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So any US trade deal then 10:27 - Nov 27 with 1325 viewsSteve_M

Corbyn claiming he has leaked documents which detail how thew UK intends to accept US demands.





And as a genuine trade expert writes:




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So any US trade deal then on 10:32 - Nov 27 with 811 viewsHerbivore

This should be the end of Johnson and the Tories, not only have they lied but they are heading towards destroying the NHS. It won't make a jot of difference though, sadly.

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So any US trade deal then on 10:36 - Nov 27 with 802 viewsgiant_ullaa

Hope this helps turn things around.

Has anyone ever looked at their own postings for last day or so? Oh my... so sorry.
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So any US trade deal then on 10:37 - Nov 27 with 801 viewsSomethingBlue

So any US trade deal then on 10:32 - Nov 27 by Herbivore

This should be the end of Johnson and the Tories, not only have they lied but they are heading towards destroying the NHS. It won't make a jot of difference though, sadly.


The problem is that if it comes from Corbyn's mouth then many, many people will just edit it out. And I get that ... but what an appalling state to be in.
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So any US trade deal then on 10:38 - Nov 27 with 792 viewschicoazul

Anyone who doesn't think the NHS would be "on the table" in trade talks with anyone, anywhere, but especially the USA, is insane.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.
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So any US trade deal then on 10:42 - Nov 27 with 776 viewsJakeITFC

Should be a national scandal but presumably won’t be because the IRA and Marxism or whatever.
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So any US trade deal then on 10:43 - Nov 27 with 770 viewsGuthrum

So any US trade deal then on 10:38 - Nov 27 by chicoazul

Anyone who doesn't think the NHS would be "on the table" in trade talks with anyone, anywhere, but especially the USA, is insane.


Indeed, how many other saleable assets do we have?

Good Lord! Whatever is it?
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So any US trade deal then on 10:45 - Nov 27 with 761 viewsStokieBlue

Rubbish from the Tories once again. Going to assume the documents are genuine in which case Boris has rather a lot of explaining to do.

Again.

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[Post edited 27 Nov 2019 10:46]

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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So any US trade deal then on 10:46 - Nov 27 with 751 viewsfactual_blue

Can't see matt hanCOCK turning up on my doorstep any time soon then.

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So any US trade deal then on 10:51 - Nov 27 with 727 viewsflimflam

So any US trade deal then on 10:45 - Nov 27 by StokieBlue

Rubbish from the Tories once again. Going to assume the documents are genuine in which case Boris has rather a lot of explaining to do.

Again.

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[Post edited 27 Nov 2019 10:46]


Has anyone actually seen or read the contents yet before having a meltdown?
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So any US trade deal then on 10:52 - Nov 27 with 726 viewsJakeITFC

So any US trade deal then on 10:38 - Nov 27 by chicoazul

Anyone who doesn't think the NHS would be "on the table" in trade talks with anyone, anywhere, but especially the USA, is insane.


The problem with this argument is that the public, in voting for brexit, weren’t knowingly voting for a trade deal with the USA in which our health service would be a very lucrative pawn. A huge chain of shiitheads dominoes were set off with that core unknowingly.

These documents (if as stated) go some way to showing that this was a planned part of the game - it’s just not on and as such this should be very public knowledge.
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So any US trade deal then on 10:57 - Nov 27 with 706 viewsGuthrum

So any US trade deal then on 10:51 - Nov 27 by flimflam

Has anyone actually seen or read the contents yet before having a meltdown?


The fact that a government which categorically denies the NHS will be on the table in any trade deal has been actively negotiating with that as a bargaining chip is bad enough, whatever the substance of any agreements.

Good Lord! Whatever is it?
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So any US trade deal then on 10:57 - Nov 27 with 700 viewsStokieBlue

So any US trade deal then on 10:51 - Nov 27 by flimflam

Has anyone actually seen or read the contents yet before having a meltdown?


Nobody is having a meltdown. I've said if it's genuine and describes what has been written then he has some explaining to do.

You don't agree that is the case?

SB

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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So any US trade deal then on 10:59 - Nov 27 with 675 viewschicoazul

So any US trade deal then on 10:43 - Nov 27 by Guthrum

Indeed, how many other saleable assets do we have?


Exactly. And yet people still think it magically wont happen.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.
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So any US trade deal then on 10:59 - Nov 27 with 678 viewsDanTheMan

So any US trade deal then on 10:45 - Nov 27 by StokieBlue

Rubbish from the Tories once again. Going to assume the documents are genuine in which case Boris has rather a lot of explaining to do.

Again.

SB
[Post edited 27 Nov 2019 10:46]


But we all know it won't matter, because lies don't actually make a difference any more.

He could be filmed mugging someone at knife point and it wouldn't make a difference.

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So any US trade deal then on 11:01 - Nov 27 with 662 viewschicoazul

So any US trade deal then on 10:52 - Nov 27 by JakeITFC

The problem with this argument is that the public, in voting for brexit, weren’t knowingly voting for a trade deal with the USA in which our health service would be a very lucrative pawn. A huge chain of shiitheads dominoes were set off with that core unknowingly.

These documents (if as stated) go some way to showing that this was a planned part of the game - it’s just not on and as such this should be very public knowledge.


It should be you're right. But it is very very obvious to anyone with half a brain that the NHS, as Guthrum says one of our very few remaining assets, would of course be on the table post-Brexit. People just didnt think it through.

Words are a medium that reduces reality to abstraction for transmission to our reason, and in their power to corrode reality inevitably lurks the danger that the words will be corroded too. It might be more appropriate, in fact, to liken their action to excessive stomach fluids that digest and gradually eat away the stomach itself.
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So any US trade deal then on 11:02 - Nov 27 with 647 viewsStokieBlue

So any US trade deal then on 10:59 - Nov 27 by DanTheMan

But we all know it won't matter, because lies don't actually make a difference any more.

He could be filmed mugging someone at knife point and it wouldn't make a difference.


Unfortunately this seems to be the case for most sides on most subjects.

Depressing isn't it.

SB
[Post edited 27 Nov 2019 11:03]

“You may not feel outstandingly robust, but if you are an average-sized adult you will contain within your modest frame no less than 7 X 10^18 joules of potential energy—enough to explode with the force of thirty very large hydrogen bombs, assuming you knew how to liberate it and really wished to make a point."

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So any US trade deal then on 11:07 - Nov 27 with 607 viewsflimflam

So any US trade deal then on 10:57 - Nov 27 by StokieBlue

Nobody is having a meltdown. I've said if it's genuine and describes what has been written then he has some explaining to do.

You don't agree that is the case?

SB


Which I totally agree with.

No doubt the entire document will be pulled apart in the next 24 hours by all sides so will wait and see how it all falls but sounds like a massive own goal if what is being claimed is in fact true.
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So any US trade deal then on 11:07 - Nov 27 with 607 viewsIpswichKnight

The documents are online now

https://order-order.com/2019/11/27/excl-read-full-corbyns-unredacted-trade-docum
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So any US trade deal then on 11:09 - Nov 27 with 594 viewshomer_123

So any US trade deal then on 10:45 - Nov 27 by StokieBlue

Rubbish from the Tories once again. Going to assume the documents are genuine in which case Boris has rather a lot of explaining to do.

Again.

SB
[Post edited 27 Nov 2019 10:46]


And yet it'll be deflected and people will be moved onto something else.

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So any US trade deal then on 11:10 - Nov 27 with 591 viewshomer_123

So any US trade deal then on 10:32 - Nov 27 by Herbivore

This should be the end of Johnson and the Tories, not only have they lied but they are heading towards destroying the NHS. It won't make a jot of difference though, sadly.


No offence Herbs but the end of the Tories should have come a long time ago. The fact of the matter is - they'll end up with a sodding majority.

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So any US trade deal then on 11:10 - Nov 27 with 586 viewsBloomBlue

So any US trade deal then on 10:38 - Nov 27 by chicoazul

Anyone who doesn't think the NHS would be "on the table" in trade talks with anyone, anywhere, but especially the USA, is insane.


I don't have a problem with it, if we can get the same quality of drugs cheaper from the US which saves the NHS money I'm all for it.

We're stuck in a non radical world, Germans, Dutch people seem very very happy with their health service which is very much private/public. I've always felt we should look at all options.
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So any US trade deal then on 11:12 - Nov 27 with 573 viewsDanTheMan

So any US trade deal then on 11:02 - Nov 27 by StokieBlue

Unfortunately this seems to be the case for most sides on most subjects.

Depressing isn't it.

SB
[Post edited 27 Nov 2019 11:03]


I'm not sure that's entirely true. Sure, some people will do the same for Corbyn but you only need to look at the front pages of the newspaper to see he certainly gets a fair share of criticism. I'd say the same also goes for Swinson.

Maybe that's my own bias though.

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So any US trade deal then on 11:15 - Nov 27 with 555 viewslowhouseblue

reallysorry to link to guido, but it does look as if the documents don't say what corbyn alleges. ignore the source and read the content.

https://order-order.com/2019/11/27/corbyns-redacted-negotiation-documents-dont-m

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So any US trade deal then on 11:15 - Nov 27 with 549 viewsfooters

So any US trade deal then on 11:10 - Nov 27 by BloomBlue

I don't have a problem with it, if we can get the same quality of drugs cheaper from the US which saves the NHS money I'm all for it.

We're stuck in a non radical world, Germans, Dutch people seem very very happy with their health service which is very much private/public. I've always felt we should look at all options.


Looking at all the options is certainly wise, but choosing, by far, the most expensive of them would be madness. You only have to look at how big pharma operates in the States to see what would happen here too.

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So any US trade deal then on 11:15 - Nov 27 with 552 viewsSteve_M

Labour may have overplayed the NHS aspects of this but there are other areas of concern:




That Johnson is keen on maximum divergence from the EU points in the same direction: deregulation and lower food and safety standards.

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