| Tories and no deal Brexit 18:03 - Nov 28 with 2608 views | Herbivore |
This is very interesting. In the event of a no deal Brexit the Tories would have to borrow a fair bit more than Labour to fulfil their manifesto. Bear in mind they are pledging pretty modest spending and that leaving with no deal is not unlikely given the tight timescale for agreeing a trade agreement and you have to wonder what the benefits of voting for this Tory party are. |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:40 - Nov 28 with 2342 views | Swansea_Blue |
Ah, missed this and just posted the same in a different thread. Yep, that could mean borrowing more to deliver much, much less.
The biggest risk to the country is a possible Tory no deal Brexit. Nobody talking about Corbyn bankrupting the country has any credibility if they don’t acknowledge this fact. |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:45 - Nov 28 with 2327 views | Herbivore |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:40 - Nov 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah, missed this and just posted the same in a different thread. Yep, that could mean borrowing more to deliver much, much less.
The biggest risk to the country is a possible Tory no deal Brexit. Nobody talking about Corbyn bankrupting the country has any credibility if they don’t acknowledge this fact. |
Totally agree. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:50 - Nov 28 with 2318 views | BackToRussia |
Oh right, so fiscally Labour's manifesto is actually moderate, relatively in this election? Interesting that. There was also a story doing the rounds yesterday that the UK has an "extreme" form of capitalism, so presumably any policies Labour may have to curb that extremism would, again, be moderate. [Post edited 28 Nov 2019 18:52]
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| (No subject) (n/t) on 18:57 - Nov 28 with 2292 views | HennikerBlu |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:58 - Nov 28 with 2292 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:50 - Nov 28 by BackToRussia |
Oh right, so fiscally Labour's manifesto is actually moderate, relatively in this election? Interesting that. There was also a story doing the rounds yesterday that the UK has an "extreme" form of capitalism, so presumably any policies Labour may have to curb that extremism would, again, be moderate. [Post edited 28 Nov 2019 18:52]
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It’s ambitious for the UK historically, although they’re proposing to borrow less as a portion of national income than we did after the last recession. It’s nothing radical in the context of other European countries though:
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:00 - Nov 28 with 2284 views | Basuco |
Both parties are telling porkies about spending plans, neither main party will be able to deliver what they promise in their manifesto without extra borrowing, the last two conservative administrations have borrowed far more than they said they would in their manifesto, the Labour spending would also require far greater borrowing than they predict. So no surprise that both the main parties are not being truthful about their fiscal policy. Hey ho, it is only our money they are spending.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/28/ifs-manifesto-verdict-neither-t |  | | |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:02 - Nov 28 with 2277 views | Herbivore |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:00 - Nov 28 by Basuco |
Both parties are telling porkies about spending plans, neither main party will be able to deliver what they promise in their manifesto without extra borrowing, the last two conservative administrations have borrowed far more than they said they would in their manifesto, the Labour spending would also require far greater borrowing than they predict. So no surprise that both the main parties are not being truthful about their fiscal policy. Hey ho, it is only our money they are spending.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2019/nov/28/ifs-manifesto-verdict-neither-t |
This is from the IFS. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:06 - Nov 28 with 2261 views | Bluefish |
Presumably they haven't been able to attach a brexit plan to the labour manifesto because labour still haven't decided. They would obviously change the graph though. All. Rexit outcomes are ridiculous and anyone that voted for it is ridiculous |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:19 - Nov 28 with 2241 views | BloomBlue |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 18:40 - Nov 28 by Swansea_Blue |
Ah, missed this and just posted the same in a different thread. Yep, that could mean borrowing more to deliver much, much less.
The biggest risk to the country is a possible Tory no deal Brexit. Nobody talking about Corbyn bankrupting the country has any credibility if they don’t acknowledge this fact. |
The biggest risk to the country is Labour being anti business, at best increased costs are based onto the Customers, but at worst they will move out of the Country. Without businesses we have nothing, no NHS, no public services it's businesses who drive the wealth which gives people jobs and pay the taxes which fund public services. |  | | |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:21 - Nov 28 with 2235 views | DanTheMan |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:19 - Nov 28 by BloomBlue |
The biggest risk to the country is Labour being anti business, at best increased costs are based onto the Customers, but at worst they will move out of the Country. Without businesses we have nothing, no NHS, no public services it's businesses who drive the wealth which gives people jobs and pay the taxes which fund public services. |
People drive wealth by spending, businesses don't just spawn money.
If there are people here who need businesses, and they have money to spend, businesses aren't just going to abandon everyone.
But even then the IFS basically say different to you. |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:24 - Nov 28 with 2226 views | Herbivore |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:06 - Nov 28 by Bluefish |
Presumably they haven't been able to attach a brexit plan to the labour manifesto because labour still haven't decided. They would obviously change the graph though. All. Rexit outcomes are ridiculous and anyone that voted for it is ridiculous |
Labour's deal would retain the customs union and possibly single market, so it would have a much lesser impact. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:28 - Nov 28 with 2219 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:06 - Nov 28 by Bluefish |
Presumably they haven't been able to attach a brexit plan to the labour manifesto because labour still haven't decided. They would obviously change the graph though. All. Rexit outcomes are ridiculous and anyone that voted for it is ridiculous |
Labour want to retain access to the Single Market and be part of the Customs Union (I think), so the impact would be negligible compared to their already substantial spending pledges. It’s no deal that kills everything (compare the Tory no deal borrowing estimate, with the normal Tory prediction that factors in Boris’s deal - massive difference).
This is why so many people are against no deal. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:28 - Nov 28 with 2215 views | Bluefish |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:24 - Nov 28 by Herbivore |
Labour's deal would retain the customs union and possibly single market, so it would have a much lesser impact. |
You don't know that though | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:37 - Nov 28 with 2192 views | Herbivore |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:28 - Nov 28 by Bluefish |
You don't know that though |
Yeah I do. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:42 - Nov 28 with 2182 views | BanksterDebtSlave |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:37 - Nov 28 by Herbivore |
Yeah I do. |
Yeah even I know that....it's almost like Fishers is part of a crazed anti Labour cult! |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:42 - Nov 28 with 2179 views | Dubtractor |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:42 - Nov 28 by BanksterDebtSlave |
Yeah even I know that....it's almost like Fishers is part of a crazed anti Labour cult! |
Yep. Definitely anti Labour rather than pro any other party. |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:02 - Nov 28 with 2149 views | BloomBlue |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:24 - Nov 28 by Herbivore |
Labour's deal would retain the customs union and possibly single market, so it would have a much lesser impact. |
But they haven't got an agreed deal yet so until they do you dont know. | | | |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:14 - Nov 28 with 2131 views | Herbivore |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:02 - Nov 28 by BloomBlue |
But they haven't got an agreed deal yet so until they do you dont know. |
Yeah I do. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:29 - Nov 28 with 2109 views | Bluefish |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:14 - Nov 28 by Herbivore |
Yeah I do. |
I know that the lib dems have agreed a new deal where the eu pays uk £500 billion pounds a year to stay | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:45 - Nov 28 with 2095 views | Herbivore |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:29 - Nov 28 by Bluefish |
I know that the lib dems have agreed a new deal where the eu pays uk £500 billion pounds a year to stay |
The Lib Dems want to revoke Article 50, mate. You need to pay more attention. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:58 - Nov 28 with 2069 views | vapour_trail |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:19 - Nov 28 by BloomBlue |
The biggest risk to the country is Labour being anti business, at best increased costs are based onto the Customers, but at worst they will move out of the Country. Without businesses we have nothing, no NHS, no public services it's businesses who drive the wealth which gives people jobs and pay the taxes which fund public services. |
Let’s see if you can attribute the following quote:
“F@ck business” |  |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 21:02 - Nov 28 with 2053 views | BloomBlue |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 19:21 - Nov 28 by DanTheMan |
People drive wealth by spending, businesses don't just spawn money.
If there are people here who need businesses, and they have money to spend, businesses aren't just going to abandon everyone.
But even then the IFS basically say different to you. |
But people need the business who create the jobs which pays the money which is why people have money to spend, it doesnt grow on trees.
If your point about businesses not abandoning is true then they wont leave even in a hard Brexit. | | | |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 21:04 - Nov 28 with 2029 views | jeera |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:29 - Nov 28 by Bluefish |
I know that the lib dems have agreed a new deal where the eu pays uk £500 billion pounds a year to stay |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 21:15 - Nov 28 with 2002 views | jeera |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 20:58 - Nov 28 by vapour_trail |
Let’s see if you can attribute the following quote:
“F@ck business” |
Literally those words.
F*ck business, f*ck everyone. It's all about the ego.
The likes of that prick, Farage and Banks would have been in prison for treason once upon a time. | |
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| Tories and no deal Brexit on 22:01 - Nov 28 with 1957 views | DanTheMan |
| Tories and no deal Brexit on 21:02 - Nov 28 by BloomBlue |
But people need the business who create the jobs which pays the money which is why people have money to spend, it doesnt grow on trees.
If your point about businesses not abandoning is true then they wont leave even in a hard Brexit. |
A bit more tax versus leaving a massive market?
Yeah I think I know which one is worse. | |
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