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Re nationalising trains 14:12 - Jan 29 with 1858 viewsHARRY10

The Northern rail franchise is to be renationalised, the government has announced, with the state operator of last resort taking over the running of the struggling network from 1 March.

The decision means that the Conservatives have nationalised two major rail franchises in less than two years, after taking over the East Coast line in June 2018, now run as LNER after the collapse of Virgin Trains East Coast.

Shapps last week admitted that the future of another, South West Railway, was in doubt, after the First Group-MTR joint-venture said it was running out of cash. Questions also hang over the TransPennine Express and West Midlands Trains franchises.

Shapps admitted that the privatised model was not working, saying: “We know change is needed and change is coming.”

Unsurprisingly the latter was not mentioned during the election campaign

So what next ?

As the UK lags behind the rest of the EU for ultra fast broadband perhaps the UK government will look to fund a faster roll out. You know, one where the majority of households are connected - on the basis that long terminvestment is better than short term profit when it comes to national infrastructure
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Re nationalising trains on 14:33 - Jan 29 with 1236 viewsDefault_User

Hopefully South Eastern and Thameslink go that way too. Shocking service on both, Thameslink slightly better.

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Re nationalising trains on 14:33 - Jan 29 with 1233 viewschicoazul

Those awful right wing Tories, at it again!

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Re nationalising trains on 14:49 - Jan 29 with 1213 viewshomer_123

The problem with Northern Rail is not the franchise but the capacity of the line (infrastructure) to deal with the level of trains that need/ should be run.

In this scenario - bringing into Public ownership will make no difference to service levels.

Investment needs to be made in the infrastructure by Network Rail.

Also, the £500m kitty for investing to Beeching lines is an utter waste - the cost to build a mile of train track is between £20m and £30m per mile! LOL

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Re nationalising trains on 15:03 - Jan 29 with 1185 viewscallis

Re nationalising trains on 14:33 - Jan 29 by chicoazul

Those awful right wing Tories, at it again!


You don’t really get it, do you?

The privatisation of the railways has made many people rich at the expense of the nation. Sh1ttting on the carpet and offering to clean it up once it’s left a stain and stunk the whole house out comes to mind.

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Re nationalising trains on 15:04 - Jan 29 with 1178 viewsLord_Lucan

Re nationalising trains on 15:03 - Jan 29 by callis

You don’t really get it, do you?

The privatisation of the railways has made many people rich at the expense of the nation. Sh1ttting on the carpet and offering to clean it up once it’s left a stain and stunk the whole house out comes to mind.


Were you dropped as a child?

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Re nationalising trains on 15:07 - Jan 29 with 1146 viewshampstead_blue

Hopefully this will lead to a change in the franchise model.
We need a balance between profit and public good.

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Re nationalising trains on 15:07 - Jan 29 with 1164 viewsusm

"Shapps admitted that the privatised model was not working, saying: “We know change is needed and change is coming.”

Unsurprisingly the latter was not mentioned during the election campaign"

I thought he did intimate possibly nationalising it in the run up to the GE - certainly someone was whinging on the BBC this morning about him NOT following through on his election promise to re-nationalise it. He cant win can he, really.

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Re nationalising trains on 15:13 - Jan 29 with 1150 viewsyesjohn99

Re nationalising trains on 15:03 - Jan 29 by callis

You don’t really get it, do you?

The privatisation of the railways has made many people rich at the expense of the nation. Sh1ttting on the carpet and offering to clean it up once it’s left a stain and stunk the whole house out comes to mind.


From a workers point of view BR was great. Literally done nothing all day for weeks on end booking overtime left right and centre.

Four trains an hour to London would never existed under a nationalised railway though.
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Re nationalising trains on 15:15 - Jan 29 with 1139 viewsjeera

Re nationalising trains on 14:33 - Jan 29 by chicoazul

Those awful right wing Tories, at it again!


Hold on.

Don't you mean 'Bloody Commies'?

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Re nationalising trains on 15:22 - Jan 29 with 1117 viewsPinewoodblue

They will, in the next 12 months, put northern rail out to contract but this time it will cover not just the train franchise but also the track.

My guess anyway.

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Re nationalising trains on 15:26 - Jan 29 with 1106 viewsDarth_Koont

Re nationalising trains on 15:13 - Jan 29 by yesjohn99

From a workers point of view BR was great. Literally done nothing all day for weeks on end booking overtime left right and centre.

Four trains an hour to London would never existed under a nationalised railway though.


"Four trains an hour to London would never existed under a nationalised railway though."

Why do you think that? It also suggests we have privatised rail travel now when the service is predominantly still under public control and governmental remit but franchised out.

Nationalised or more liberalised we need a government that takes more overall responsibility for it working for the benefit of the country. Which critically means much more investment in infrastructure and holding operators to account for the public good.
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Re nationalising trains on 15:29 - Jan 29 with 1079 viewshomer_123

Re nationalising trains on 15:22 - Jan 29 by Pinewoodblue

They will, in the next 12 months, put northern rail out to contract but this time it will cover not just the train franchise but also the track.

My guess anyway.


Somewhat difficult with Network Rail being responsible for track and infrastructure.

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Re nationalising trains on 15:36 - Jan 29 with 1052 viewscallis

Re nationalising trains on 15:04 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan

Were you dropped as a child?


Your lack of ability to engage with anything that’s said really makes me wonder why you use up time responding on here at all. Usually what happens is what you’ve done here. You get stumped and pretend to take the high ground and not engage or just resort to a dig. You do it a fair bit.
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Re nationalising trains on 15:39 - Jan 29 with 1033 viewscallis

Re nationalising trains on 15:13 - Jan 29 by yesjohn99

From a workers point of view BR was great. Literally done nothing all day for weeks on end booking overtime left right and centre.

Four trains an hour to London would never existed under a nationalised railway though.


Profit drives everything now sadly and it’s getting worse. The private companies get more financial support now than the public rail setup did. Much like ITFC, a lack of investment means doing best with what’s there.

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Re nationalising trains on 15:43 - Jan 29 with 1023 viewschicoazul

Re nationalising trains on 15:13 - Jan 29 by yesjohn99

From a workers point of view BR was great. Literally done nothing all day for weeks on end booking overtime left right and centre.

Four trains an hour to London would never existed under a nationalised railway though.


Nah. The entire system should be renationalised in full rather than the current p1ss poor franchise agreement which benefits railways in Holland and Germany but makes ours so bad. Some things should never be privatised and rail is one of them. BR would have been able to benefit from the advances in technology over the last 40 years.

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Re nationalising trains on 16:00 - Jan 29 with 979 viewsWD19

Re nationalising trains on 15:03 - Jan 29 by callis

You don’t really get it, do you?

The privatisation of the railways has made many people rich at the expense of the nation. Sh1ttting on the carpet and offering to clean it up once it’s left a stain and stunk the whole house out comes to mind.


Like all of these things, change is helpful.....

Public ownership/monopoly for a long period of time breeds complacency and lethargy.

Private ownership for a sustained period of time bleeds out investment.

Neither model is universally right or wrong. Both have advantages, both have drawbacks.
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Re nationalising trains on 16:13 - Jan 29 with 945 viewsLord_Lucan

Re nationalising trains on 15:36 - Jan 29 by callis

Your lack of ability to engage with anything that’s said really makes me wonder why you use up time responding on here at all. Usually what happens is what you’ve done here. You get stumped and pretend to take the high ground and not engage or just resort to a dig. You do it a fair bit.
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It could be that, or it could be because people like you infuriate me - this isn't because of your political beliefs because people from both sides of the line do it, albeit lefties seem to be the worst culprits.

What you do Callis is search the news for bad press stories on The Tories or Boris or both, you then fling up any sort of news report probably without even researching where the source came from and if it's true.

On a bad Callis news day (Today) you have actually criticised the government for implementing a policy that you actually agree with.

You're a piece of work.

Edit; Oh and what am I stumped on do you think?
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Re nationalising trains on 16:23 - Jan 29 with 902 viewscallis

Re nationalising trains on 16:13 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan

It could be that, or it could be because people like you infuriate me - this isn't because of your political beliefs because people from both sides of the line do it, albeit lefties seem to be the worst culprits.

What you do Callis is search the news for bad press stories on The Tories or Boris or both, you then fling up any sort of news report probably without even researching where the source came from and if it's true.

On a bad Callis news day (Today) you have actually criticised the government for implementing a policy that you actually agree with.

You're a piece of work.

Edit; Oh and what am I stumped on do you think?
[Post edited 29 Jan 16:19]


Ny suggestion would be deal with the words I say rather than having some kind of character breakdown of my intent every time I post and finding all the context you can that doesn’t exist.

Suppose it’s nice to know I live rent free somewhere though.

EDIT: Veganism and the "live and let live" concept you insisted I should acknowledge, yesterday's rather inappropriate comment about homophobic slurs, some examples I remember.
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Re nationalising trains on 16:24 - Jan 29 with 892 viewsBrixtonBlue

This was apparently a bad idea when it was Labour's.

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Re nationalising trains on 16:31 - Jan 29 with 873 viewsLord_Lucan

Re nationalising trains on 16:23 - Jan 29 by callis

Ny suggestion would be deal with the words I say rather than having some kind of character breakdown of my intent every time I post and finding all the context you can that doesn’t exist.

Suppose it’s nice to know I live rent free somewhere though.

EDIT: Veganism and the "live and let live" concept you insisted I should acknowledge, yesterday's rather inappropriate comment about homophobic slurs, some examples I remember.
[Post edited 29 Jan 16:31]


Does any of that actually make sense?

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Re nationalising trains on 16:33 - Jan 29 with 865 viewscallis

Re nationalising trains on 16:31 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan

Does any of that actually make sense?


Yes, considering you've just wrote a list of incorrect assumptions of how my political compass is formed it doesn't surprise me you can't grasp it though.

Must make life easier when you make your mind up about someone without actually engaging with what they say I guess...

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Re nationalising trains on 16:36 - Jan 29 with 850 viewsLord_Lucan

Re nationalising trains on 16:33 - Jan 29 by callis

Yes, considering you've just wrote a list of incorrect assumptions of how my political compass is formed it doesn't surprise me you can't grasp it though.

Must make life easier when you make your mind up about someone without actually engaging with what they say I guess...


OK Callis

See ya later alligator.

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Re nationalising trains on 16:39 - Jan 29 with 827 viewscallis

Re nationalising trains on 16:36 - Jan 29 by Lord_Lucan

OK Callis

See ya later alligator.


Comes in, makes unneeded sh1tty remarks, walks away pretending to have moral high ground. Thanks for proving my point :)

The double standards of TWTD never fail to make me laugh.
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Re nationalising trains on 16:44 - Jan 29 with 804 viewsPinewoodblue

Re nationalising trains on 15:29 - Jan 29 by homer_123

Somewhat difficult with Network Rail being responsible for track and infrastructure.


Think outside the box. If you put infrastructure and trains under the same control the franchise holder has no hiding place. Spend money on extra platforms, where physically possible and slow trains will not hinder express services so much.

Leading * presumably to increased line capacity.

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Re nationalising trains on 17:11 - Jan 29 with 768 viewschicoazul

Re nationalising trains on 16:44 - Jan 29 by Pinewoodblue

Think outside the box. If you put infrastructure and trains under the same control the franchise holder has no hiding place. Spend money on extra platforms, where physically possible and slow trains will not hinder express services so much.

Leading * presumably to increased line capacity.


Or don't think about a box at all and simply renationalise the entire network and run it via central control with clear lines of responsibility. We could call it British Rail or something like that.

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