| This Lambert contract then 13:30 - Jan 2 with 7059 views | itfcjoe |
I didn't read much of the reaction as news landed as I parked up at Wycombe yesterday, but spoke to a lot of fans about it and it seems there is an element of disbelief about it.
It seems totally unnecessary to me, and had heard a couple of weeks back it was happening, but just assumed it had been shelved as been playing so poorly since.
The length of it is mind boggling, and can only assume there is a break clause or pay out set in it as we wouldn't be paying up the whole thing if we were to sack him. But has potential to make Evans look a bit stupid as is with a 5 1/2 year deal for a manager that hasn't achieved much on the pitch.
I think he had long enough on his deal that this shouldn't have even been a consideration this season, had we got promoted could see the sense in an extension, but in 12 months time we could easily be mid table in L1 and he'd still have 6 months to run and be needing to be sacked!
I've said for a while that Plan A needs to be Lambert sorting it out and stumbling on something and sticking to it, but that is now Plan A, B and C!
I worry about some of the stuff coming out of the club re his management and hope that the big chat after Lincoln will address some of these issues, and he goes back to basics and gets us organised in the first instance |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 14:52 - Jan 2 with 3053 views | J2BLUE |
I worry about some of the stuff coming out of the club re his management
Any hints? |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 14:54 - Jan 2 with 3051 views | monty_radio |
Tying someone on a long contract usually reflects their imagined worth to head hunters. Yet this seems to buck the basic law of supply and demand. Is M.E. really persuaded we have a gem? Did 'Arry tell him? Or, if it was M.E.'s response to a perceived threat of losing P.L. , then from where did Marcus get the idea of a five-year template? |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 14:59 - Jan 2 with 3031 views | PhilTWTD |
| This Lambert contract then on 14:44 - Jan 2 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Any possibility that following the downturn in form we attempted to put things on hold or move the goalposts, which prompted Lambert’s comments post-Gillingham? This was my best guess - but obviously remains very much that! |
No, not got the impression it was that that held up the announcement. |  | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:06 - Jan 2 with 3013 views | Radlett_blue |
| This Lambert contract then on 14:43 - Jan 2 by Dyland |
Really? You think his original contract had a clause for promotion from League One should we be relegated? That's pretty damning of Evans' management of Hurst's arrival and its fallout if even at that stage in the season he had a chat with Lambert and were considering relegation that seriously. I guess such clauses are standard but it's all such a shower. MEG and Lambert given such an easy ride so far. Pathetic. |
You would have thought that Lambert would have negotiated a chunky bonus for keeping Town up last season. While a tough task, it was by no means impossible & Mick got a decent bonus for keeping us up in his first season (much easier task than Lambert's though). |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 15:37 - Jan 2 with 2959 views | homer_123 |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:06 - Jan 2 by Radlett_blue |
You would have thought that Lambert would have negotiated a chunky bonus for keeping Town up last season. While a tough task, it was by no means impossible & Mick got a decent bonus for keeping us up in his first season (much easier task than Lambert's though). |
Was it easier for Mick? |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 15:39 - Jan 2 with 2957 views | homer_123 |
| This Lambert contract then on 14:52 - Jan 2 by J2BLUE |
I worry about some of the stuff coming out of the club re his management
Any hints? |
I'm more worried about our form. | |
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| This Lambert contract then on 15:45 - Jan 2 with 2950 views | Garv |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:37 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
Was it easier for Mick? |
With the likes of Murphy, Cresswell, Berra, DJ Campbell, Smith, Edwards, even Martin...I think it was easier. |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 15:49 - Jan 2 with 2941 views | homer_123 |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:45 - Jan 2 by Garv |
With the likes of Murphy, Cresswell, Berra, DJ Campbell, Smith, Edwards, even Martin...I think it was easier. |
You were doing well until Martin. | |
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| This Lambert contract then on 18:35 - Jan 2 with 2874 views | BlueBadger |
| This Lambert contract then on 13:32 - Jan 2 by clive_baker |
It quite patently will have some sort of break clause, that's typical. Evans isn't stupid, if anything I wouldn't be surprised if it makes it easier for us to get rid of him if we fail to go up. |
His decisions in the last decade or so rather contradict that theory.. |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 19:03 - Jan 2 with 2853 views | tractorboy1978 |
| This Lambert contract then on 13:43 - Jan 2 by Mullet |
Evans doesn't handle conflict at all well it seems, and clearly the type you get in football doesn't translate to his boardroom experience hence the catalogue of fcuk ups over the years.
A lot of people were very gallows humour about it, but I think it shows once again how out of sync Evans is with us and always will be. There were rumours floating about the game that we'd approached someone else recently. So it strikes a contrast that we go and do this, especially after the Gillingham stuff.
If only Mick had been given this sort of backing when things were far better. The gloss on this "League One tour" and the away ends have markedly turned during this run. Lots of handbags at Lincoln and Gillingham alike, which makes me think that as soon as the novelty of touring these sh1tholes and ticking them off goes crowds will fall sharply if we fail to go up.
Today's baffling comments and lack of tact make me think that we have accepted to losing Downes/Woolfy and want to sell them and Bart asap to try and bully our way back up. I hope not, because ultimately Lambert should need no more than the permission to let some chaff go this window and make one key signing if necessary. Beyond that he should be focussing on getting back to getting way more out of this squad than the last two months have yielded.
It's telling that he couldn't handle the dressing rooms at Stoke or Villa, and if it's the same here with the players we have that's a huge concern. I suspect that those relishing Chambo/Skuse going are in for a shock as they'll not be the ones Lambert is worried about - if they're not on board now they can be gone easier than most. If he's not improved us by the end of this summer window he'll have had the 3 or 4 he was quoted about needing, I'm confident he will because it's impossible not to. |
If you can keep your head when all about you
Are losing theirs and blaming it on you,
If you can trust yourself when all men doubt you,
But make allowance for their doubting too | | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 19:30 - Jan 2 with 2834 views | Churchman |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:45 - Jan 2 by Garv |
With the likes of Murphy, Cresswell, Berra, DJ Campbell, Smith, Edwards, even Martin...I think it was easier. |
Spot on. Lambert inherited just about the worst team the professional club had ever had and a club neglected for years. Rotten to the core. At least McCarthy had some decent players to work with.
The 5 year contract for Lambert staggered me. I have always thought him an average at best manager and nothing I’ve seen changes that. However, the wreck that is ITFC didn’t need yet another manager at this time. In fact it needs stability and this ultimately reversible decision gives a bit of that. I think lambert cares about the club, is getting a feel for it and wants it to progress inside out In an age of lack of patience and nothing but endless debt. Maybe that’s what we need?
But then I thought Hurst was a great appointment.....doh! |  | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 19:35 - Jan 2 with 2829 views | Keaneish |
I don’t say this lightly but I see this month as pivotal to the future of this football club. Agree with Steve_M that I’m glad this eradicates speculation and uncertainty but I’m as surprised as anyone. It really does show solidarity which at this time is great but it is also hugely questionable. Still, if it nips the rumor mill in the bud and gets the club focussed on winning football matches again, that’s all that matters to me right now.
I think we found our system and side (almost) yesterday and we have a favorable few matches coming up. Win them with the same system going into the Rotherham game and the complexion of this all changes.
4-years though...🤷ðŸ¼â€â™‚ï¸ |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 19:40 - Jan 2 with 2818 views | TractorWood |
Yeah, agree. No idea why it was necessary. Seems a bizzare move with poor timing.
As someone said earlier, it's pointless dwelling on it as it seems this sort of thing will always happen with the club's current framework.
Upatowen. |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 19:43 - Jan 2 with 2809 views | Freddy |
| This Lambert contract then on 14:25 - Jan 2 by PhilTWTD |
From what I gather it had been agreed for a few weeks with one or two minor things being sorted in the background since then, so the deal itself pre-dates the recent downturn. I had wondered whether it had all been out on hold because of the recent run and PL's Boxing Day comments, but evidently not. There will be break clauses etc in the deal if things don't work out. |
Glad there's a break clause | | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 19:47 - Jan 2 with 2801 views | ottovonbismark |
| This Lambert contract then on 19:40 - Jan 2 by TractorWood |
Yeah, agree. No idea why it was necessary. Seems a bizzare move with poor timing.
As someone said earlier, it's pointless dwelling on it as it seems this sort of thing will always happen with the club's current framework.
Upatowen. |
Evans and Lambert - united by their incompetence, they deserve each other.
Evans is and always will be the worst thing to happen to this club. My only way of understanding this contract extension is that Lambert said to him, ‘look they players won’t respond to me if they know I’m gone in 18 months’. But I agree with others who say chambers and skuse need to be offloaded , driftwood at this stage the pair of them. | | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 12:07 - Jan 3 with 2675 views | FoghornGleghorn |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:45 - Jan 2 by Garv |
With the likes of Murphy, Cresswell, Berra, DJ Campbell, Smith, Edwards, even Martin...I think it was easier. |
Of course it was. Mick inherited the majority of a team accustomed to playing at Championship level or higher. Lambert inherited the majority of a team accustomed to playing at League One level or lower. Mick's achievement was incredible, but it's astonishing how many people seem to think Lambert should have been able to steer the ship back on course in the same season Hurst blew it up. | | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 12:58 - Jan 3 with 2645 views | itfcjoe |
| This Lambert contract then on 12:07 - Jan 3 by FoghornGleghorn |
Of course it was. Mick inherited the majority of a team accustomed to playing at Championship level or higher. Lambert inherited the majority of a team accustomed to playing at League One level or lower. Mick's achievement was incredible, but it's astonishing how many people seem to think Lambert should have been able to steer the ship back on course in the same season Hurst blew it up. |
I think it is fair to have expected more from Lambert last year, we finished below a Bolton side who were totally screwed and didn't even put up a fight in reality | |
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| This Lambert contract then on 13:51 - Jan 3 with 2605 views | longtimefan |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:45 - Jan 2 by Garv |
With the likes of Murphy, Cresswell, Berra, DJ Campbell, Smith, Edwards, even Martin...I think it was easier. |
MM didn't inherit Berra, he signed him at the start of his second season as our manager. | | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 16:43 - Jan 3 with 2563 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| This Lambert contract then on 15:45 - Jan 2 by Garv |
With the likes of Murphy, Cresswell, Berra, DJ Campbell, Smith, Edwards, even Martin...I think it was easier. |
Murphy had scored 12 goals in 5 years when McCarthy took over
Berra wasn’t at the club
Campbell was so good he scored 2 whole more professional goals after leaving us
Smith was one of 2 permanent centre halves at the club
Edwards was playing right back as we didn’t have one
Lee Martin is dreadful
The squad McCarthy inherited was an absolute mess stuffed to the brim with loanees and short term options who were either has-beens or never-weres, or quite simply couldn’t give a f*ck |  |
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| I whined like the whiny little bitch..... on 16:49 - Jan 3 with 2554 views | GeoffSentence |
| I whined like the whiny little bitch..... on 14:45 - Jan 2 by Bloots |
…..that I am, obviously.
It's symptomatic of Evans' remarkable ability to make totally the wrong decisions at every possible turn.
My position on Lambert will remain unchanged, in my opinion he's completely the wrong man for many, many reasons.
However even I know it's pointless banging on about it because most people don't realise it's possible to support the team unreservedly whilst still believing that it's being managed/run by a group of totally clueless turds.
I'm going to give up moaning about Lambert and Evans, but continue to support the team in just the same way that I have for the last 30 odd years.
COYFBs. |
So, you're a Johnny-come-lately. |  |
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| This Lambert contract then on 17:04 - Jan 3 with 2518 views | Radlett_blue |
| This Lambert contract then on 16:43 - Jan 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Murphy had scored 12 goals in 5 years when McCarthy took over
Berra wasn’t at the club
Campbell was so good he scored 2 whole more professional goals after leaving us
Smith was one of 2 permanent centre halves at the club
Edwards was playing right back as we didn’t have one
Lee Martin is dreadful
The squad McCarthy inherited was an absolute mess stuffed to the brim with loanees and short term options who were either has-beens or never-weres, or quite simply couldn’t give a f*ck |
Shows what a decent Championship manager can do, eh?
Mick is the only decent manager Town have had since Joe Royle. | |
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| This Lambert contract then on 18:12 - Jan 3 with 2480 views | PJH |
| This Lambert contract then on 17:04 - Jan 3 by Radlett_blue |
Shows what a decent Championship manager can do, eh?
Mick is the only decent manager Town have had since Joe Royle. |
Don't think anyone can sensibly contradict that.
One day, after getting us back up (this season) establishing us in The Championship(where MM left us) and challenging for playoffs/promotion from The Championship then just maybe PL could be considered to be nearly as good as MM.
To better MM he will need to actually take us into the top division because us going down last season without a fight is a minus in his ledger. |  | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 21:39 - Jan 3 with 2421 views | Oxford_Blue |
| This Lambert contract then on 13:36 - Jan 2 by homer_123 |
Contracts are meaningless in football anyway. So it's all rather moot.
If you do step back though for a second - there is a logic in tying Lambert to it - he's less likely to walk (which he has form for) but genuinely - our stock has fallen so much - who could we replace him with?
I'm not saying I'm happy with the contract being given - but if you step back and look at the bigger picture that can really only be the two reasons Evans has done it.
As I posted the other day:
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Why are contracts meaningless?
What do you mean?
If the club has drafted it properly, it will allow them to serve notice and not pay off Lambert in certain situations. | | | |
| This Lambert contract then on 16:53 - Jan 4 with 2293 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| This Lambert contract then on 16:43 - Jan 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Murphy had scored 12 goals in 5 years when McCarthy took over
Berra wasn’t at the club
Campbell was so good he scored 2 whole more professional goals after leaving us
Smith was one of 2 permanent centre halves at the club
Edwards was playing right back as we didn’t have one
Lee Martin is dreadful
The squad McCarthy inherited was an absolute mess stuffed to the brim with loanees and short term options who were either has-beens or never-weres, or quite simply couldn’t give a f*ck |
‘Lee Martin is dreadful’
Oh FFS | |
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| This Lambert contract then on 20:37 - Jan 6 with 2231 views | Garv |
| This Lambert contract then on 16:43 - Jan 3 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
Murphy had scored 12 goals in 5 years when McCarthy took over
Berra wasn’t at the club
Campbell was so good he scored 2 whole more professional goals after leaving us
Smith was one of 2 permanent centre halves at the club
Edwards was playing right back as we didn’t have one
Lee Martin is dreadful
The squad McCarthy inherited was an absolute mess stuffed to the brim with loanees and short term options who were either has-beens or never-weres, or quite simply couldn’t give a f*ck |
Murphy was always a good championship player, blossomed into a very good one.
Berra - my mistake
Campbell - again, a championship player. Was doing well even before Mick arrived.
What's the number of centre halves or the lack of a right back got to do with Smith and Edwards being capable championship players? Smith was a huge part of that defence, and Edwards got moved to right midfield anyway.
Martin might have been a flop but had contributed previously. If he'd cost 100k he'd not be viewed with such disdain.
He had Championship players essentially. | |
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