| Why should Prince Andrew.. 23:01 - Jan 27 with 5101 views | Girthyguy |
Face his alleged crimes in the US when Anne Sacoolas won't face her crime and the Americans won't hand her over?
Not sticking up for Prince Andrew in anyway but it's a bit of a joke right. Justice should be done both ways. Not one rule for one and one for another. Anyone else think the same? |  | | |  |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 00:05 - Jan 28 with 4547 views | groovyASH |
Because hypocrisy and injustice should not be answered with hypocrisy and injustice |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 05:24 - Jan 28 with 4427 views | Ryorry |
Two wrongs don't make a right tho, etc. |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 05:47 - Jan 28 with 4410 views | TractorWood |
I understand that rationale but Prince Andrew is a member of the royal family and should really hold himself to higher standards.
The Anne Sacoolas thing is a real problem. It highlights the flaw in our relationship with the US and the disadvantages of an erratic, self serving president. We have no leverage and can only do wrong. |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:33 - Jan 28 with 4355 views | brogansnose |
Irrespective of the Sacoolas case, there's no way that Prince Andrew should not be helping the US enquiries about the sexual grooming and exploitation of young girls. |  | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:34 - Jan 28 with 4353 views | itfcjoe |
Don’t they only want Andrew for questioning? It’s not as ridiculous as the Anne situation which is an absolute no brainer but both should have to face up to their responsibilities |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:34 - Jan 28 with 4354 views | Oxford_Blue |
Because under the law he doesn’t have diplomatic immunity so the comparison isn’t an equivalent one.
Whatever moral criticisms can be made, this is the law as it stands and as this country agreed it. | | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:42 - Jan 28 with 4335 views | HARRY10 |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:33 - Jan 28 by brogansnose |
Irrespective of the Sacoolas case, there's no way that Prince Andrew should not be helping the US enquiries about the sexual grooming and exploitation of young girls. |
He was helping Epstein "with the sexual grooming and exploitation of young girls"
so she should be able to help any investigation | | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:13 - Jan 28 with 4257 views | Chrisd |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:34 - Jan 28 by Oxford_Blue |
Because under the law he doesn’t have diplomatic immunity so the comparison isn’t an equivalent one.
Whatever moral criticisms can be made, this is the law as it stands and as this country agreed it. |
From my understanding, she hasn't got diplomatic immunity, it's more the fact that the US won't extradite her. | |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:16 - Jan 28 with 4247 views | bluelagos |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 00:05 - Jan 28 by groovyASH |
Because hypocrisy and injustice should not be answered with hypocrisy and injustice |
Indeed.
And his refusal to help does smell of the actions of someone complicit in the crimes that Epstein committed. [Post edited 28 Jan 2020 8:06]
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:34 - Jan 28 with 4203 views | HARRY10 |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:13 - Jan 28 by Chrisd |
From my understanding, she hasn't got diplomatic immunity, it's more the fact that the US won't extradite her. |
Elsewhere it is stated "a special arrangement between the U.S. and the U.K. has been in place since 1994 for RAF Croughton. " which rather beg the question as to why that particular base. Why is it necessary to have it's US staff protected in this way ?
Maybe UK authorities could investigate where Andrew Windsor found £13m to buy a chalet in Switzeeland, and was this intended as a 'bolt hole' should things get a little bit to uncomfortable in the UK. Something that most likely is on his radar given his mum won't live forever. | | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:45 - Jan 28 with 4170 views | hampstead_blue |
Justice would be the thin end of the wedge.
Both sides will sit and wait for this to quietly go away and then we just plod on.
Both sides should allow justice to be done but sadly the British establishment won't allow Andrew and the US won't back down by sheer stubbornness. |  |
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Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:56 - Jan 28 with 4133 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 05:47 - Jan 28 by TractorWood |
I understand that rationale but Prince Andrew is a member of the royal family and should really hold himself to higher standards.
The Anne Sacoolas thing is a real problem. It highlights the flaw in our relationship with the US and the disadvantages of an erratic, self serving president. We have no leverage and can only do wrong. |
Re your last paragraph, it’s easy to jump to that conclusion but also somewhat lazy IMO
Reading between the lines it’s fairly apparent that Sacoolas isn’t a straightforward case, even in DI circles. There are fairly obvious reasons why the US may feel obliged to protect her, and I suspect that the UK would do likewise if the shoe was on the other foot
Obviously in an ideal and just world they would be made to face justice [Post edited 28 Jan 2020 7:58]
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:01 - Jan 28 with 4115 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:13 - Jan 28 by Chrisd |
From my understanding, she hasn't got diplomatic immunity, it's more the fact that the US won't extradite her. |
They won’t extradite her because of immunity | | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:02 - Jan 28 with 4111 views | Oxford_Blue |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 00:05 - Jan 28 by groovyASH |
Because hypocrisy and injustice should not be answered with hypocrisy and injustice |
Agree morally.
However as the law stands it is justice in the US case because the US is operating within the law. | | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:13 - Jan 28 with 4081 views | BloomBlue |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:13 - Jan 28 by Chrisd |
From my understanding, she hasn't got diplomatic immunity, it's more the fact that the US won't extradite her. |
She has diplomatic immunity but as the wife of someone who had diplomatic immunity. Both are classed as having diplomatic immunity under the 1961 Vienna Convention however some Countries do class the 'partner' as having limited immunity and will allow those to face criminal proceedings if they have committed a crime.
But all countries adhere to the 1961 Vienna Convention, even if she was from an EU country she would still be covered under the 1961 convention and have diplomatic immunity.
The US has far as I know have only ever waived diplomatic immunity once and that was in 1940 and involved a diplomat spying for the German's |  | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:28 - Jan 28 with 4052 views | GlasgowBlue |
Because he may have information that could help the victims of sexual abuse receive justice. And it’s also the right thing to do. |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:31 - Jan 28 with 4043 views | itfcjoe |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:13 - Jan 28 by BloomBlue |
She has diplomatic immunity but as the wife of someone who had diplomatic immunity. Both are classed as having diplomatic immunity under the 1961 Vienna Convention however some Countries do class the 'partner' as having limited immunity and will allow those to face criminal proceedings if they have committed a crime.
But all countries adhere to the 1961 Vienna Convention, even if she was from an EU country she would still be covered under the 1961 convention and have diplomatic immunity.
The US has far as I know have only ever waived diplomatic immunity once and that was in 1940 and involved a diplomat spying for the German's |
Regardless, there is surely no one who thinks that she shouldn't face justice for running over and killing a kid whilst driving on the wrong side of the road.
Diplomatic immunity is surely there to protect you if your job leads you down a certain road, not for your partner to act with impunity | |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:42 - Jan 28 with 4018 views | HARRY10 |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:31 - Jan 28 by itfcjoe |
Regardless, there is surely no one who thinks that she shouldn't face justice for running over and killing a kid whilst driving on the wrong side of the road.
Diplomatic immunity is surely there to protect you if your job leads you down a certain road, not for your partner to act with impunity |
I suspect no one on this side of the pond things she should escape a trial.
However this is a downside of DI. An arrangement that stops citizens working abroad for their government being used as hostages on 'trumped up charges' as with Nazanin Zaghari-Ratcliffe.
Life isn't fair and I have no doubt those in the UK who allowed her to leave the country judged that US/UK relations and the sanctity of DI was of greater importance than a young man's life.
Not for the first time either I would venture. | | | |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:57 - Jan 28 with 3985 views | Chrisd |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 08:01 - Jan 28 by Oxford_Blue |
They won’t extradite her because of immunity |
Anne Sacoolas was advised to leave the country shortly after the incident and the US embassy said she had diplomatic immunity as the wife of a US agent working in the UK. The Washington Examiner reported that Jonathan Sacoolas did not work for the National Security Agency.
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:38 - Jan 28 with 3892 views | factual_blue |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 06:33 - Jan 28 by brogansnose |
Irrespective of the Sacoolas case, there's no way that Prince Andrew should not be helping the US enquiries about the sexual grooming and exploitation of young girls. |
We're in danger of sweating the small stuff here. |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:41 - Jan 28 with 3880 views | HARRY10 |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:38 - Jan 28 by factual_blue |
We're in danger of sweating the small stuff here. |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:50 - Jan 28 with 3858 views | Lord_Lucan |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 00:05 - Jan 28 by groovyASH |
Because hypocrisy and injustice should not be answered with hypocrisy and injustice |
It's a completely different situation with foreign affairs and it's naive to think otherwise.
Everything is a trade off.............
And it's plainly different when it concerns a member of the royal family - like it or not. |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:52 - Jan 28 with 3845 views | Radlett_blue |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 07:45 - Jan 28 by hampstead_blue |
Justice would be the thin end of the wedge.
Both sides will sit and wait for this to quietly go away and then we just plod on.
Both sides should allow justice to be done but sadly the British establishment won't allow Andrew and the US won't back down by sheer stubbornness. |
If Andrew has done nothing wrong - which is what he keeps insisting - then why won't he co-operate with the investigation? I imagine he could be subpoenaed and them things might get interesting.
I feel for the parents of Harry Dunn, but I didn't understand all the celebrating when Ms Sacoolas was charged as it was still then extremely unlikely that she would ever have to face the charges. I personally think this lawyer Radd Seiger is doing the family a great disservice by relentlessly pursuing what looks like a dead end. |  |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:52 - Jan 28 with 3840 views | factual_blue |
| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 09:41 - Jan 28 by HARRY10 |
eh ? |
It's a poor joke about sweating.
It'll come to you in a minute. | |
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| Why should Prince Andrew.. on 10:07 - Jan 28 with 3795 views | ElephantintheRoom |
Erm - isn't enough to have a needy american soap actress in the royal family without giving american ambulance chasers an open invitation?
The alleged incidents are hardly the same. On the one hand some american woman driving on the wrong side of the road.... presumably not deliberately - most would consider that an accident that a vindictive court case will do little to improve the lot of the dead lad, nor stop her driving on the wrong side again... and we are short of places in prison etc etc
On the other a raft of young girls who may or may not have been happy at the time to trade good looks for favours... now smelling hard cash with the assistance of grubby lawyers.... and if there were crimes going on how come no parents were shouting at the time etc etc. A bit like what is going on on every superyacht moored up in the med right now. | |
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