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The role of a CM 10:41 - Dec 14 with 1712 viewsBluefish

Read loads from people saying Downes in the successor to Skuse and not Dozzell. People saying Downes should sit and Dozzell have a free role further up the pitch, it amazes me what some people watch. Downes is a box to box midfielder, he can do a little bit of everything. Andre is completely different, he passing intelligence for far above anything else that we have but he is not box to box and he is not a CAM. A CAM is all about little movements and quick touches because of how tight it is in that pocket surrounded by the opposition defence, CDM and midfielders. Dozzell wants to have the open space protected by our midfield and our defence against their less defensive players so that he can find killer passes opposed to quick passes. Dozzell is a pirlo type player not a David Silva or a Countinho.

Some players like to play facing the goal with distance ahead of them, other players like to play in tight areas and some like to play back to the goal. You can't just swap that around and get the best out of players.

When I played the game i played for years at wide right even though I lacked real pace because I could pick a pass and I like the game in front of me. I could play CM and often did but I was often crowded out and didnt get the time on the ball. I moved to forward and adapted to play back to goal but again it didnt get the best from me. Eventually my team went 532 which allowed me to drop deeper and play a free role facing the goal.
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The role of a CM on 10:44 - Dec 14 with 1410 viewsMullet

Although by the time Pirlo was AD's age he had played as a 10 a bit and was moved back. Had he not been robbed of that season maybe he'd have had that development too.

But it seems odd as you say in that regard.

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The role of a CM on 10:49 - Dec 14 with 1388 viewsBluefish

The role of a CM on 10:44 - Dec 14 by Mullet

Although by the time Pirlo was AD's age he had played as a 10 a bit and was moved back. Had he not been robbed of that season maybe he'd have had that development too.

But it seems odd as you say in that regard.


Andre is quite lucky that the England youth set up and the move to U23s instead of reserves has allowed him to move to that role earlier in life or he would have been stuck up there too. I added in the edit about where I played and I started adult football very young so played RM even though it wasn't a natural position because it was the only place where I could have the time to create.

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The role of a CM on 11:18 - Dec 14 with 1340 viewsBigManBlue

Agree with this. How do we get the best out of Andre then? Have him sitting deep with two tough box to box midfielders (Downes and... Someone?) in front of him to help out with defensive duties?

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The role of a CM on 11:21 - Dec 14 with 1330 viewsDubtractor

Yep. Dozzell is a playmaker, he needs the game in front of him to pick passes. Downes is the most complete midfielder we have and we look a far lesser team without him - a box to box player as you say.

Midfield is a bloody difficult position to play and be good at, you need to be aware of the whole game around you, 360 vision and all that. Having a player like Downes on our books is a real gift.

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The role of a CM on 11:27 - Dec 14 with 1313 viewslmfcblue

The role of a CM on 11:18 - Dec 14 by BigManBlue

Agree with this. How do we get the best out of Andre then? Have him sitting deep with two tough box to box midfielders (Downes and... Someone?) in front of him to help out with defensive duties?


Downes Dozzell and Nolan looks to have the right balance for me.
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The role of a CM on 11:40 - Dec 14 with 1292 viewsSwansea_Blue

It’s pretty obvious isn’t it. You play Downes in a 2, alongside someone who sits (Skuse) and then he can use his allround game and has licence to get forward (late runs into the box supporting the number 10.

You needs 4231 for that, but we don’t have the wingers.

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The role of a CM on 11:44 - Dec 14 with 1287 viewsBigManBlue

The role of a CM on 11:40 - Dec 14 by Swansea_Blue

It’s pretty obvious isn’t it. You play Downes in a 2, alongside someone who sits (Skuse) and then he can use his allround game and has licence to get forward (late runs into the box supporting the number 10.

You needs 4231 for that, but we don’t have the wingers.


So no room for Dozzell? Or have I misread you?

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The role of a CM on 12:36 - Dec 14 with 1206 viewspablovian

The role of a CM on 11:27 - Dec 14 by lmfcblue

Downes Dozzell and Nolan looks to have the right balance for me.


In League One, I would play Downes and Nolan, plus an A. N. Other depending on the opposition and the fitness and form of other midfielders. If we return to the Championship, the fitness and form of Huws and Bishop will be very important factors.
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The role of a CM on 12:46 - Dec 14 with 1197 viewsKeaneish

Downes is the most natural replacement we have for Skuse but he’s more versatile as you say. It would be a horrendous decision to make Downes simply a ball winner or anchorman, he’s got much to his game. Some of his driving runs have been great to watch - he’s turning into a real leader.

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The role of a CM on 12:58 - Dec 14 with 1182 viewsBluefish

The role of a CM on 12:46 - Dec 14 by Keaneish

Downes is the most natural replacement we have for Skuse but he’s more versatile as you say. It would be a horrendous decision to make Downes simply a ball winner or anchorman, he’s got much to his game. Some of his driving runs have been great to watch - he’s turning into a real leader.


So not a natural replacement then

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The role of a CM on 13:00 - Dec 14 with 1177 viewsSwansea_Blue

The role of a CM on 11:44 - Dec 14 by BigManBlue

So no room for Dozzell? Or have I misread you?


Ahead of him number 10. Or if you play the 2 side by side, Flynn has to sit.

We’re quite lucky to have these players, I don’t think we’re using them right though. In a decent footballing team that builds from the back and is fairly possession- based they’d both shine.

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The role of a CM on 13:01 - Dec 14 with 1172 viewsBluefish

The role of a CM on 13:00 - Dec 14 by Swansea_Blue

Ahead of him number 10. Or if you play the 2 side by side, Flynn has to sit.

We’re quite lucky to have these players, I don’t think we’re using them right though. In a decent footballing team that builds from the back and is fairly possession- based they’d both shine.


Flynn is not a sitting player and Dozzell is not a 10

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The role of a CM on 13:06 - Dec 14 with 1162 viewsHerbivore

You played right wing? I'm shocked. Agree with your OP though.
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The role of a CM on 13:08 - Dec 14 with 1150 viewsHerbivore

I'm surprised Nolan is amongst so many first choice midfields. He started well when coming back from injury but I think he's looked poor of late, albeit I've not seen us away from home where maybe he's played better.

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The role of a CM on 13:09 - Dec 14 with 1145 viewsDubtractor

The role of a CM on 13:06 - Dec 14 by Herbivore

You played right wing? I'm shocked. Agree with your OP though.
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Coincidentally, I used to play left wing.

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The role of a CM on 13:12 - Dec 14 with 1139 viewsBluefish

The role of a CM on 13:08 - Dec 14 by Herbivore

I'm surprised Nolan is amongst so many first choice midfields. He started well when coming back from injury but I think he's looked poor of late, albeit I've not seen us away from home where maybe he's played better.


He gives us a high press and tempo. He was excellent at cov

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The role of a CM on 13:13 - Dec 14 with 1137 viewsBluefish

The role of a CM on 13:09 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor

Coincidentally, I used to play left wing.

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It is obviously why I moved to centrally

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The role of a CM on 13:24 - Dec 14 with 1110 viewsHerbivore

The role of a CM on 13:12 - Dec 14 by Bluefish

He gives us a high press and tempo. He was excellent at cov


Fair enough, I've not seen him play away. At home he's not done much. He's busy but his use of the ball is not the best at the minute.

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The role of a CM on 13:34 - Dec 14 with 1082 viewsJ2BLUE

Agree. Downes is our most important player. Lets not shoehorn him into a position.

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The role of a CM on 13:44 - Dec 14 with 1063 viewspablovian

The role of a CM on 13:09 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor

Coincidentally, I used to play left wing.

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I was a left full back who marked right wingers. Times change ...
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The role of a CM on 13:51 - Dec 14 with 1041 viewsclive_baker

The role of a CM on 13:09 - Dec 14 by Dubtractor

Coincidentally, I used to play left wing.

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Not sure, but apparently Benters used to play for Scunthorpe.

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The role of a CM on 13:56 - Dec 14 with 1032 viewsKeaneish

The role of a CM on 12:58 - Dec 14 by Bluefish

So not a natural replacement then


“The most natural replacement”. Not, “a direct replacement”. Big difference.

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The role of a CM on 14:12 - Dec 14 with 1001 viewsBluefish

The role of a CM on 13:56 - Dec 14 by Keaneish

“The most natural replacement”. Not, “a direct replacement”. Big difference.


Truly impressive stuff

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The role of a CM on 14:21 - Dec 14 with 976 viewsBigManBlue

Clearly PL has seen this and decided to teach us that the role of a CM is actually at CB, or maybe RB...

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The role of a CM on 14:26 - Dec 14 with 965 viewsKeaneish

The role of a CM on 14:12 - Dec 14 by Bluefish

Truly impressive stuff


Like your wide midfield displays I imagine...

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