| Interview with Keir Starmer 09:45 - Dec 18 with 2628 views | StokieBlue |
The Guardian have a decent interview with Starmer today:
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/17/keir-starmer-labour-leadership-
He's respectful but makes quite a few digs:
"He said Labour must now return to being a “broad church” and praised Momentum as well as “people who might self-identify as Blairites”. “It can’t be a fight for one side to obliterate the other,” he said."
"Starmer was given few opportunities to speak for his party during the election campaign as Labour strategists sought to dodge the fraught question of Brexit. But he believes he could have made a better job than Corbyn of criticising the central claim of the Tories’ campaign. I don’t think we tackled the ‘get Brexit done’ slogan strongly enough,” he said. “We should have taken it down. Frankly I’d have liked the opportunity to have done it.”
"He also echoed the view that the Labour manifesto represented a “policy overload”. “We had important things, housing and public sector pay rises, but you couldn’t see the wood for the trees,” he said."
"He also criticised the “baggage” Labour took into the election campaign. “We didn’t deal with antisemitism and that became a question of values and a question of competence,” he said, blaming “factionalism” for the failure to tackle the issue."
Do people think he's a realistic challenger for the leadership or will be not be left enough for Momentum?
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 09:50 - Dec 18 with 1964 views | baxterbasics |
Starmer is clearly the best option for Labour, and the one candidate that the government might have something to fear from.
But the "need" for a woman candidate and Momentum's hold on the process means he will struggle to win. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:01 - Dec 18 with 1939 views | BloomBlue |
No. If he knew things were wrong and couldn't change them when part of the shadow cabinet he will never change them. He is part of the problem not part of the solution. |  | | |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:17 - Dec 18 with 1915 views | Guthrum |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:01 - Dec 18 by BloomBlue |
No. If he knew things were wrong and couldn't change them when part of the shadow cabinet he will never change them. He is part of the problem not part of the solution. |
He was a minority within the Shadow Cabinet and not aligned with the leadership or the Unite/Momentum pressure groups who were running the show. Hardly surprising he wasn't able to drive change. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:21 - Dec 18 with 1914 views | Steve_M |
The deliberate sidelining of people like Starmer and Jess Phillips was just one of many failings of Labour's election campaign. The sort of clear-structured analysis from Starmer here shows why that was foolish, it's just basic political competence and persuasion.
Kier Starmer or Rebecca Long-Baily. It's obvious which one of those presents better opposition to this government, rather less obvious which way the party would vote. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:28 - Dec 18 with 1899 views | LankHenners |
Seems to be seen as the safest pair of hands to take over but hard to see how he can really bring all sides of the Left together, plus I don't think it's unfair for people to not want a more centrist leader.
You don't have to be a part of Momentum to want a more progressive candidate, though it'd probably be unwise to elect someone like Long-Bailey as she's too close to Corbyn and she wouldn't be allowed to distance herself. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:44 - Dec 18 with 1853 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:21 - Dec 18 by Steve_M |
The deliberate sidelining of people like Starmer and Jess Phillips was just one of many failings of Labour's election campaign. The sort of clear-structured analysis from Starmer here shows why that was foolish, it's just basic political competence and persuasion.
Kier Starmer or Rebecca Long-Baily. It's obvious which one of those presents better opposition to this government, rather less obvious which way the party would vote. |
A RLB/Burgon dream team is the way forward. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:49 - Dec 18 with 1848 views | lowhouseblue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:44 - Dec 18 by GlasgowBlue |
A RLB/Burgon dream team is the way forward. |
well that would certainly get the 2024 election over and done with 5 years early. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:51 - Dec 18 with 1840 views | BlueForYou |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:44 - Dec 18 by GlasgowBlue |
A RLB/Burgon dream team is the way forward. |
Thal'll be 10/15 years of Conservative rule to come then. Labour need to evict Momentum from the party. The Loony Left dont win elections! None of their shadow cabinet have any credibility. |  | | |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:02 - Dec 18 with 1795 views | chicoazul |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:21 - Dec 18 by Steve_M |
The deliberate sidelining of people like Starmer and Jess Phillips was just one of many failings of Labour's election campaign. The sort of clear-structured analysis from Starmer here shows why that was foolish, it's just basic political competence and persuasion.
Kier Starmer or Rebecca Long-Baily. It's obvious which one of those presents better opposition to this government, rather less obvious which way the party would vote. |
They're going to elect RLB who will be cast as a shrill nag which will put off all the people who didnt vote for the Maximum Leader last time even more. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:06 - Dec 18 with 1785 views | GlasgowBlue |
Ouch!
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:13 - Dec 18 with 1756 views | BloomBlue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:02 - Dec 18 by chicoazul |
They're going to elect RLB who will be cast as a shrill nag which will put off all the people who didnt vote for the Maximum Leader last time even more. |
Farage would make a better leader of Labour than RLB | | | |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:24 - Dec 18 with 1723 views | Pinewoodblue |
Think he is the best they have available but the Labour Party is difficult to predict. In the early stages of the last leadership selection process Corbyn was struggling to get the required support from MPs needed to even enter the ballot. Didn’t some get persuaded to support his nomination simply to widen the choice? Boy they must look back and regret that now.
Even after his nomination was accepted very few people I know, eligible to vote, even considered voting for him but one by one they moved away from the likes of Andy Burnham and announced their support for Jeremy Corbyn.
The biggest problem Labour have is that those who elect the leader are not representative of those who vote for them.
At this stage it seems the next leader will need to meet 2 out of the following.
Doesn’t represent a London constituency
Female
Not white.
Starmer doesn’t meet any of thrm |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:37 - Dec 18 with 1693 views | DanTheMan |
He's not stupid, he's found something that works repeatedly.
People need to find something that beats populism, which is increasingly difficult. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:45 - Dec 18 with 1678 views | StokieBlue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:06 - Dec 18 by GlasgowBlue |
Ouch!
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He's gotten really stuck in this morning during his speech.
"Instead, we pursued a path of almost comic indecision - alienated both sides of the debate,"
Pretty much spot on there. Obviously won't go down well with many.
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:55 - Dec 18 with 1657 views | BloomBlue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:24 - Dec 18 by Pinewoodblue |
Think he is the best they have available but the Labour Party is difficult to predict. In the early stages of the last leadership selection process Corbyn was struggling to get the required support from MPs needed to even enter the ballot. Didn’t some get persuaded to support his nomination simply to widen the choice? Boy they must look back and regret that now.
Even after his nomination was accepted very few people I know, eligible to vote, even considered voting for him but one by one they moved away from the likes of Andy Burnham and announced their support for Jeremy Corbyn.
The biggest problem Labour have is that those who elect the leader are not representative of those who vote for them.
At this stage it seems the next leader will need to meet 2 out of the following.
Doesn’t represent a London constituency
Female
Not white.
Starmer doesn’t meet any of thrm |
Remember when a lot of people joined the Labour party just to vote for Corbyn as the leader for a joke and then Labour supporters laughed at them when Labour did ok in 2017. I bet those people are having a good old laugh at Labour supporters now. He who laughs last, laughs longest. | | | |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:57 - Dec 18 with 1643 views | chicoazul |
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/18/demagogues-power-rewilding
Reading this is watching the scales fall from a Marxist's eyes.
"Mainstream politics, controlled by party machines, has sought to reduce the phenomenal complexity of human society into a simple, linear model that can be controlled from the centre. The political and economic systems it creates are simultaneously highly unstable and lacking in dynamism; susceptible to collapse, as many northern towns can testify, while unable to regenerate themselves."
(caveat; I like George M's writings and think he is an excellent columnist who always makes me think). | |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 12:05 - Dec 18 with 1609 views | GlasgowBlue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 09:50 - Dec 18 by baxterbasics |
Starmer is clearly the best option for Labour, and the one candidate that the government might have something to fear from.
But the "need" for a woman candidate and Momentum's hold on the process means he will struggle to win. |
Sounds like the current leadership are trying to control the election process to get their (wo)man in Corbyn's place.
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 12:29 - Dec 18 with 1578 views | GeoffSentence |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 09:50 - Dec 18 by baxterbasics |
Starmer is clearly the best option for Labour, and the one candidate that the government might have something to fear from.
But the "need" for a woman candidate and Momentum's hold on the process means he will struggle to win. |
The thing about Kier Starmer is that he always looks surprised. |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 12:31 - Dec 18 with 1570 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 11:45 - Dec 18 by StokieBlue |
He's gotten really stuck in this morning during his speech.
"Instead, we pursued a path of almost comic indecision - alienated both sides of the debate,"
Pretty much spot on there. Obviously won't go down well with many.
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Blair's a bit shameless criticising Corbyn's economic and foreign policy stances though, given his record on those two things (Iraq and PFI debacle). |  |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 13:03 - Dec 18 with 1518 views | giant_stow |
I reckon the following twitter thread is very illuminating. Starts off with Owen Jones making threats on behalf of the Labour membership. Respondants rightly point out that they could well be the biggest problem the party has.
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 13:07 - Dec 18 with 1501 views | lowhouseblue |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 13:03 - Dec 18 by giant_stow |
I reckon the following twitter thread is very illuminating. Starts off with Owen Jones making threats on behalf of the Labour membership. Respondants rightly point out that they could well be the biggest problem the party has.
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poor old owen. he's never entirely sure if he's chosen the right horse to smarmy up to, and in any case the smarying is never reciprocated. | |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 13:20 - Dec 18 with 1462 views | giant_stow |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 13:07 - Dec 18 by lowhouseblue |
poor old owen. he's never entirely sure if he's chosen the right horse to smarmy up to, and in any case the smarying is never reciprocated. |
He's had a bad few years, for sure. Bit of a busted flush. | |
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| Interview with Keir Starmer on 13:44 - Dec 18 with 1417 views | MaySixth |
| Interview with Keir Starmer on 10:01 - Dec 18 by BloomBlue |
No. If he knew things were wrong and couldn't change them when part of the shadow cabinet he will never change them. He is part of the problem not part of the solution. |
Have you ever met Seamus Milne? |  |
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