| Good. Another 5 year plan 09:40 - Jan 10 with 970 views | r2d2 |
How many 5 year plans have we had under Evans since he has been here? Now another one that wont work. We dont needed tippy tappy football to get out of this league, we need big lumps who put themselves about. Our team are a bunch of fairies compared to most in this division. Trying to play fancy stuff wont work. Not that lve seen much evidence of it anyway. |  | | |  |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:37 - Jan 10 with 899 views | ArnieM |
Some people are just plain thick aren’t they!
When Evans interviewed Lambert for the job, they would have discussed how they saw the way forward for Ipswich Town FC. Evans, on what he wanted and Lambert on what he felt he and his team could bring to the table. A partnership evolved between the two and the 5-year plan (overall goal to win promotions, stabilise the Club and develop our own) was formulated.
Under Lambert the WHOLE CLUB is under review and being brought up to scratch . Unlike the short term approach by his predecessors, whereby the first team was their ONLY focus. Meanwhile the Club infrastructure fell into disrepair around them.
Lamberts strengths are one of an all encompassing approach - a refreshing change from that of
1) Hurst who looked to bully his way into player adherence, and the farming out of our young talent, when some of them had more Championship experience than the near complete squad of League One / Two players get brought in,effectively turning the Club into a League One outfit overnight : ( which is where we are now and is Lamberts inheritance )
2) McCarthys “ survival “ strategy, whereby he spent millions in high wages for “ proper blokes” . There wasn’t any plan to develop our academy or bring them through . This is now now a major direction under the 5-year plan ( Hurst was incapable of undertaking, and McCarthy no interest in)
3) Keane: TOTALLY dismantled the infrastructure at Ipswich in his time here as he strove
( unrealistically) to create a mini model of his beloved Man Utd. Ludicrous!
Town fans are fed up with the wait it’s true. But our our owner had been on his own massive learning curve . He is about the Club far more now than he ever was . He doesn’t have to be , so he must have a genuine desire to crack this problem. This is at no little expense to him personally . He doesn’t have to do this . He could easily file for close of business, but he doesn’t.
I believe in Lambert, Marcus Evans has finally found his football soul mate . The job in hand As they have both said, is a “ massive one”, and will take time to evolve. But we are already seeing an influx of academy players into the senior squad . This would NEVER have happened under predecessors.
The fans appear largely on board : the attendances (home : away) appear to support this, and the “ atmosphere “ at games is a far cry from the desperate times under McCarthy ‘s soul destroying and non developmental reign .
We fans have a choice : but into the plan and get busy supporting as we are now, or return to those negative days at PR where thousands were turning their backs on a then dying Club.
Give Evans and Lambert their time to BUILD SOMETHING, and accept that it will take time. |  |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:44 - Jan 10 with 869 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:37 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
Some people are just plain thick aren’t they!
When Evans interviewed Lambert for the job, they would have discussed how they saw the way forward for Ipswich Town FC. Evans, on what he wanted and Lambert on what he felt he and his team could bring to the table. A partnership evolved between the two and the 5-year plan (overall goal to win promotions, stabilise the Club and develop our own) was formulated.
Under Lambert the WHOLE CLUB is under review and being brought up to scratch . Unlike the short term approach by his predecessors, whereby the first team was their ONLY focus. Meanwhile the Club infrastructure fell into disrepair around them.
Lamberts strengths are one of an all encompassing approach - a refreshing change from that of
1) Hurst who looked to bully his way into player adherence, and the farming out of our young talent, when some of them had more Championship experience than the near complete squad of League One / Two players get brought in,effectively turning the Club into a League One outfit overnight : ( which is where we are now and is Lamberts inheritance )
2) McCarthys “ survival “ strategy, whereby he spent millions in high wages for “ proper blokes” . There wasn’t any plan to develop our academy or bring them through . This is now now a major direction under the 5-year plan ( Hurst was incapable of undertaking, and McCarthy no interest in)
3) Keane: TOTALLY dismantled the infrastructure at Ipswich in his time here as he strove
( unrealistically) to create a mini model of his beloved Man Utd. Ludicrous!
Town fans are fed up with the wait it’s true. But our our owner had been on his own massive learning curve . He is about the Club far more now than he ever was . He doesn’t have to be , so he must have a genuine desire to crack this problem. This is at no little expense to him personally . He doesn’t have to do this . He could easily file for close of business, but he doesn’t.
I believe in Lambert, Marcus Evans has finally found his football soul mate . The job in hand As they have both said, is a “ massive one”, and will take time to evolve. But we are already seeing an influx of academy players into the senior squad . This would NEVER have happened under predecessors.
The fans appear largely on board : the attendances (home : away) appear to support this, and the “ atmosphere “ at games is a far cry from the desperate times under McCarthy ‘s soul destroying and non developmental reign .
We fans have a choice : but into the plan and get busy supporting as we are now, or return to those negative days at PR where thousands were turning their backs on a then dying Club.
Give Evans and Lambert their time to BUILD SOMETHING, and accept that it will take time. |
Fair points.
The big question for me is whether ME is a good enough judge of managers to make sure that the right managerial team are in place to deliver the style, and if not whether he takes action when he needs to and can improve us.
At the moment, he has an aim. That's great and a good start. Evan's actions will now determine whether that can be achieved. Maybe we can do that under Lambert but it'll take time and Evans needs to hold his nerve and resist any calls for Lambert to go (which seems to be the current position). But if Lambert can't deliver on that aim, ME needs to recognise that he can't in a timely fashion and put us back on track with someone who can.
I'm not convinced ME is a good enough judge to do that. |  |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:55 - Jan 10 with 842 views | BrianTablet |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:37 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
Some people are just plain thick aren’t they!
When Evans interviewed Lambert for the job, they would have discussed how they saw the way forward for Ipswich Town FC. Evans, on what he wanted and Lambert on what he felt he and his team could bring to the table. A partnership evolved between the two and the 5-year plan (overall goal to win promotions, stabilise the Club and develop our own) was formulated.
Under Lambert the WHOLE CLUB is under review and being brought up to scratch . Unlike the short term approach by his predecessors, whereby the first team was their ONLY focus. Meanwhile the Club infrastructure fell into disrepair around them.
Lamberts strengths are one of an all encompassing approach - a refreshing change from that of
1) Hurst who looked to bully his way into player adherence, and the farming out of our young talent, when some of them had more Championship experience than the near complete squad of League One / Two players get brought in,effectively turning the Club into a League One outfit overnight : ( which is where we are now and is Lamberts inheritance )
2) McCarthys “ survival “ strategy, whereby he spent millions in high wages for “ proper blokes” . There wasn’t any plan to develop our academy or bring them through . This is now now a major direction under the 5-year plan ( Hurst was incapable of undertaking, and McCarthy no interest in)
3) Keane: TOTALLY dismantled the infrastructure at Ipswich in his time here as he strove
( unrealistically) to create a mini model of his beloved Man Utd. Ludicrous!
Town fans are fed up with the wait it’s true. But our our owner had been on his own massive learning curve . He is about the Club far more now than he ever was . He doesn’t have to be , so he must have a genuine desire to crack this problem. This is at no little expense to him personally . He doesn’t have to do this . He could easily file for close of business, but he doesn’t.
I believe in Lambert, Marcus Evans has finally found his football soul mate . The job in hand As they have both said, is a “ massive one”, and will take time to evolve. But we are already seeing an influx of academy players into the senior squad . This would NEVER have happened under predecessors.
The fans appear largely on board : the attendances (home : away) appear to support this, and the “ atmosphere “ at games is a far cry from the desperate times under McCarthy ‘s soul destroying and non developmental reign .
We fans have a choice : but into the plan and get busy supporting as we are now, or return to those negative days at PR where thousands were turning their backs on a then dying Club.
Give Evans and Lambert their time to BUILD SOMETHING, and accept that it will take time. |
Excellent post, mate. |  |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:57 - Jan 10 with 838 views | patrickswell |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:37 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
Some people are just plain thick aren’t they!
When Evans interviewed Lambert for the job, they would have discussed how they saw the way forward for Ipswich Town FC. Evans, on what he wanted and Lambert on what he felt he and his team could bring to the table. A partnership evolved between the two and the 5-year plan (overall goal to win promotions, stabilise the Club and develop our own) was formulated.
Under Lambert the WHOLE CLUB is under review and being brought up to scratch . Unlike the short term approach by his predecessors, whereby the first team was their ONLY focus. Meanwhile the Club infrastructure fell into disrepair around them.
Lamberts strengths are one of an all encompassing approach - a refreshing change from that of
1) Hurst who looked to bully his way into player adherence, and the farming out of our young talent, when some of them had more Championship experience than the near complete squad of League One / Two players get brought in,effectively turning the Club into a League One outfit overnight : ( which is where we are now and is Lamberts inheritance )
2) McCarthys “ survival “ strategy, whereby he spent millions in high wages for “ proper blokes” . There wasn’t any plan to develop our academy or bring them through . This is now now a major direction under the 5-year plan ( Hurst was incapable of undertaking, and McCarthy no interest in)
3) Keane: TOTALLY dismantled the infrastructure at Ipswich in his time here as he strove
( unrealistically) to create a mini model of his beloved Man Utd. Ludicrous!
Town fans are fed up with the wait it’s true. But our our owner had been on his own massive learning curve . He is about the Club far more now than he ever was . He doesn’t have to be , so he must have a genuine desire to crack this problem. This is at no little expense to him personally . He doesn’t have to do this . He could easily file for close of business, but he doesn’t.
I believe in Lambert, Marcus Evans has finally found his football soul mate . The job in hand As they have both said, is a “ massive one”, and will take time to evolve. But we are already seeing an influx of academy players into the senior squad . This would NEVER have happened under predecessors.
The fans appear largely on board : the attendances (home : away) appear to support this, and the “ atmosphere “ at games is a far cry from the desperate times under McCarthy ‘s soul destroying and non developmental reign .
We fans have a choice : but into the plan and get busy supporting as we are now, or return to those negative days at PR where thousands were turning their backs on a then dying Club.
Give Evans and Lambert their time to BUILD SOMETHING, and accept that it will take time. |
Re: young players, I think you’re being harsh on McCarthy who brought through Bishop, Dozzell, Kenlock and Emmanuel. Even in the dog days of his time here the likes of Downes, Nydam, Folami, Morris and Cotter got game time and benefitted from coming into sides that were relatively settled. It just seemed worse because the most promising of those players (Bishop/Dozzell) had injury problems and the others were just at the start of their careers so were managed more carefully. [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 12:09]
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:03 - Jan 10 with 827 views | r2d2 |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:37 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
Some people are just plain thick aren’t they!
When Evans interviewed Lambert for the job, they would have discussed how they saw the way forward for Ipswich Town FC. Evans, on what he wanted and Lambert on what he felt he and his team could bring to the table. A partnership evolved between the two and the 5-year plan (overall goal to win promotions, stabilise the Club and develop our own) was formulated.
Under Lambert the WHOLE CLUB is under review and being brought up to scratch . Unlike the short term approach by his predecessors, whereby the first team was their ONLY focus. Meanwhile the Club infrastructure fell into disrepair around them.
Lamberts strengths are one of an all encompassing approach - a refreshing change from that of
1) Hurst who looked to bully his way into player adherence, and the farming out of our young talent, when some of them had more Championship experience than the near complete squad of League One / Two players get brought in,effectively turning the Club into a League One outfit overnight : ( which is where we are now and is Lamberts inheritance )
2) McCarthys “ survival “ strategy, whereby he spent millions in high wages for “ proper blokes” . There wasn’t any plan to develop our academy or bring them through . This is now now a major direction under the 5-year plan ( Hurst was incapable of undertaking, and McCarthy no interest in)
3) Keane: TOTALLY dismantled the infrastructure at Ipswich in his time here as he strove
( unrealistically) to create a mini model of his beloved Man Utd. Ludicrous!
Town fans are fed up with the wait it’s true. But our our owner had been on his own massive learning curve . He is about the Club far more now than he ever was . He doesn’t have to be , so he must have a genuine desire to crack this problem. This is at no little expense to him personally . He doesn’t have to do this . He could easily file for close of business, but he doesn’t.
I believe in Lambert, Marcus Evans has finally found his football soul mate . The job in hand As they have both said, is a “ massive one”, and will take time to evolve. But we are already seeing an influx of academy players into the senior squad . This would NEVER have happened under predecessors.
The fans appear largely on board : the attendances (home : away) appear to support this, and the “ atmosphere “ at games is a far cry from the desperate times under McCarthy ‘s soul destroying and non developmental reign .
We fans have a choice : but into the plan and get busy supporting as we are now, or return to those negative days at PR where thousands were turning their backs on a then dying Club.
Give Evans and Lambert their time to BUILD SOMETHING, and accept that it will take time. |
If you are saying lm thick mate, then l must say the thickest ones are those who wanted McCarthy out. Because that worked out well didnt it? They are the true numbskulls. The club wont get out of this league playing arty farty football. Anyone who watches can now see that. We need to get back this season or its been an utter failure. Because season ticket sales will go down, tv revenue will be virtually non existent. We will be stuck there for years and maybe lower. So, no lm not thick, lm a realist. | | | |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:05 - Jan 10 with 822 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:03 - Jan 10 by r2d2 |
If you are saying lm thick mate, then l must say the thickest ones are those who wanted McCarthy out. Because that worked out well didnt it? They are the true numbskulls. The club wont get out of this league playing arty farty football. Anyone who watches can now see that. We need to get back this season or its been an utter failure. Because season ticket sales will go down, tv revenue will be virtually non existent. We will be stuck there for years and maybe lower. So, no lm not thick, lm a realist. |
You can get out of any league if you're good enough to play through and around teams. It's just that we're not good enough. | |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:26 - Jan 10 with 794 views | BryanPlug |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:44 - Jan 10 by Swansea_Blue |
Fair points.
The big question for me is whether ME is a good enough judge of managers to make sure that the right managerial team are in place to deliver the style, and if not whether he takes action when he needs to and can improve us.
At the moment, he has an aim. That's great and a good start. Evan's actions will now determine whether that can be achieved. Maybe we can do that under Lambert but it'll take time and Evans needs to hold his nerve and resist any calls for Lambert to go (which seems to be the current position). But if Lambert can't deliver on that aim, ME needs to recognise that he can't in a timely fashion and put us back on track with someone who can.
I'm not convinced ME is a good enough judge to do that. |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:27 - Jan 10 with 789 views | ArnieM |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 11:57 - Jan 10 by patrickswell |
Re: young players, I think you’re being harsh on McCarthy who brought through Bishop, Dozzell, Kenlock and Emmanuel. Even in the dog days of his time here the likes of Downes, Nydam, Folami, Morris and Cotter got game time and benefitted from coming into sides that were relatively settled. It just seemed worse because the most promising of those players (Bishop/Dozzell) had injury problems and the others were just at the start of their careers so were managed more carefully. [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 12:09]
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I knew this would be raised , and fair doos McCarthy did bring some players in. But there was (in my view), never a v c inverted effects to develop and integrate the academy into a stream lined pathway to the first team : they played a totally different style of football under Klug and his team , than McCarthy team, so when a youngster did get a shot at it he’d look like a fish out of water. Also I feel the kids often only got a shot at it when injuries forced McCarthy to use a youngster
I think the whole ethos behind Towns approach since Lambert became manager, I’d to integrate ALL levels of the Clubs teams with the first team. I think Evans had tried today to explain that , but yet again is being challenged on this. | |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:30 - Jan 10 with 777 views | Chrisd |
Give it another week or so and this current plan ME will be bored of and he'll introduce yet another one, it's simply laughable and no wonder we are club on a downward spiral. Honestly, as a leader he radiates a man that really hasn't got any clue what he's doing or has any sustainable idea on how to get us out of this trough. |  |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:36 - Jan 10 with 768 views | Jon_456 |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:05 - Jan 10 by Swansea_Blue |
You can get out of any league if you're good enough to play through and around teams. It's just that we're not good enough. |
The problem is our squad is good enough. Its the best squad in the league and yet Lambert still hasn't developed a system or style of play to get us going. | | | |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:42 - Jan 10 with 757 views | itfcjoe |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:27 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
I knew this would be raised , and fair doos McCarthy did bring some players in. But there was (in my view), never a v c inverted effects to develop and integrate the academy into a stream lined pathway to the first team : they played a totally different style of football under Klug and his team , than McCarthy team, so when a youngster did get a shot at it he’d look like a fish out of water. Also I feel the kids often only got a shot at it when injuries forced McCarthy to use a youngster
I think the whole ethos behind Towns approach since Lambert became manager, I’d to integrate ALL levels of the Clubs teams with the first team. I think Evans had tried today to explain that , but yet again is being challenged on this. |
I think you might be projecting there - Lambert has wanted to separate the academy from the 1st team, more so than Hurst, whereas under Mick it really was one club - players would go across all the time to fill numbers in training and he was really good with them all.
Mick didn't do style of play with them, and it was very much a case of getting them ready to be passed over - which plenty did. But Lambert isn't doing this either, not to any extent.
EDIT - In pre season last year Hurst was at every single U23 and U18 game that didn't clash, I've never seen Lambert at one PSF. He is sometimes at the games at PR but not often in the league games as well [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 13:19]
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:44 - Jan 10 with 750 views | Chrisd |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:36 - Jan 10 by Jon_456 |
The problem is our squad is good enough. Its the best squad in the league and yet Lambert still hasn't developed a system or style of play to get us going. |
We finished bottom for a reason last season. How is our squad rated the best in the league? Some are believing the hype with no justification. Rotherham finished the best out of the relegated sides, perhaps they should have the best squad in L1? | |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:49 - Jan 10 with 740 views | Jon_456 |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:44 - Jan 10 by Chrisd |
We finished bottom for a reason last season. How is our squad rated the best in the league? Some are believing the hype with no justification. Rotherham finished the best out of the relegated sides, perhaps they should have the best squad in L1? |
We finished below Rotherham because they had a clear style of play last season and played to their strengths (lump it up to Matt Smith and have runners off him).
Whilst there may be questions over our defence, we have the best midfield options by a country mile compared to other teams, as well as having one of the best strike partnerships in the league. | | | |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:51 - Jan 10 with 730 views | Chrisd |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:49 - Jan 10 by Jon_456 |
We finished below Rotherham because they had a clear style of play last season and played to their strengths (lump it up to Matt Smith and have runners off him).
Whilst there may be questions over our defence, we have the best midfield options by a country mile compared to other teams, as well as having one of the best strike partnerships in the league. |
5th in league after 23 league games says differently. [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 12:52]
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:08 - Jan 10 with 707 views | r2d2 |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:49 - Jan 10 by Jon_456 |
We finished below Rotherham because they had a clear style of play last season and played to their strengths (lump it up to Matt Smith and have runners off him).
Whilst there may be questions over our defence, we have the best midfield options by a country mile compared to other teams, as well as having one of the best strike partnerships in the league. |
Thats just it, our midfield isnt great. That can be judged by how few chances they create for the strikers or themselves. They quite frankly arnt as good as the hype around them would have. | | | |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:13 - Jan 10 with 696 views | ArnieM |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:51 - Jan 10 by Chrisd |
5th in league after 23 league games says differently. [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 12:52]
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That’s due more to Lamberts constant rotation system, which I simply don’t understand why he’s doing it tbh. If he’d only play a settled style we really could potentially “ walk this League “. It’s The single frustrating aspect of PL managership for me. | |
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:29 - Jan 10 with 674 views | r2d2 |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:13 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
That’s due more to Lamberts constant rotation system, which I simply don’t understand why he’s doing it tbh. If he’d only play a settled style we really could potentially “ walk this League “. It’s The single frustrating aspect of PL managership for me. |
Then he is clueless and isnt the answer then surely? You stick up for him, then say you dont know what he is doing. Makes no sense. Some people are thick arnt they? | | | |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:32 - Jan 10 with 671 views | Chrisd |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:13 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
That’s due more to Lamberts constant rotation system, which I simply don’t understand why he’s doing it tbh. If he’d only play a settled style we really could potentially “ walk this League “. It’s The single frustrating aspect of PL managership for me. |
I've seen no evidence even at the beginning of the season that we were ever going to walk this league. However, I do agree with you Arnie that PL's incessant need to change formation and personnel hasn't really helped matters on the pitch. Nevertheless, lets not get 'blue tinted' here, we were never tearing it up even on our undefeated run of 11 games back in August and September, we were nicking victories or sneaking draws. I don't think we've ever looked dominant in games apart from the odd periods. [Post edited 10 Jan 2020 14:14]
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| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:33 - Jan 10 with 671 views | JDB23 |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 12:27 - Jan 10 by ArnieM |
I knew this would be raised , and fair doos McCarthy did bring some players in. But there was (in my view), never a v c inverted effects to develop and integrate the academy into a stream lined pathway to the first team : they played a totally different style of football under Klug and his team , than McCarthy team, so when a youngster did get a shot at it he’d look like a fish out of water. Also I feel the kids often only got a shot at it when injuries forced McCarthy to use a youngster
I think the whole ethos behind Towns approach since Lambert became manager, I’d to integrate ALL levels of the Clubs teams with the first team. I think Evans had tried today to explain that , but yet again is being challenged on this. |
This was agreed before Lambert came in, if you remember it was one of the big points he made in the summer we brought Hurst in.
Not sure Lambert can be said to be bringing a lot of academy players through, he's only really persisted with Woolf and Downes. Some youth players have had more exposure because of the leasing trophy which other managers before haven't had access to.
Never have bought into Lambert's rhetoric around a young team. | | | |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 14:03 - Jan 10 with 621 views | Garv |
| Good. Another 5 year plan on 13:08 - Jan 10 by r2d2 |
Thats just it, our midfield isnt great. That can be judged by how few chances they create for the strikers or themselves. They quite frankly arnt as good as the hype around them would have. |
I think this comes down to whether people believe the players are good enough on paper and/or whether or not Lambert/the management is the reason they're not creating chances. |  |
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