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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... 18:49 - Dec 13 with 2457 viewsblueconscience

.. How many years would it take for the country to become a new member of the EU? and once that happens will she be happy to fund the installation of a hard border, border controls etc etc?


Not trying to be argumentative or anything, am just a little curious.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 22:13 - Dec 15 with 410 viewsOnionboy

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:22 - Dec 15 by Darth_Koont

On the independence question alone the polls are now neck and neck. And that was before a hard Brexit was confirmed.


How much will the divorce settlement be for Scotland to leave the UK?
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 08:14 - Dec 16 with 364 viewsGriller

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:41 - Dec 15 by hampstead_blue

As someone on the ground, do the scots feel they have the economic strength and base to become successfully independent?

I'm not sure what their USP and big income earners are? Long term, regular, and sufficient to run a country.


For purpose they have convinced themselves that they do when in reality they don't. The fragility of Nicola Sturgeon's argument was more than highlighted during her recent interview with Andrew Neil.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 08:24 - Dec 16 with 357 viewsGlasgowBlue

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:22 - Dec 15 by Darth_Koont

On the independence question alone the polls are now neck and neck. And that was before a hard Brexit was confirmed.



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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:21 - Dec 16 with 326 viewsDarth_Koont

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 08:24 - Dec 16 by GlasgowBlue



https://britainelects.newstatesman.com/should-scotland-be-an-independent-country

And that's before a deeply unpopular Tory government and Brexit have now been confirmed.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 13:56 - Dec 16 with 300 viewsWeWereZombies

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 12:21 - Dec 16 by Darth_Koont

https://britainelects.newstatesman.com/should-scotland-be-an-independent-country

And that's before a deeply unpopular Tory government and Brexit have now been confirmed.


Any chance of giving us a precis of what is behind the 'Britain Elects' request for our email addresses?

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:07 - Dec 16 with 291 viewsElephantintheRoom

It depends what the EU attitude is at the time - and just how dreadful the UK are in their 'negotiations'

Slightly under the radar at present is the situation in Northern Ireland....largely because Sinn Fein don't take their seats - but there are now more nationalist MPs - and the longer there is no assembly the closer a united Ireland becomes. Add in the chaos assured by the idiotic solution to the Irish border - and Ireland could go independent before Scotland.

Then could Wales resist a League of Celtic Nations? I'd be surprised if both Northern Ireland and Scotland are not as good as out of the UK in five years IF the tories go for a hard Brexit

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:09 - Dec 16 with 286 viewsSwansea_Blue

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 08:24 - Dec 16 by GlasgowBlue



Rubbish, the polls are never right

That doesn't look good at a time you'd expect support to be highest, given they've just arguably secured the democratic right to call another ref.

Edit - oops, didn't look at the date. So is there a latest update, or too soon after the election?
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:10 - Dec 16 with 284 viewsDarth_Koont

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 13:56 - Dec 16 by WeWereZombies

Any chance of giving us a precis of what is behind the 'Britain Elects' request for our email addresses?


Seems to be since November that New Statesman wants to channel visitors through the association.
But there seems to be no big issue, you use your e-mail to register and I've not seen any spamming either. Nor do you have to engage with the New Statesman site unless you're feeling particularly foolish.

You will however be in a database of people who look at polling data. So probably first against the wall when the new authoritarian regime kicks in and they're rounding up the thoughtcriminals who might threaten the Ministry of Love's war with Eastasia.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:14 - Dec 16 with 276 viewsDarth_Koont

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:09 - Dec 16 by Swansea_Blue

Rubbish, the polls are never right

That doesn't look good at a time you'd expect support to be highest, given they've just arguably secured the democratic right to call another ref.

Edit - oops, didn't look at the date. So is there a latest update, or too soon after the election?
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Not surprisingly for Glassers it isn't that representative of the other polls, which show only a marginal lead for the No campaign. And that's before the election and Brexit.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:24 - Dec 16 with 267 viewsSwansea_Blue

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:14 - Dec 16 by Darth_Koont

Not surprisingly for Glassers it isn't that representative of the other polls, which show only a marginal lead for the No campaign. And that's before the election and Brexit.


I've just had a quick look and can't see anything post-election on this.

This tracker goes up to 11th Dec. It's very close, a bit messy immediately before the GE, but you'd expect pro-Indi support to have had a boost by the election result. Interestingly, the gap narrowed when Boris came in (seems the Scots have more taste/sense than the English!).

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-vote-in-the-in-a-scottish-

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:25 - Dec 16 with 265 viewsWeWereZombies

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:07 - Dec 16 by ElephantintheRoom

It depends what the EU attitude is at the time - and just how dreadful the UK are in their 'negotiations'

Slightly under the radar at present is the situation in Northern Ireland....largely because Sinn Fein don't take their seats - but there are now more nationalist MPs - and the longer there is no assembly the closer a united Ireland becomes. Add in the chaos assured by the idiotic solution to the Irish border - and Ireland could go independent before Scotland.

Then could Wales resist a League of Celtic Nations? I'd be surprised if both Northern Ireland and Scotland are not as good as out of the UK in five years IF the tories go for a hard Brexit


Possibly but if anything happens I suggest it is likely to be more of a Viking fringe (no, not a haircut that is almost as bad as a mullet) rather than a flare up in the Celtic Twilight. If the Republic is taken as the southern and westernmost end you could see a long crescent of nations through Northern Ireland, the Isle of Man, Scotland, the Faroes, Norway and Sweden to Finland in the north east. What this might mean for the European Union (given that the Isle of Man, the Faroes and Norway are not in the Union) I don't know. A north/south split of the EU? With implications for Denmark, Wales, the Baltic states and Baltic port areas of Poland and Germany. Implications for NATO too if Iceland and Greenland got roped in.

One thing is for sure, Russia would be very concerned about any pallying up between an independent Scotland and Norway because their combined maritime area could block off the top of the North Sea if an aggressive stance was taken to protect fishing areas (which might be necessary in the light of dwindling fish stocks and a Brexit hungry fishing fleet that needs to be placated).

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:33 - Dec 16 with 258 viewsDarth_Koont

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:24 - Dec 16 by Swansea_Blue

I've just had a quick look and can't see anything post-election on this.

This tracker goes up to 11th Dec. It's very close, a bit messy immediately before the GE, but you'd expect pro-Indi support to have had a boost by the election result. Interestingly, the gap narrowed when Boris came in (seems the Scots have more taste/sense than the English!).

http://whatscotlandthinks.org/questions/how-would-you-vote-in-the-in-a-scottish-


Yeah, nothing yet.

I can't see the reality of Boris and Brexit helping the Unionist cause, and especially as we get into the guts of the EU negotiation and its impact. Be interesting too if an Independence referendum in 2020 is predicated on not emerging from the transition phase and using that status to be admitted/re-admitted into the EU - at least as the plan.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 15:22 - Dec 16 with 227 viewsconnorscontract

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 22:02 - Dec 13 by callis

I’d say go one further and let Labour clusters become their own governed states. Let the rest of Tory Britain get on with their sh1t show whilst those who actually live in multi-cultural areas who know Brexit is an awful idea can get on with their socialist car crash economies.

And no, you can’t immigrate to our states if you voted Tory. You dug your grave.


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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 15:28 - Dec 16 with 214 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 14:14 - Dec 16 by Darth_Koont

Not surprisingly for Glassers it isn't that representative of the other polls, which show only a marginal lead for the No campaign. And that's before the election and Brexit.


All those cherry picked polls Glassers posted in the run up to the election showing big Tory leads sure proved wide of the mark, didn’t they?

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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 15:50 - Dec 16 with 196 viewsDarth_Koont

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 15:28 - Dec 16 by C_HealyIsAPleasure

All those cherry picked polls Glassers posted in the run up to the election showing big Tory leads sure proved wide of the mark, didn’t they?


Que?

Using this poll would have been the same as finding an election poll where the Lab-Con gap was down to 6 points or whatever and saying this was the most relevant. When the vast majority of polls show something else, you don't put your trust in an outlier.

This independence poll goes against the trend since Johnson has been elected and Brexit has become more likely. Also Britain Elects now seem to have left it off their table of results too - despite publishing the Survation poll from 11th Dec that gives the No vote a 1-point lead. I wonder why ...

Also: Just assume that GB cherry-picks data and other information. It's in his nature.
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Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 16:08 - Dec 16 with 181 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Should SNP get their way and go independent...... on 15:50 - Dec 16 by Darth_Koont

Que?

Using this poll would have been the same as finding an election poll where the Lab-Con gap was down to 6 points or whatever and saying this was the most relevant. When the vast majority of polls show something else, you don't put your trust in an outlier.

This independence poll goes against the trend since Johnson has been elected and Brexit has become more likely. Also Britain Elects now seem to have left it off their table of results too - despite publishing the Survation poll from 11th Dec that gives the No vote a 1-point lead. I wonder why ...

Also: Just assume that GB cherry-picks data and other information. It's in his nature.


And yet as far as I can recall anytime a poll was posted in the run-up to the election the accusation was it was cherry picked - it’s almost like it’s an accusation which gets thrown around when people don’t like what they’re seeing

They’re also not that much of an outlier - polling has fluctuated in and out a bit between polls (presumably due to small sample and infrequency) but the general trend is one of ‘No’ being the favoured response to independence

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opinion_polling_on_Scottish_independence

Obviously the election impact remains to be seen - but then again it’s quite probably that any impact will be a short term emotional one rather than a lasting trend

I’ll make my own judgements and assumptions re other people, thanks

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