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Those blaming Corbyn 09:21 - Dec 13 with 1706 views

He's not the most natural leader but his leadership skills are no worse than May or Johnson.

This whole thing about he lost because "he wasn't clear on Brexit"... Labour Leave seats lost him the election. If he'd backed Brexit, they would have voted for him, and Labour Remain seats (who went down by only 5 points) would've ditched him. If he'd backed Remain, the inverse would've happened. Being neutral, I.e. giving both sides of the party the chance to fight it out, was by far the best option. But clearly doomed to fail as the pro-Brexit anti-Corbyn propaganda was so strong

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:24 - Dec 13 with 1143 views

Marshalls_Mullet

May was a poor leader, so is Corbyn.

Johnson has many, many faults, but is a good leader.

Labour should be relieved that Corbyn has is going.

Corbyn was a very poor mistake by labour members.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:26 - Dec 13 with 1136 views

Swansea_Blue

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:24 - Dec 13 by Marshalls_Mullet
May was a poor leader, so is Corbyn. Johnson has many, many faults, but is a good leader. Labour should be relieved that Corbyn has is going. Corbyn was a very poor mistake by labour members.

Second one of those I've had to do today. Good leaders don't avoid scrutiny and hide in fridges. He's a good dog whistler.

Corbyn needs to go, but that won't be the end of Labour's problems.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:29 - Dec 13 with 1120 views

lowhouseblue

corbyn was electoral kryptonite. yes leavers voted against him because of brexit, but leavers and lots of others also voted against him because they didn't agree with him, like him or trust him. listen to labour campaigners - for every person on the doorstep who blamed brexit another said their problem was with corbyn and his policies.

turning an election in to £trillion advent calendar was ridiculous and insulting.

And so as the loose-bowelled pigeon of time swoops low over the unsuspecting tourist of destiny, and the flatulent skunk of fate wanders into the air-conditioning system of eternity, I notice it's the end of the show

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:31 - Dec 13 with 1111 views

Wacko

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:26 - Dec 13 by Swansea_Blue
Second one of those I've had to do today. Good leaders don't avoid scrutiny and hide in fridges. He's a good dog whistler. Corbyn needs to go, but that won't be the end of Labour's problems.

Not saying he shouldn't go just don't think any other Remain leader would've done any better.

This social media misinformation brainwash technique is terrifying and seemingly invincible

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:31 - Dec 13 with 1107 views

chicoazul

Completely delusional.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:34 - Dec 13 with 1102 views

r2d2

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:24 - Dec 13 by Marshalls_Mullet
May was a poor leader, so is Corbyn. Johnson has many, many faults, but is a good leader. Labour should be relieved that Corbyn has is going. Corbyn was a very poor mistake by labour members.

Much of what you say here is very true. Therefore you wouldn't make a good politician lm afraid.

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:39 - Dec 13 with 1091 views

Wacko

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:29 - Dec 13 by lowhouseblue

Being pro-Brexit and anti-Corbyn are one and the same. Those people who believed the lies that Brexit was good for UK were the same people who believed the lies that Corbyn's policies would damage the economy

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:42 - Dec 13 with 1083 views

Swansea_Blue

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:31 - Dec 13 by Wacko
Not saying he shouldn't go just don't think any other Remain leader would've done any better. This social media misinformation brainwash technique is terrifying and seemingly invincible

I suspect that's very much the case. It's not as simple as it being solely down to Corbyn; as you say, that completely undervalues the extensive disinformation campaign that's been wages against Labour. And it seems Brexit is the huge curve ball that's disrupted a lot of traditional, tribal voting areas.

With time we'll see various analyses being the votes, and I suspect Corbyn will only be part of the problem for Labour.

I do think he needs to go now though. Rightly or wrongly he's now poison for them. It's a shame people in Labour didn't listen to the likes of Luciana Berger who was warning about this for some time.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:44 - Dec 13 with 1069 views

Marshalls_Mullet

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:26 - Dec 13 by Swansea_Blue
Second one of those I've had to do today. Good leaders don't avoid scrutiny and hide in fridges. He's a good dog whistler. Corbyn needs to go, but that won't be the end of Labour's problems.

Good leaders don't take a neutral position.

Whatever you say, the proof is in the result.

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Would Lambert have acheived better results than Cook if given the same resources

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:46 - Dec 13 with 1067 views

BlueBadger

I was saving this for Zed, but...

I've decided to do something and join The Labour Party by BlueBadger 13 Dec 2019 0:43
Trouble is, he was for most of his tenure as leader woefully incompetent, indecisive and utterly lacking in leadership. No clear Brexit policy, no straight up 'we'll have none of this' when the spectre of antisemitism raised its head and no sense in appointing cabinet members. Anybody marginally competent espousing the same or similar policies would have trounced Boris. And rather than look for the hard answers, you've resorted to 'it's everyone else's fault', no f*ck him, it's the fault of him, the people who nominated him, the people who elected him and the people who, in the face of every 'I have a letter from Mrs Trellis from North Wales' PMQ session, every appointment of Diane Abbot, every time John McDonnell decided to posture with Chairman Mao's little red book rather than take on George Osborne over cutting student nurse bursaries, every time decent, competent, skilled MP's were deselected over nobodies, every arse-splintering mixed message delivered over Brexit, every time he decided to hide and address cultists in backstreet halls rather than be front and centre in 2016 going 'this is really f*cking stupid idea, don't vote out'.

F*ck him.
Angry? Damn right I am, we've sat through 9 years of incompetence, vindictiveness and plain old-fashioned spite towards anyone not rich, white and hetero-male and the best the opposition could muster was a supply geography teacher who can't control his class

I hoped against hope, but sadly, this is where it was going to end. With an upper class incompetent racist in charge, poised to unleash an unfettered vision of 'deregulated, red-tape free Britain'. Well played purists, well played.

/edit - this reads a bit like a personal go at you Callis. It really wasn't, you were just unlucky enough to be the first one doing the it's veryone's fault but his thing and you copped for it. sorry about that.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 09:48 - Dec 13 with 1058 views

tractordownsouth

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:44 - Dec 13 by Marshalls_Mullet
Good leaders don't take a neutral position. Whatever you say, the proof is in the result.

But they do write two contradictory articles

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:05 - Dec 13 with 1036 views

Wacko

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:46 - Dec 13 by BlueBadger

I was saving this for Zed, but...

I read this earlier but it's nonsense. You're becoming one of them. Corbyn lost because of Brexit. Not because of his own opinion of Brexit, since everyone knew by the time the election came that a vote for Labour was anti-Brexit, but because of Brexit itself. (And he did campaign for Remain, as did our charming centrist PM at the time plus a number of other moderate Labour and Tory heavyweights - who all failed, not just Corbyn). He didn't lose because of the tiny Jewish vote (there are about 250,000 Jews in the whole of the UK), he lost because of Brexit. He didn't lose because of the incompetent people he appointed - seriously, Boris Johnson is our PM - he lost because of Brexit. And Brexit happened because of social media interference and propaganda blaming foreigners rather than bankers for lack of jobs.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:08 - Dec 13 with 1026 views

Steve_M

This is Labour's worst result in nearly a century. Of course the leader is to blame, regardless of any other factors.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:09 - Dec 13 with 1009 views

soupytwist

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:05 - Dec 13 by Wacko

His campaigning in the 2016 referendum was lukewarm at best.

And you don't actually have to BE Jewish to care about anti-semitism. I doubt it was a massive issue on the doorstep in Blythe Valley but to dismiss it as only concerning the Jewish community is naive.

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:10 - Dec 13 with 1008 views

itfcjoe

Corbyn is toxic on the doorsteps, and amongst the working class - they don't like him.

Much of that is down to propoganda, but he hasn't been able to turn that round

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:12 - Dec 13 with 999 views

giant_stow

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:08 - Dec 13 by Steve_M
This is Labour's worst result in nearly a century. Of course the leader is to blame, regardless of any other factors.

They won't hear you. To do so would be admitting that they've let down and lost the very people they're there to serve.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:14 - Dec 13 with 982 views

Swansea_Blue

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:10 - Dec 13 by itfcjoe
Corbyn is toxic on the doorsteps, and amongst the working class - they don't like him. Much of that is down to propoganda, but he hasn't been able to turn that round

That's the one.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:21 - Dec 13 with 954 views

Herbivore

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:44 - Dec 13 by Marshalls_Mullet
Good leaders don't take a neutral position. Whatever you say, the proof is in the result.

What position could he have taken that would have averted last night? If he'd backed remain he'd have lost at least as many leave seats. If he'd backed leave he'd have been destroyed in remain supporting areas. Brexit was much easier for the Tories to take a clear position on. There are clearly big issues with Corbyn and the electorate but his stance on Brexit is not the biggest of them and I'm not sure another leader could have taken a much different stance.

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Those blaming Corbyn (are right) on 10:24 - Dec 13 with 940 views

hampstead_blue

D'Nile.

Margaret Hodge said it on R4 this morning.
Polly Toynbee repeated it in the Guardian
Maureen Lipman tore him to shreds

The problem is that his kin have taken over. The NEC is all about the far left.
How many long hot, intensive washes will it take to rid the party of that stench.

JC, JM are the problem and have been completely found out. They've had their little socialist wet dream and ought to disappear to the back benches and continue to steal a living.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:30 - Dec 13 with 925 views

BlueBadger

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:05 - Dec 13 by Wacko

Racism is racism, regardless of who it's directed at. Frankly, I expect better from the Labour party.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:31 - Dec 13 with 922 views

Steve_M

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:21 - Dec 13 by Herbivore

I think pretending Brexit wasn't relevant to the campaign was part of the problem. It should have been easy to attack Tory claims to get Brexit done for the fraud they were had he cared enough about the issue to do it.

Again, it's a manifestation of the lack of honesty and engagement with detail that characterises the entire Brexit debate.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:32 - Dec 13 with 918 views

WarkTheWarkITFC

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:21 - Dec 13 by Herbivore

How depressing though that people would rather crack on with something that could make or break them rather than listen to the facts and make a more informed decision.

Sums up modern society.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:33 - Dec 13 with 905 views

Herbivore

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:31 - Dec 13 by Steve_M
I think pretending Brexit wasn't relevant to the campaign was part of the problem. It should have been easy to attack Tory claims to get Brexit done for the fraud they were had he cared enough about the issue to do it. Again, it's a manifestation of the lack of honesty and engagement with detail that characterises the entire Brexit debate.

I see where you're coming from. I think they knew they were weak on Brexit so tried not to 'go there'. They could certainly have done more to debunk the 'Get Brexit Done' motto, that was what ended up resonating most clearly with the voters despite it being b0llocks. I'm not sure people would have wanted to hear it though, but that probably comes back to how they perceive Corbyn.

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Those blaming Corbyn on 10:43 - Dec 13 with 891 views

lowhouseblue

Those blaming Corbyn on 09:39 - Dec 13 by Wacko
Being pro-Brexit and anti-Corbyn are one and the same. Those people who believed the lies that Brexit was good for UK were the same people who believed the lies that Corbyn's policies would damage the economy

while they contained good bits, taken altogether corbyn's economic policies were bonkers. they took good things and over-egged them to the point at which they would have been cumulatively very bad.

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:49 - Dec 13 with 867 views

Herbivore

Those blaming Corbyn on 10:43 - Dec 13 by lowhouseblue
while they contained good bits, taken altogether corbyn's economic policies were bonkers. they took good things and over-egged them to the point at which they would have been cumulatively very bad.

They put what was realistically a 20 year plus programme of progressive change into one manifesto.

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