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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move 08:52 - Jan 8 with 4108 viewsElderGrizzly

And Trump has bought it. The Americans should be looking elsewhere for the real ‘revenge’ attack.

And with a passenger jet exploding in mid-air 2 minutes after take off from Tehran, it is not a good day for the Middle East. The Ukrainians have disputed the Iranians saying it was technical failure, given no-one had examined the wreckage and it takes months to determine this.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister has hinted at a bomb or missile and has started a criminal investigation.
What is clear, is the plane was on fire as it came down, not only on impact.



Missiles were being fired in the area and Iranian special forces have the black boxes

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 08:59 - Jan 8 with 2947 viewsDanTheMan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51032651

British nationals on the plane, so if it turns out that it wasn't an technical failure this really isn't going to end well...

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:00 - Jan 8 with 2943 viewsGeoffSentence

Are you suggesting that this is linked to the current tension between Iran and the US?

The timing is certainly highly coincidental but both Ukraine and Iran are saying that there is no such link. Most of the people on board where Iranians so it doesn't make any sense for it to have been shot down by an Iranian missile.

In the absence of any other evidence, at the moment it appears to be nothing more than a horrible coincidence. Maybe something will come out later, but right now this sort of speculation is close to hysterical.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:02 - Jan 8 with 2936 viewsGeoffSentence

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 08:59 - Jan 8 by DanTheMan

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-51032651

British nationals on the plane, so if it turns out that it wasn't an technical failure this really isn't going to end well...


Most of the passengers were Iranian. What organisation in Iran would be prepared to kill 140 Iranians to get at 3 British nationals?

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:07 - Jan 8 with 2914 viewsElderGrizzly

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:00 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

Are you suggesting that this is linked to the current tension between Iran and the US?

The timing is certainly highly coincidental but both Ukraine and Iran are saying that there is no such link. Most of the people on board where Iranians so it doesn't make any sense for it to have been shot down by an Iranian missile.

In the absence of any other evidence, at the moment it appears to be nothing more than a horrible coincidence. Maybe something will come out later, but right now this sort of speculation is close to hysterical.


The Ukrainian Foreign Ministry has just said it is a criminal act, while the Iranians are saying it is technical failure.

They are not aligned at all.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:07 - Jan 8 with 2912 viewsDanTheMan

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:02 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

Most of the passengers were Iranian. What organisation in Iran would be prepared to kill 140 Iranians to get at 3 British nationals?


No idea, as you say the Ukranian embassy is saying the same thing, that it was an engine failure.

Trying to find a source on what's in the OP about the foreign minster but I am struggling.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:09 - Jan 8 with 2901 viewshampstead_blue

To get any attack like that organised in such a short time is pretty impressive.

I'd say that a lot of 'speculation' is going to be good for Iran. They can leverage that for their own use.
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:10 - Jan 8 with 2884 viewsGeoffSentence

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:07 - Jan 8 by DanTheMan

No idea, as you say the Ukranian embassy is saying the same thing, that it was an engine failure.

Trying to find a source on what's in the OP about the foreign minster but I am struggling.


Radio four reporting that Ukraine and Iran agree that it is not linked to the current tensions.

Haven't found anything else out there yet.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:13 - Jan 8 with 2875 viewsGeoffSentence

Ukrainian news is reporting it as a technical failure too

https://www.unian.info/world/10821479-mfa-ukraine-on-ps752-crash-near-tehran-ter

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of Ukraine has commented on the versions of the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 crash near Tehran airport, saying a terror attack and a missile hit have so far been ruled out."

Where are you getting this idea that they are saying anything else?


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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:15 - Jan 8 with 2865 viewsElderGrizzly

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:10 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

Radio four reporting that Ukraine and Iran agree that it is not linked to the current tensions.

Haven't found anything else out there yet.


Not saying it is directly linked to the current tensions, but the Ukrainians are claiming a criminal act, not technical failure.

Plane was serviced on 6th January in Kiev, so a mistake could have been made there, but unlikely.

Too early for either side to claim anything tbh, but those who listen to cockpit chatter have said the crew made no mention of any technical issue and no mayday calls. That indicates a catastrophic failure such as an explosion, not a simple engine failure
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:18 - Jan 8 with 2832 viewsElderGrizzly

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:13 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

Ukrainian news is reporting it as a technical failure too

https://www.unian.info/world/10821479-mfa-ukraine-on-ps752-crash-near-tehran-ter

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of Ukraine has commented on the versions of the Ukraine International Airlines Boeing 737-800 crash near Tehran airport, saying a terror attack and a missile hit have so far been ruled out."

Where are you getting this idea that they are saying anything else?


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From Ukrainian contacts at work, who were relaying this message widely earlier today.

All media management at this point and wouldn’t expect them to say anything else publicly right now.

Edit: the Ukrainian President has literally just gone on national TV and repeated the criminal act claim
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:46 - Jan 8 with 2662 viewsGlasgowBlue

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:18 - Jan 8 by ElderGrizzly

From Ukrainian contacts at work, who were relaying this message widely earlier today.

All media management at this point and wouldn’t expect them to say anything else publicly right now.

Edit: the Ukrainian President has literally just gone on national TV and repeated the criminal act claim
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Arabic newspaper Al-Hadath saying it was a stray missile (If Maajjid's translation is correct)


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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:51 - Jan 8 with 2643 viewsGeoffSentence

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:46 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue

Arabic newspaper Al-Hadath saying it was a stray missile (If Maajjid's translation is correct)



this is how google translates it

# Iran - News of the Ukrainian plane crashing as a result of accidentally hitting an Iranian missile

If this is what happened, what a staggering act of incompetency, striking back at the US by killing dozens of their own citizens.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:51 - Jan 8 with 2643 viewsSarge

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:02 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

Most of the passengers were Iranian. What organisation in Iran would be prepared to kill 140 Iranians to get at 3 British nationals?


Remember, the US orchestrated an attack to kill 3000 of mostly its own people on 9/11 so it could go steal some oil...

.....or some nonsense like that
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:54 - Jan 8 with 2627 viewsPinewoodblue

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:46 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue

Arabic newspaper Al-Hadath saying it was a stray missile (If Maajjid's translation is correct)



Telegraph now reporting that stray missile cannot be ruled out.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:54 - Jan 8 with 2626 viewsIpswichKnight

Not first time governments can't agree on the reason, the Egypt air crash a few years back was blamed on terrorists by the Egyptians who to this day still claim that, while the French investigators laid the blame on the pilots for charging electronics in the cabin. Will wait to see what the black ( actually Orange ) boxes say.
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:57 - Jan 8 with 2610 viewschicoazul

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:51 - Jan 8 by Sarge

Remember, the US orchestrated an attack to kill 3000 of mostly its own people on 9/11 so it could go steal some oil...

.....or some nonsense like that


Jet fuel can't melt steel beams.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:59 - Jan 8 with 2603 viewsStokieBlue

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:51 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

this is how google translates it

# Iran - News of the Ukrainian plane crashing as a result of accidentally hitting an Iranian missile

If this is what happened, what a staggering act of incompetency, striking back at the US by killing dozens of their own citizens.


It's looking a bit dodgy - according to the Guardian the Ukraine government has pulled it's tweet that it was an accident and the Iranians are refusing to give up the black box.

Totally unsubstantiated rumours that it was mistaken for an incoming US plane which seems unlikely.

More evidence is needed - it's all speculation at the moment.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:11 - Jan 8 with 2548 viewsGlasgowBlue

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:51 - Jan 8 by Sarge

Remember, the US orchestrated an attack to kill 3000 of mostly its own people on 9/11 so it could go steal some oil...

.....or some nonsense like that


Where is CIL or Bluesquid when you need them?

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:20 - Jan 8 with 2522 viewsm14_blue

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 09:00 - Jan 8 by GeoffSentence

Are you suggesting that this is linked to the current tension between Iran and the US?

The timing is certainly highly coincidental but both Ukraine and Iran are saying that there is no such link. Most of the people on board where Iranians so it doesn't make any sense for it to have been shot down by an Iranian missile.

In the absence of any other evidence, at the moment it appears to be nothing more than a horrible coincidence. Maybe something will come out later, but right now this sort of speculation is close to hysterical.


I'm not sure that's fair at all.

I doubt it was deliberate but it really would be one hell of a coincidence if the 2 events are unrelated.
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:38 - Jan 8 with 2460 viewsBluesquid

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:11 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue

Where is CIL or Bluesquid when you need them?


Name dropping people in threads, how nice. That about sums you up.

But the ironic thing is that you won't even be reading this post as you have me on ignore.

Why? Well that is because i called you out on your bs peddling when you claimed that Iran wants to see a Jew free Middle East when in fact Iran's Jewish community is the largest in the Middle East outside Israel.

A fine example of the nasty stuff that you push, bravo.
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:39 - Jan 8 with 2457 viewsMeadowlark

Why so many "Canadians" on board?
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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:54 - Jan 8 with 2395 viewsSouperJim

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:51 - Jan 8 by Sarge

Remember, the US orchestrated an attack to kill 3000 of mostly its own people on 9/11 so it could go steal some oil...

.....or some nonsense like that


While I'm not saying I agree with the conspiracy theory, if you think the US are not capable of morally dubious acts and killing a large number of their own in order to protect their way of life, see the Iraq war for starters. And we are no better.

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:57 - Jan 8 with 2383 viewsSouperJim

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:39 - Jan 8 by Meadowlark

Why so many "Canadians" on board?


Presumably it was headed somewhere where you can then get a connecting flight to Canada?

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 12:59 - Jan 8 with 2369 viewsSwansea_Blue

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:59 - Jan 8 by StokieBlue

It's looking a bit dodgy - according to the Guardian the Ukraine government has pulled it's tweet that it was an accident and the Iranians are refusing to give up the black box.

Totally unsubstantiated rumours that it was mistaken for an incoming US plane which seems unlikely.

More evidence is needed - it's all speculation at the moment.

SB


But the speculation's the fun bit!

(Unless the world's greatest superpower has a man baby hovering over a nuclear button, I suppose).

I was going to say time will tell, but if this was a hostile act even by mistake I can't imagine we'll ever find out. They've no reason to claim it, even if it was them which it may well not be.

So, the decade's got off to a good start anyway...

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Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 13:46 - Jan 8 with 2264 viewsGuthrum

Iranian attack in Iraq is a deflection move on 11:46 - Jan 8 by GlasgowBlue

Arabic newspaper Al-Hadath saying it was a stray missile (If Maajjid's translation is correct)



Extremely unlikely to have been a 'stray' ballistic missile, chances of that are miniscule. Timing also does not match that of the known missile strikes.

An over-enthusiastic/jumpy fighter controller or commander of an anti-aircraft missile battery, on the other hand, is quite a likely scenario (happened with MH17, the Vincennes incident and KAL007).
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