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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis 16:51 - Jan 12 with 5154 viewsNthsuffolkblue

I believe he is correct but this isn't going to win votes is it?

https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/brexit-campaign-had-racism-at-its-heart-sa

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:51 - Jan 12 with 1461 viewsBackToRussia

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:45 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Bigot.


"I know more about being a black person than a black person" - a non-bigoted white person.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:51 - Jan 12 with 1460 viewsMullet

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:43 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Listen there was definitely xenophobia around the leave camp, racism to black people? not a chance.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-48692863
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/28/subjected-racism-since-brexit-rest-c
https://www.channel4.com/news/racism-in-key-brexit-party-campaign
https://blogs.lse.ac.uk/brexit/2019/10/07/talking-with-british-people-of-colour-

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:52 - Jan 12 with 1452 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:43 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Listen there was definitely xenophobia around the leave camp, racism to black people? not a chance.


Really?

You don't see a lot of overlap between xenophobia and racism?

Name one openly racist person who is not xenophobic. It is like a direct subset.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:02 - Jan 12 with 1416 viewsHerbivore

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:43 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Listen there was definitely xenophobia around the leave camp, racism to black people? not a chance.


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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:06 - Jan 12 with 1408 viewsjeera

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:43 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Listen there was definitely xenophobia around the leave camp, racism to black people? not a chance.


The two cross over significantly.

It's no different to those types who think they're educating you (like you hadn't considered it) and think they're catching you out when they point out that Islam isn't a race.

One of the most worrying things there is that they believe they're being clever, despite the connotations being obvious.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:14 - Jan 12 with 1395 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:19 - Jan 12 by BLUEBEAT



I didn't get that when I first saw it. Now I have spotted it, I will leave it in there so it makes sense!

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:15 - Jan 12 with 1393 viewsm14_blue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:06 - Jan 12 by jeera

The two cross over significantly.

It's no different to those types who think they're educating you (like you hadn't considered it) and think they're catching you out when they point out that Islam isn't a race.

One of the most worrying things there is that they believe they're being clever, despite the connotations being obvious.


That argument is the preserve of total d1ckheads everywhere.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:17 - Jan 12 with 1388 viewsNthsuffolkblue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:15 - Jan 12 by m14_blue

That argument is the preserve of total d1ckheads everywhere.


I actually thought Jeera made a good point … oh, I get you.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:19 - Jan 12 with 1380 viewsjeera

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:17 - Jan 12 by Nthsuffolkblue

I actually thought Jeera made a good point … oh, I get you.


Ha. I almost bit myself but thought I'd let it go!

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:23 - Jan 12 with 1369 viewsGaryCooper

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:17 - Jan 12 by BackToRussia

I would suggest Clive Lewis is more qualified to say than you.


Using that as the bench mark, It is strange then so many on the extreme left and some on here who are not Jewish , insist that the anti-Semitism claimed and evidenced by Jewish people within the labour party does not exist, more rabid hypocrisy.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:25 - Jan 12 with 1363 viewsBackToRussia

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:23 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Using that as the bench mark, It is strange then so many on the extreme left and some on here who are not Jewish , insist that the anti-Semitism claimed and evidenced by Jewish people within the labour party does not exist, more rabid hypocrisy.


Can you point me to where anyone on this forum has ever said that antisemitism doesn't exist within the Labour party?

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:27 - Jan 12 with 1355 viewsjeera

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:23 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Using that as the bench mark, It is strange then so many on the extreme left and some on here who are not Jewish , insist that the anti-Semitism claimed and evidenced by Jewish people within the labour party does not exist, more rabid hypocrisy.


Please stop using emotive language like 'extreme' left.

No one who chats with you here on a daily basis is extreme anything and it spoils any chance of us all getting along.

It's below you. And your theory regarding bananas in bread.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:38 - Jan 12 with 1331 viewsjeera

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:30 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

What a racist statement.


May I remind you of this, not to provoke, but because, well, it still should be shown from time to time. As far as attitudes go and all that:



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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:55 - Jan 12 with 1286 viewsGlasgowBlue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:25 - Jan 12 by BackToRussia

Can you point me to where anyone on this forum has ever said that antisemitism doesn't exist within the Labour party?


“ Has this antisemitism thing not all arisen from the fact that many leftists have a huge problem with the state of Israel? And that Labours opponents then twist this as a racist thing.

It really is baffling to me that this is even spoken about as a serious problem”.

You appear to know more about antisemitism than the British Jewish community
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:02 - Jan 12 with 1310 viewsGaryCooper

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:25 - Jan 12 by BackToRussia

Can you point me to where anyone on this forum has ever said that antisemitism doesn't exist within the Labour party?


Yep.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:03 - Jan 12 with 1307 viewsGaryCooper

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:27 - Jan 12 by jeera

Please stop using emotive language like 'extreme' left.

No one who chats with you here on a daily basis is extreme anything and it spoils any chance of us all getting along.

It's below you. And your theory regarding bananas in bread.


Ummm, I suppose it is inflammatory, I see Momentum as that mind but point taken.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:04 - Jan 12 with 1303 viewsGaryCooper

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:51 - Jan 12 by BackToRussia

"I know more about being a black person than a black person" - a non-bigoted white person.


No I listen to the views of my black friends, it really is not difficult.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:04 - Jan 12 with 1303 viewsBackToRussia

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:02 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Yep.


You're just choosing not to?

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:06 - Jan 12 with 1293 viewsBackToRussia

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:04 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

No I listen to the views of my black friends, it really is not difficult.
[Post edited 12 Jan 2020 19:05]


So you listen to them but not to Clive Lewis? Why's that?

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:38 - Jan 12 with 1262 viewsSwansea_Blue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:42 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

It is not all you have lost though is it? You and your extremists have feked it up for , Brexit the last two GE and the in all likelihood the next two, still you can sit and pass judgement on all who do not share your fake moral and cerebral superiority.


Give it a rest. You’re coming across as a right melt.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:39 - Jan 12 with 1258 viewsfooters

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 18:55 - Jan 12 by GlasgowBlue

“ Has this antisemitism thing not all arisen from the fact that many leftists have a huge problem with the state of Israel? And that Labours opponents then twist this as a racist thing.

It really is baffling to me that this is even spoken about as a serious problem”.

You appear to know more about antisemitism than the British Jewish community
[Post edited 12 Jan 2020 19:21]


As do you.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:43 - Jan 12 with 1247 viewsjeera

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:03 - Jan 12 by GaryCooper

Ummm, I suppose it is inflammatory, I see Momentum as that mind but point taken.


What does Momentum have to do with the posters on this board though?

I hardly know the first thing about them and am certainly not a member, yet some half-wit not a million miles from here thinks I'm a 'hard' leftie because I once disagreed with him.

That's how absurd it's become, and verging on libellous at times.
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:54 - Jan 12 with 1216 viewsm14_blue

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:43 - Jan 12 by jeera

What does Momentum have to do with the posters on this board though?

I hardly know the first thing about them and am certainly not a member, yet some half-wit not a million miles from here thinks I'm a 'hard' leftie because I once disagreed with him.

That's how absurd it's become, and verging on libellous at times.
[Post edited 12 Jan 2020 22:59]


Shut up you communist
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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:58 - Jan 12 with 1203 viewsjeera

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 19:54 - Jan 12 by m14_blue

Shut up you communist


Marxist scum.

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Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 10:14 - Jan 13 with 1091 viewsC_HealyIsAPleasure

Bexit and racism, Clive Lewis on 17:27 - Jan 12 by BackToRussia

Personal question but are you black? Clive Lewis is you see so unless you are too he is speaking from a position of greater validity and authority than you.


Just to play devils advocate though, surely being black only really allows Clive Lewis to give his personal views as a black man rather than automatically being an overall authority on the matter?

I’d suggest his views are not automatically anymore representative than mine are on how white people view things

(I don’t actually doubt the point he was making here btw, just a more general observation)

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