is saving for old age hoarding
Is saving for a rainy day hoarding
Or do we give it all away. & hope the people you give it to help you out in old age. Sorry socialism doesnt work |  | | |
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