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So that's Erasmus gone then 09:20 - Jan 9 with 3565 views

MPs have voted against New Clause 10 being read a second time, by 344 votes to 254.

This new clause would have required the Government to seek to negotiate continuing full membership of the EUâ€™s Erasmus+ education and youth programme.
— UK House of Commons (@HouseofCommons) January 8, 2020

British youngsters (and some older folks too) were among the largest beneficiaries in the EU of this scheme - we used to send about 40,000 people a year overseas to study, train, volunteer or gain professional development experience.

And we were one of the largest providers of training in the EU under the programme, benefiting countless organisations in this country.

Contemptuous w@nkers.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:22 - Jan 9 with 2018 views

BlueBadger

It's all part of our glorious, expert-free future.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:24 - Jan 9 with 2008 views

WD19

I am being lazy, but do we know if the government position is against continuing with this, or just against being ‘required’ by law to ensure the his continues?

Presumably in any future negotiations the fewer hands we have tied behind backs is the aim!! Or is it simply that the Brexit gang don’t like this?

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:24 - Jan 9 with 2000 views

GlasgowBlue

That’s poor. Even with us leaving the EU there was no reason why the government couldn’t have negotiated a similar cultural and educational exchange programme with the EU.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:25 - Jan 9 with 2000 views

BlueBadger

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:24 - Jan 9 by GlasgowBlue
That’s poor. Even with us leaving the EU there was no reason why the government couldn’t have negotiated a similar cultural and educational exchange programme with the EU.

Sure there is - they're incompetent philistines with no respect for the value of education, training or foreigners.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:26 - Jan 9 with 1985 views

BlueBadger

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:24 - Jan 9 by WD19
I am being lazy, but do we know if the government position is against continuing with this, or just against being ‘required’ by law to ensure the his continues? Presumably in any future negotiations the fewer hands we have tied behind backs is the aim!! Or is it simply that the Brexit gang don’t like this?

It involves, experts, people getting educated(becuase educated people tend to see through them) and foreigners - that's three BIG triggers for them.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:29 - Jan 9 with 1972 views

WD19

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:26 - Jan 9 by BlueBadger
It involves, experts, people getting educated(becuase educated people tend to see through them) and foreigners - that's three BIG triggers for them.

So it’s definitely gone then!? No extension of Erasmus in any form?

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:33 - Jan 9 with 1948 views

artsbossbeard

Insular thinking from an insular country.

Will someone think of the children?

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:36 - Jan 9 with 1935 views

itfcjoe

Guess it is all to be expected now, but still sad to see all the good things the EU offers just being binned off

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:37 - Jan 9 with 1926 views

Steve_M

Ideological vandalism.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:37 - Jan 9 with 1925 views

BlueBadger

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:36 - Jan 9 by itfcjoe
Guess it is all to be expected now, but still sad to see all the good things the EU offers just being binned off

You'll forget about all that when you've got your blue passport and all the foreigners have gone.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:37 - Jan 9 with 1927 views

Swansea_Blue

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:24 - Jan 9 by WD19
I am being lazy, but do we know if the government position is against continuing with this, or just against being ‘required’ by law to ensure the his continues? Presumably in any future negotiations the fewer hands we have tied behind backs is the aim!! Or is it simply that the Brexit gang don’t like this?

Watch this space I guess to see if anything else is suggested as an alternative. There aren't currently any signs from the coalface though.

It's quite hard not reach the conclusion that Badger has got it right.

The other half of this will be what the Govt decides to do (or not) about access to the new Horizon Europe research programme that will be succeeding Horizon 2020. If they pull out of that too it will be a double whammy that will hammer our Universities (and thus innovation, global competitiveness,etc) at a time when they are already being pressured due to a drop of in EU student numbers (thanks to the triple whammy of turning students into commodities).

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:40 - Jan 9 with 1900 views

SouperJim

2020 is going to be the year of BCWYWF

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:43 - Jan 9 with 1878 views

BlueBadger

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:40 - Jan 9 by SouperJim
2020 is going to be the year of BCWYWF

I'm impressed that no-one's come on to tell us to 'shut up, you lost' whilst not actually telling us what they've WON yet.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:54 - Jan 9 with 1825 views

factual_blue

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:33 - Jan 9 by artsbossbeard
Insular thinking from an insular country. Will someone think of the children?

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giant_stow

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:33 - Jan 9 by artsbossbeard
Insular thinking from an insular country. Will someone think of the children?

Too late to think of their kids - they were busy whining about foreigners.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:57 - Jan 9 with 1808 views

m14_blue

Why would we not want to stay part of this?

Serious question.

So that's Erasmus gone then on 10:08 - Jan 9 with 1763 views

factual_blue

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:57 - Jan 9 by m14_blue
Why would we not want to stay part of this? Serious question.

Because the driving force behind the 'eurosceptics', the erg, farage etc is unremitting xenophobia/racism.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 10:16 - Jan 9 with 1737 views

Swansea_Blue

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:57 - Jan 9 by m14_blue
Why would we not want to stay part of this? Serious question.

To appease Brexiteers I suspect. As Steve said, it simply comes across as ideological vandalism.

In theory we could replace this with something just for Brits. How that would work, who knows. It wouldn't have the underpinning freedoms behind it that facilitate easy travel and rights to work. It would require negotiations with 27 other states to put separate individual country arrangements in place, which they may not be keen on seeing that they already have a functioning programme with Erasmus.

We can't duplicate or improve on Erasmus as a lone country. Maybe we'll just end up doing something more locally in the UK or give out grants but leave all the organisation up to the individual? They could sell this as providing global opportunities, not just tied to the EU. Or maybe we won't be offering these types of opportunities in the future. I've no idea.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 10:20 - Jan 9 with 1720 views

Pinewoodblue

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:37 - Jan 9 by Swansea_Blue

It might lead to a shake up that many seem to feel is needed. There are Universities in serious financial difficulty having overstretched themselves.

For example many courses could be reduced from three to two years.

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I like this 'taking back control' malarkey...

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 12:53 - Jan 9 with 1537 views

eireblue

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:40 - Jan 9 by SouperJim
2020 is going to be the year of BCWYWF

You spelled “start of the decade” wrong

So that's Erasmus gone then on 13:11 - Jan 9 with 1504 views

SomethingBlue

Have to hold out hope that there is a whole generation of people who will not forgive these vandals and that the picture can look very different in a decade.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 13:14 - Jan 9 with 1482 views

Guthrum

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:57 - Jan 9 by m14_blue
Why would we not want to stay part of this? Serious question.

Because we'd probably have to pay something, which involves giving money to the EU, which is a Bad Thing.

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So that's Erasmus gone then on 13:43 - Jan 9 with 1403 views

eireblue

My assumption is that after Jan 31st, nobody in the Tory party will user the word “Brexit”.

Brexit will be done and anything after that will just be a normal independent country negotiating relationships and deals.

So the Tories will withdraw from everything that has an element of management or control, executed by the EU, to make sure people can’t say they haven’t delivered Brexit.

So that's Erasmus gone then on 14:13 - Jan 9 with 1358 views

Pendejo

So that's Erasmus gone then on 09:25 - Jan 9 by BlueBadger
Sure there is - they're incompetent philistines with no respect for the value of education, training or foreigners.

I disagree with your comment, though I suspect our underlying sentiment will be similar.

They respect the value of education, as long as you can afford to pay for it (Eton, etc), if you can't then you are a serf and don't deserve the opportunity... Yet they keep getting elected.

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