| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:29 - Nov 7 with 4356 views | BigManBlue |
Come on Jez, let's just remain. You know you want to... |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 with 4342 views | chicoazul |
I'm always interested in Marxist positions on freedom of movement and how it impacts the working classes' lives both in countries of origin and the country they work in. |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 with 4341 views | StokieBlue |
Interesting.
I'm not sure how that is going to win over voters in leave constituencies though who tend to cite freedom of movement as one of their main issues.
Given Labour also want to remain in a customs union as part of their deal (I assume that's still correct), if they also retain freedom of movement what is the point in leaving at all? Surely it's remain in all but name at that point so it might as well be remain full stop?
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:37 - Nov 7 with 4294 views | Herbivore |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
I'm always interested in Marxist positions on freedom of movement and how it impacts the working classes' lives both in countries of origin and the country they work in. |
Marxism should be a global (or at least regional) movement, so really no issue here. Unless of course you don't understand what Marxism is and consider centre and centre left political parties that still espouse a capitalist economic model to be Marxist. I'm sure it's not the latter, you're a sharp cookie. |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:38 - Nov 7 with 4298 views | longtimefan |
To me that will play straight into the Conservatives "Brexit in name only" rhetoric and enhance the Lib Dems campaign as the only real party of remain. |  | | |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:40 - Nov 7 with 4290 views | pointofblue |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:38 - Nov 7 by longtimefan |
To me that will play straight into the Conservatives "Brexit in name only" rhetoric and enhance the Lib Dems campaign as the only real party of remain. |
I agree - they’re aiming for the best of both worlds and failing. | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:54 - Nov 7 with 4250 views | tractordownsouth |
This won't have much impact on our overall control, as the EU citizens travel directive means we can deport people if they do not have enough capital to support themselves or a job after 3 months, but frustratingly, nobody in the Labour party makes this argument. Unfortunately I think these type of headlines will only be ammunition for the Tories. |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:56 - Nov 7 with 4233 views | BackToRussia |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
I'm always interested in Marxist positions on freedom of movement and how it impacts the working classes' lives both in countries of origin and the country they work in. |
Marxists like Tony Blair you mean? |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:58 - Nov 7 with 4229 views | tractordownsouth |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 by chicoazul |
I'm always interested in Marxist positions on freedom of movement and how it impacts the working classes' lives both in countries of origin and the country they work in. |
I'm not a marxist, but from a left wing perspective I do find it difficult as it can impact negatively on host countries. However, I support people's freedom to move across borders in search of a better life for themselves and as net contributors to the EU, I think we make up for the loss of skills in poorer economies by investing in projects abroad. However, I do agree with you that immigration is not all rosy in that regard. | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 12:59 - Nov 7 with 4132 views | TractorWood |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 by StokieBlue |
Interesting.
I'm not sure how that is going to win over voters in leave constituencies though who tend to cite freedom of movement as one of their main issues.
Given Labour also want to remain in a customs union as part of their deal (I assume that's still correct), if they also retain freedom of movement what is the point in leaving at all? Surely it's remain in all but name at that point so it might as well be remain full stop?
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It's almost like he wants to sit on the fence? |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:09 - Nov 7 with 4103 views | tractordownsouth |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 12:59 - Nov 7 by TractorWood |
It's almost like he wants to sit on the fence? |
Or that there's nuance in the position, which isn't reduced to meaningless slogans like " Get Brexit done" or " Clean break"
I've consistently criticised Labour's Brexit position in the last 2 years, but I think they've finally got it right. | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:30 - Nov 7 with 4066 views | TractorWood |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:09 - Nov 7 by tractordownsouth |
Or that there's nuance in the position, which isn't reduced to meaningless slogans like " Get Brexit done" or " Clean break"
I've consistently criticised Labour's Brexit position in the last 2 years, but I think they've finally got it right. |
Don't get me wrong, I'm a remainer and have been disgusted with the Tories (particularly BoJo) over the last few years. I think the Lib Dem's will take a large chunk of remainers and the Tories will retain the middle class, ardent leavers and huge amount of people who just want to see the back of it.
I worry Corbyn's position isn't clear enough to even tempt Tories and remainers who want to stay at all costs. His position may make sense at prima facie but it doesn't feel like it will appeal to anyone beyond Labour's core support. [Post edited 7 Nov 2019 13:31]
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:32 - Nov 7 with 4057 views | Tangledupin_Blue |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:29 - Nov 7 by BigManBlue |
Come on Jez, let's just remain. You know you want to... |
Yes he wants to.
He has been critical of EU down the years and believes that we should improve the EU from within. Before the 2016 referendum he made speeches saying thet there is an 'overwhelming case' to remain.Then he voted to remain. |  |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:39 - Nov 7 with 4034 views | BigManBlue |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:32 - Nov 7 by Tangledupin_Blue |
Yes he wants to.
He has been critical of EU down the years and believes that we should improve the EU from within. Before the 2016 referendum he made speeches saying thet there is an 'overwhelming case' to remain.Then he voted to remain. |
Totally agree, to be honest if he came out in full support of revoking article 50 I'd be chuffed to bits. Currently tangled in the maze of applying to live abroad long term post-Brexit so this would, selfishly, save me a lot of trouble! | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 13:39 - Nov 7 with 4035 views | ElephantintheRoom |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:30 - Nov 7 by StokieBlue |
Interesting.
I'm not sure how that is going to win over voters in leave constituencies though who tend to cite freedom of movement as one of their main issues.
Given Labour also want to remain in a customs union as part of their deal (I assume that's still correct), if they also retain freedom of movement what is the point in leaving at all? Surely it's remain in all but name at that point so it might as well be remain full stop?
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The point of leaving the EU whilst staying in a customs union is to leave the political union which we did not have a referendum to join whist staying in the economic market that we did. Seems entirely logical with the added bonus of a referendum to voice your opposition or support | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 14:41 - Nov 7 with 3934 views | chicoazul |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 11:58 - Nov 7 by tractordownsouth |
I'm not a marxist, but from a left wing perspective I do find it difficult as it can impact negatively on host countries. However, I support people's freedom to move across borders in search of a better life for themselves and as net contributors to the EU, I think we make up for the loss of skills in poorer economies by investing in projects abroad. However, I do agree with you that immigration is not all rosy in that regard. |
The Maximum Leader and his outriders are all Marxists though, so like I say I am interested in hearing their arguments on this. | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 15:05 - Nov 7 with 3905 views | StokieBlue |
Any thoughts on McDonnell's offerings today Zed?
That would seem to be another 150bn on top of all the commitments in the last manifesto and the known 250bn fund. Given the renationalisation is going to cost 50-100bn as well these numbers are starting to add up.
The analysts are saying it far exceeds any previous Labour spending pledges of any Labour government. The grey book should be interesting at least.
Also, what exactly does he mean by this?
"The centre of gravity, of political gravity, is shifting away from London. It's coming back home to the North"
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:07 - Nov 7 with 3822 views | Herbivore |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:02 - Nov 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Maybe he's talking about the Althing in Thingvellir 
In rough terms there doesn't appear to be much of a difference between the amounts being promised (whether they are actually delivered is another matter of course). How they are going to be afforded will be an interesting sell. Labour obviously want to borrow and increase taxation, the Tories seem to want to do it all through borrowing. Not sure how that's going to sit alongside their attacks on Labour for financial recklessness. |
The Tories are promising tax cuts as well as increased spending. Hard to see how they square that circle. | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:12 - Nov 7 with 3813 views | hampstead_blue |
basically they will keep us in the EU without any power or voting rights....
Right on JC. You sure know how to do it. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:18 - Nov 7 with 3795 views | Herbivore |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:12 - Nov 7 by hampstead_blue |
basically they will keep us in the EU without any power or voting rights....
Right on JC. You sure know how to do it. |
They'll give us a second referendum and we'll remain, which is quite clearly the best outcome available right now. | |
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:35 - Nov 7 with 3756 views | hampstead_blue |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:18 - Nov 7 by Herbivore |
They'll give us a second referendum and we'll remain, which is quite clearly the best outcome available right now. |
When the EU wsa launched it was with the intention of an economic trading area.
What it's morphed into is an enlarged state. Effectively members are mere players who get played by Germany and France.
If we can go back to a trading block without everything which has been quietly added on then I'll be there.
The EU as a trading block is powerful and compelling. As it is and will become? No way.
It's grown into something other than it was meant to be which is sad. | |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:43 - Nov 7 with 3735 views | J2BLUE |
| Labour to retain freedom of movement on 16:35 - Nov 7 by hampstead_blue |
When the EU wsa launched it was with the intention of an economic trading area.
What it's morphed into is an enlarged state. Effectively members are mere players who get played by Germany and France.
If we can go back to a trading block without everything which has been quietly added on then I'll be there.
The EU as a trading block is powerful and compelling. As it is and will become? No way.
It's grown into something other than it was meant to be which is sad. |
Does the UK get played by Germany and France? Aren't we one of the big 3? |  |
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