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before *any* kind of single sex thing, be it swimming clubs, schools, exercise classes, changing rooms offered by shops and so on and so forth, is forced to change its' policy to be based on "gender rather than sex" in the light of similar such legal threats? And will this policy be perhaps further expanded out to institutions and companies acting similarly on the basis of age as well as "gender"? After all age is a protected characteristic under law. For instance, if a 65yo person who identifies as a 10 yo girl wishes to, will they be allowed to attend children's swimming lessons?
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
I remember a case about this where a fitness freak (I think this was in the Netherlands) wanted to legally change his age from something in the 60's/70's to 45, so that he could attract women more likely to "keep up with him". It was decided that, whilst he was in exceptionally good shape for a man of his age, it would be troublesome for people who wanted to age themselves up - in regards to underage drinking, etc.
How long will it be... on 10:20 - Dec 4 by HARRY10
I expect most could give a sh it about how others see themselves.
What is of more concerns is the guff your sort of bigots spout.
Who are my sort of bigots?
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At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
I'm sure this with schools isn't a big deal though, as will be very few kids where this is required for - they have to be in the massive minority who are trans, and then in the further minority who can afford the fees.
I just hope it isn't used by parents to exploit systems at times, like what seems to be happening in women's sport by some.
How long will it be... on 10:24 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe
At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
I'm sure this with schools isn't a big deal though, as will be very few kids where this is required for - they have to be in the massive minority who are trans, and then in the further minority who can afford the fees.
I just hope it isn't used by parents to exploit systems at times, like what seems to be happening in women's sport by some.
At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
Do you really believe that? Everyone is terrified of the LGBT lobbyists. It's more likely that Guardian journalist who transitioned to become male will win an appeal and his child's birth certificate will be amended to show two fathers.
This is only going one way. No doubt people will go on the attack and tell me i'm talking rubbish but they need to open their eyes.
How long will it be... on 10:24 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe
At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
I'm sure this with schools isn't a big deal though, as will be very few kids where this is required for - they have to be in the massive minority who are trans, and then in the further minority who can afford the fees.
I just hope it isn't used by parents to exploit systems at times, like what seems to be happening in women's sport by some.
This specific school in my example from the Indy is changing due to legal threats. Simple as.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
Do you really believe that? Everyone is terrified of the LGBT lobbyists. It's more likely that Guardian journalist who transitioned to become male will win an appeal and his child's birth certificate will be amended to show two fathers.
This is only going one way. No doubt people will go on the attack and tell me i'm talking rubbish but they need to open their eyes.
What, specifically, do you mean by ‘only going one way’ and people needing to ‘open their eyes’?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
Do you really believe that? Everyone is terrified of the LGBT lobbyists. It's more likely that Guardian journalist who transitioned to become male will win an appeal and his child's birth certificate will be amended to show two fathers.
This is only going one way. No doubt people will go on the attack and tell me i'm talking rubbish but they need to open their eyes.
But where it matters is actual conception of a baby, and no matter what a birth certificate says you need a surrogate if you are male, or a donor if you are female
How long will it be... on 10:35 - Dec 4 by LankHenners
What, specifically, do you mean by ‘only going one way’ and people needing to ‘open their eyes’?
There is a small minority of militant trans activists who are not going to accept anything less than a true genderless society. They shout the loudest and look to stamp out any opinions like Joe's with accusations of transphobia. People within the trans community have highlighted this as well and spoken about the small minority who, in their words, give them a bad name.
I'd love to keep this going but i'm off Christmas shopping.
How long will it be... on 10:24 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe
At some point it will be remembered that biologically it takes a man and a woman to create a child, and that gender is binary where it matters.
I'm sure this with schools isn't a big deal though, as will be very few kids where this is required for - they have to be in the massive minority who are trans, and then in the further minority who can afford the fees.
I just hope it isn't used by parents to exploit systems at times, like what seems to be happening in women's sport by some.
Although a minority, you'd be surprised at how quickly this minority seems to be growing.
How long will it be... on 10:36 - Dec 4 by itfcjoe
But where it matters is actual conception of a baby, and no matter what a birth certificate says you need a surrogate if you are male, or a donor if you are female
This isn't likely to remain the case for that much longer:
There is a small minority of militant trans activists who are not going to accept anything less than a true genderless society. They shout the loudest and look to stamp out any opinions like Joe's with accusations of transphobia. People within the trans community have highlighted this as well and spoken about the small minority who, in their words, give them a bad name.
I'd love to keep this going but i'm off Christmas shopping.
That’s true of pretty much every community isn’t it? I think with trans issue the lines get blurred more so genuine concerns get dismissed as being part of the ‘militant’ group as you put it. Not to derail the thread or potentially cause further argument (and I don’t, I really really don’t) but people have complained about ‘militant veganism’ threatening to ruin their lives but in reality it was shrugged off and people got on with life.
I’m not sure the example you cited backed up your point - who cares if he wants to change his birth certificate? It affects no-one but himself and just changed the words on a bit of paper. If people stopped all the hand-wringing and fearing over society being ruined and looked at things more practically there wouldn’t be such a fuss.
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
How long will it be... on 10:54 - Dec 4 by LankHenners
That’s true of pretty much every community isn’t it? I think with trans issue the lines get blurred more so genuine concerns get dismissed as being part of the ‘militant’ group as you put it. Not to derail the thread or potentially cause further argument (and I don’t, I really really don’t) but people have complained about ‘militant veganism’ threatening to ruin their lives but in reality it was shrugged off and people got on with life.
I’m not sure the example you cited backed up your point - who cares if he wants to change his birth certificate? It affects no-one but himself and just changed the words on a bit of paper. If people stopped all the hand-wringing and fearing over society being ruined and looked at things more practically there wouldn’t be such a fuss.
I'm not sure if this is what you're saying, but if you are saying "none of any of this really affects anything in the real world" then I have given you one example of how it does/is.
In the spirit of reconciliation and happiness at the end of the Banter Era (RIP) and as a result of promotion I have cleared out my ignore list. Look forwards to reading your posts!
There is a small minority of militant trans activists who are not going to accept anything less than a true genderless society. They shout the loudest and look to stamp out any opinions like Joe's with accusations of transphobia. People within the trans community have highlighted this as well and spoken about the small minority who, in their words, give them a bad name.
I'd love to keep this going but i'm off Christmas shopping.
I wouldn't let it worry you, J2. No one's coming for your Johnson just yet :)
footers QC - Prosecution Barrister, Hasketon Law Chambers
How long will it be... on 10:58 - Dec 4 by chicoazul
I'm not sure if this is what you're saying, but if you are saying "none of any of this really affects anything in the real world" then I have given you one example of how it does/is.
I was taking the example J2 had given as a poor one as wider society isn’t affected by it and didn’t really fit with the rest of what he was talking about. The article in the OP has more of a wider effect but even so, is it that much to ask for people who identify as male/female to be treated as such?
Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
How long will it be... on 10:54 - Dec 4 by LankHenners
That’s true of pretty much every community isn’t it? I think with trans issue the lines get blurred more so genuine concerns get dismissed as being part of the ‘militant’ group as you put it. Not to derail the thread or potentially cause further argument (and I don’t, I really really don’t) but people have complained about ‘militant veganism’ threatening to ruin their lives but in reality it was shrugged off and people got on with life.
I’m not sure the example you cited backed up your point - who cares if he wants to change his birth certificate? It affects no-one but himself and just changed the words on a bit of paper. If people stopped all the hand-wringing and fearing over society being ruined and looked at things more practically there wouldn’t be such a fuss.
"just changed the words on a bit of paper"
Wow, so we can simply change the words on a bit of paper and it has no impact?
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