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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... 18:49 - Dec 13 with 2286 viewsblueconscience

.. How many years would it take for the country to become a new member of the EU? and once that happens will she be happy to fund the installation of a hard border, border controls etc etc?


Not trying to be argumentative or anything, am just a little curious.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 18:59 - Dec 13 with 1425 viewsDarth_Koont

Why a hard border? There'll be unfettered trade with the EU so what's the problem ... oh.

And the costs are shared. Read about how the Czech Republic and Slovakia divorced each other for a good rule of thumb.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 19:00 - Dec 13 with 1427 viewsBloomBlue

The Scottish gov financial something (I forget what is called) said it would probably take 10 years and involved a lot of austerity to achieve the EU joining rules. I remember Andrew Neil pinning Sturgeon down on that although she disagreed with the level of austerity, but dort of agreed the 10 year timeframe
Scotland has one of the largest debts of any country in Europe. Plus there are a lot of other questions for example if Scotland keep the £ will the EU allow that given it will be controlled by a Country that isnt part of the EU.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 20:54 - Dec 13 with 1370 viewswkj

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 19:00 - Dec 13 by BloomBlue

The Scottish gov financial something (I forget what is called) said it would probably take 10 years and involved a lot of austerity to achieve the EU joining rules. I remember Andrew Neil pinning Sturgeon down on that although she disagreed with the level of austerity, but dort of agreed the 10 year timeframe
Scotland has one of the largest debts of any country in Europe. Plus there are a lot of other questions for example if Scotland keep the £ will the EU allow that given it will be controlled by a Country that isnt part of the EU.


If Scotland were to leave the Union, I think it is a fair assumption that the scotish pound (or what it will become) will be an independent currency too.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:03 - Dec 13 with 1352 viewsWeWereZombies

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 19:00 - Dec 13 by BloomBlue

The Scottish gov financial something (I forget what is called) said it would probably take 10 years and involved a lot of austerity to achieve the EU joining rules. I remember Andrew Neil pinning Sturgeon down on that although she disagreed with the level of austerity, but dort of agreed the 10 year timeframe
Scotland has one of the largest debts of any country in Europe. Plus there are a lot of other questions for example if Scotland keep the £ will the EU allow that given it will be controlled by a Country that isnt part of the EU.


Where do you get the figure of Scotland's debt from? There is no treasury for Scotland (yet) or an agreement on a currency in which it can be stated. I think you are making assumptions based on paper talk rather than hard fact there. And it will need someone to unravel the Bartnett Formula first before any agreement on what terms Scotland would exit the United Kingdom, whether that be with funds or in debt. I reckon twenty five years...

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:06 - Dec 13 with 1334 viewswkj

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:03 - Dec 13 by WeWereZombies

Where do you get the figure of Scotland's debt from? There is no treasury for Scotland (yet) or an agreement on a currency in which it can be stated. I think you are making assumptions based on paper talk rather than hard fact there. And it will need someone to unravel the Bartnett Formula first before any agreement on what terms Scotland would exit the United Kingdom, whether that be with funds or in debt. I reckon twenty five years...


I think Boris and Co might well consider allowing the 2nd indy ref you know. I mean, it further makes it difficult for anyone to unseat the Conservatives going forward. Quite surprised by the huff and puff from a few about this considering that.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:06 - Dec 13 with 1333 viewsWD19

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:03 - Dec 13 by WeWereZombies

Where do you get the figure of Scotland's debt from? There is no treasury for Scotland (yet) or an agreement on a currency in which it can be stated. I think you are making assumptions based on paper talk rather than hard fact there. And it will need someone to unravel the Bartnett Formula first before any agreement on what terms Scotland would exit the United Kingdom, whether that be with funds or in debt. I reckon twenty five years...


Presumably there would be a punitive divorce bill. That’s how it works when you want to leave right!?
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:08 - Dec 13 with 1329 viewsSwansea_Blue

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 20:54 - Dec 13 by wkj

If Scotland were to leave the Union, I think it is a fair assumption that the scotish pound (or what it will become) will be an independent currency too.


I’d like them to call it the Scottish Dragoon. It would anchor it with a historical, classical tone and is a corker of a word for the accent.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:10 - Dec 13 with 1307 viewswkj

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:08 - Dec 13 by Swansea_Blue

I’d like them to call it the Scottish Dragoon. It would anchor it with a historical, classical tone and is a corker of a word for the accent.


I can confirm the Currency would be named the Sturgeon as she is elevated to the status of Monarch with Ian Blackford filling her role as great and glorious leader.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:34 - Dec 13 with 1279 viewsBryanPlug

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 18:59 - Dec 13 by Darth_Koont

Why a hard border? There'll be unfettered trade with the EU so what's the problem ... oh.

And the costs are shared. Read about how the Czech Republic and Slovakia divorced each other for a good rule of thumb.


Just rebuild Hadrian’s Wall.

Hang on, does that mean shortbread will become more expensive? Damn you Sturgeon.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:38 - Dec 13 with 1267 viewsDarth_Koont

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:34 - Dec 13 by BryanPlug

Just rebuild Hadrian’s Wall.

Hang on, does that mean shortbread will become more expensive? Damn you Sturgeon.
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Hadrian's Wall is in England. Bit harsh on Northumbrians.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:42 - Dec 13 with 1259 viewsbluelagos

I think it all depends on what type of Brexit the UK ends up with. The harder, the more likely the Scots are to want to remain in the EU and so wish to leave the UK.

I do think the Brexit issues the UK has faced will similarly be issues for the Scots though. Suspect a few will look at those and shy away from a similar unknown for them.

But the strong SNP showing does make a strong case for the Scots to have a say, BJ will struggle to refuse imho

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 22:02 - Dec 13 with 1247 viewscallis

I’d say go one further and let Labour clusters become their own governed states. Let the rest of Tory Britain get on with their sh1t show whilst those who actually live in multi-cultural areas who know Brexit is an awful idea can get on with their socialist car crash economies.

And no, you can’t immigrate to our states if you voted Tory. You dug your grave.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 04:08 - Dec 14 with 1172 viewsWeWereZombies

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 21:38 - Dec 13 by Darth_Koont

Hadrian's Wall is in England. Bit harsh on Northumbrians.


OK, the Antonine Wall then...

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 07:40 - Dec 14 with 1099 viewsBlueBoots

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 22:02 - Dec 13 by callis

I’d say go one further and let Labour clusters become their own governed states. Let the rest of Tory Britain get on with their sh1t show whilst those who actually live in multi-cultural areas who know Brexit is an awful idea can get on with their socialist car crash economies.

And no, you can’t immigrate to our states if you voted Tory. You dug your grave.


Fantastic idea

I'll have to make a few sacrifices though...living in red Hammersmith, I'll have to start using the Tesco in Shepherd's Bush rather than the one Kensington, or my pork chops will spoil while I'm waiting to go through customs at the border
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 07:41 - Dec 14 with 1100 viewsPecker

They will be praying for us to take them back within 10 years.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 08:04 - Dec 15 with 1000 viewsbluejacko

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 18:59 - Dec 13 by Darth_Koont

Why a hard border? There'll be unfettered trade with the EU so what's the problem ... oh.

And the costs are shared. Read about how the Czech Republic and Slovakia divorced each other for a good rule of thumb.


You are right about the Czechs and Slovaks,it goes to show that with good will on both sides what can be accomplished. I think I am right in saying though that both countries were not in the EU at the time so only had to agree between themselves the terms of their split. Scotland’s leaving the UK really should not be a problem. Their troubles will begin when and if they get back into the EU,
After all there is no GFA for them to fall back on,virtually all their trade will have to go through England whether to us or the EU with again the possibility of a hard border.
I would rather see them stay but it is their choice.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 08:18 - Dec 15 with 981 viewsTractorWood

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 07:41 - Dec 14 by Pecker

They will be praying for us to take them back within 10 years.


Tax spend on services is far higher per capita in Scotland (free uni/elderly care) for what is a weaker economy. Independence sounds good to those that want to hear it but it feels like a Brexit on steroids. Aka turkey's voting for Christmas.

I know that was then, but it could be again..
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 09:46 - Dec 15 with 929 viewsGriller

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 07:41 - Dec 14 by Pecker

They will be praying for us to take them back within 10 years.


A flippant comment perhaps but I actually think you are spot on. Born and bred in East Anglia I have lived in Scotland for over twenty years and I know the Scottish psyche well. Their hearts rule their heads completely over independence and they completely ignore the potential long-term implications. I personally believe that no one minority sector of Great Britain should ever be empowered to break up the Union - if there is ever to be a referendum on Scottish independence then it should additionally involve England, Northern Ireland and Wales.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 10:07 - Dec 15 with 903 viewstractordownsouth

Put it this way, the Tory party don't exactly have form for offering the people the chance to re think when it turns out the original referendum was won on the back of lies.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:51 - Dec 15 with 863 viewsTrequartista

They haven't really got an argument for a second referendum just because they dominate MPs at Westminster. All this means is that Scottish people like their overall package of policies and would like them to represent them at Westminster, that doesn't correlate to Scottish people wanting to leave the union, as evidenced in 2014. Having a referendum every 6 years is ridiculous.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:53 - Dec 15 with 859 viewstractordownsouth

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:51 - Dec 15 by Trequartista

They haven't really got an argument for a second referendum just because they dominate MPs at Westminster. All this means is that Scottish people like their overall package of policies and would like them to represent them at Westminster, that doesn't correlate to Scottish people wanting to leave the union, as evidenced in 2014. Having a referendum every 6 years is ridiculous.


Playing devil’s advocate, couldn’t you say that the Tories winning shows that they like the overall package of Tory policies, not that there’s a mandate for their Brexit deal?

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:56 - Dec 15 with 856 viewspointofblue

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:51 - Dec 15 by Trequartista

They haven't really got an argument for a second referendum just because they dominate MPs at Westminster. All this means is that Scottish people like their overall package of policies and would like them to represent them at Westminster, that doesn't correlate to Scottish people wanting to leave the union, as evidenced in 2014. Having a referendum every 6 years is ridiculous.


It’s worth considering the SNP drew in 45% of the popular vote on Thursday; the unionist parties claimed 55%. That’s around the same split as the independence referendum in 2014, not that everyone who wants independence voted SNP and vice versa.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:10 - Dec 15 with 849 viewsTrequartista

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:53 - Dec 15 by tractordownsouth

Playing devil’s advocate, couldn’t you say that the Tories winning shows that they like the overall package of Tory policies, not that there’s a mandate for their Brexit deal?


They have a majority in Westminster, Brexit is within that scope. The SNP only have a majority in Holyrood.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:14 - Dec 15 with 846 viewsTrequartista

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 11:56 - Dec 15 by pointofblue

It’s worth considering the SNP drew in 45% of the popular vote on Thursday; the unionist parties claimed 55%. That’s around the same split as the independence referendum in 2014, not that everyone who wants independence voted SNP and vice versa.


Yes it's a General Election. We can draw conclusions of why people voted for whom and say Brexit was the dominant factor, but nothing should be extrapolated to form exterior decisions, which seems to be the fashion nowadays. For example i read that 52% voted for remain parties and 48% for leave parties. This is a point of interest and nothing more, people are voting in a General Election.

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:20 - Dec 15 with 838 viewsjas0999

Why should only Scotland get to vote? Why not England, Wales and NI? Would be an intriguing outcome.
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