| Oh dear 10:13 - Feb 4 with 5412 views | Guthrum |
Looks like the US Democrats have become a Labour tribute act, with chaotic administrative shambles in the Iowa caucus and wildly varying results among those which have been unofficially announced. They're going to end up throwing this election, if they're not careful. |  |
| |  |
| Oh dear on 14:31 - Feb 4 with 1596 views | hampstead_blue |
| Oh dear on 12:29 - Feb 4 by Guthrum |
He's also had a health scare, which will be picked upon by his opponents. |
In many ways he's similar then to the cold.war russian leaders
They seemed to appear with.only.months left.to live. |  |
| Assumption is to make an ass out of you and me.
Those who assume they know you, when they don't are just guessing.
Those who assume and insist they know are daft and in denial.
Those who assume, insist, and deny the truth are plain stupid.
Those who assume, insist, deny the truth and tell YOU they know you (when they don't) have an IQ in the range of 35-49.
| | Poll: | Best Blackpool goal |
| |
| Oh dear on 14:33 - Feb 4 with 1593 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh dear on 14:16 - Feb 4 by Bluesquid |
DNC stitching up Sanders again...
[Post edited 4 Feb 2020 14:17]
|
Or alternatively someone wrote some bad software.
Much easier than the unsubstantiated links in your tweet. In the end nobody in the Democrats comes out of this looking great so there would be no reason for them to do this.
SB |  |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Oh dear on 14:48 - Feb 4 with 1565 views | LankHenners |
| Oh dear on 14:33 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Or alternatively someone wrote some bad software.
Much easier than the unsubstantiated links in your tweet. In the end nobody in the Democrats comes out of this looking great so there would be no reason for them to do this.
SB |
One concerning thing from this is that a Pete comms advisor tweeted this out which shows the pin needed to log into the app which records votes which in theory allows anyone at all to gain access to the app and skew the results which is a total breach of security.
Some claiming it’s deliberate so they can complain if Pete doesn’t do as well as they’d like in Iowa but even so, it seems a major piece of incompetence that should be getting highlighted more than it is, though understandably it’s somewhat hidden underneath the general chaos. |  |
| |
| Oh dear on 14:48 - Feb 4 with 1561 views | Clapham_Junction |
| Oh dear on 14:33 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Or alternatively someone wrote some bad software.
Much easier than the unsubstantiated links in your tweet. In the end nobody in the Democrats comes out of this looking great so there would be no reason for them to do this.
SB |
Regarding the second part, I think it's been well demonstrated in recent years (in the UK) that the right-wing of social democratic parties are quite happy to trash their own party to prevent the left gaining power.
I still think Sanders would have won in 2016. Many voters wanted an anti-establishment candidate, but only a right-wing one was offered. I suspect very few people who voted for Clinton would not have voted for Sanders, but I think he would have taken votes from Trump. |  | | |
| Oh dear on 15:07 - Feb 4 with 1542 views | Bluesquid |
| Oh dear on 14:33 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Or alternatively someone wrote some bad software.
Much easier than the unsubstantiated links in your tweet. In the end nobody in the Democrats comes out of this looking great so there would be no reason for them to do this.
SB |
Well it certainly doesn't look good.
The poll that has been released right before the election in Iowa for 76 years straight was scrapped because Buttigieg's team complained.
Buttigieg's team funded the company that built the failed election app in Iowa that in part delayed the result and also received donations from the top donor of the company that developed the app and then Buttigieg declared victory before results are released. |  | | |
| Oh dear on 15:16 - Feb 4 with 1522 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh dear on 15:07 - Feb 4 by Bluesquid |
Well it certainly doesn't look good.
The poll that has been released right before the election in Iowa for 76 years straight was scrapped because Buttigieg's team complained.
Buttigieg's team funded the company that built the failed election app in Iowa that in part delayed the result and also received donations from the top donor of the company that developed the app and then Buttigieg declared victory before results are released. |
Nothing about it looks good, for him or the party as a whole.
That doesn't mean it was a grand conspiracy. All that would achieve would be to give Trump ammunition. Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:20 - Feb 4 with 1514 views | LankHenners |
| Oh dear on 15:16 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Nothing about it looks good, for him or the party as a whole.
That doesn't mean it was a grand conspiracy. All that would achieve would be to give Trump ammunition. Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?
SB |
That’s hardly a crazy thought though is it? For all that he’s a vile and stupid man, Trump protects the status quo that a large section of Democrats belong to whereas Sanders very much wants to upset it. | |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:21 - Feb 4 with 1510 views | BackToRussia |
| Oh dear on 15:16 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Nothing about it looks good, for him or the party as a whole.
That doesn't mean it was a grand conspiracy. All that would achieve would be to give Trump ammunition. Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?
SB |
Conspiracies do happen. |  |
| |
Login to get fewer ads
| Oh dear on 15:25 - Feb 4 with 1497 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh dear on 15:21 - Feb 4 by BackToRussia |
Conspiracies do happen. |
They also don't, even when people claim they do.
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:27 - Feb 4 with 1491 views | Bluesquid |
| Oh dear on 15:16 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Nothing about it looks good, for him or the party as a whole.
That doesn't mean it was a grand conspiracy. All that would achieve would be to give Trump ammunition. Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?
SB |
"Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?"
Well it's funny you mention that, perhaps it's more to do with those pulling the strings and who they dislike?
"Hedge Fund Billionaires Power New Democratic Super PAC"
"The group's top donor has a history of backing Republicans."
"A new super PAC that says it will spend $75 million to support Democrats in 2020 is funded in large part by billionaires who run hedge funds, including some with a history of supporting Republicans, according to recent filings with the Federal Election Commission. "
https://readsludge.com/2020/01/23/hedge-fund-billionaires-power-new-democratic-s | | | |
| Oh dear on 15:30 - Feb 4 with 1481 views | BackToRussia |
| Oh dear on 15:25 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
They also don't, even when people claim they do.
SB |
You seem quite the authority. | |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:32 - Feb 4 with 1473 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh dear on 15:27 - Feb 4 by Bluesquid |
"Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?"
Well it's funny you mention that, perhaps it's more to do with those pulling the strings and who they dislike?
"Hedge Fund Billionaires Power New Democratic Super PAC"
"The group's top donor has a history of backing Republicans."
"A new super PAC that says it will spend $75 million to support Democrats in 2020 is funded in large part by billionaires who run hedge funds, including some with a history of supporting Republicans, according to recent filings with the Federal Election Commission. "
https://readsludge.com/2020/01/23/hedge-fund-billionaires-power-new-democratic-s |
So you started off saying it was a candidate who did it and now, because there isn't really any evidence of that you've gone deeper and found a more sinister person to blame.
Nothing in that article is evidence much like the Tweet isn't evidence.
Surely the money would be better spent promoting Trump if that is who they prefer than some clandestine sabotage of apps that might effect the result.
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:33 - Feb 4 with 1467 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh dear on 15:30 - Feb 4 by BackToRussia |
You seem quite the authority. |
Just someone asking for evidence.
I fail to see what is wrong with that. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
You've said last night doesn't matter - why does there need to be a conspiracy?
SB [Post edited 4 Feb 2020 15:35]
| |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:37 - Feb 4 with 1456 views | BackToRussia |
| Oh dear on 15:33 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Just someone asking for evidence.
I fail to see what is wrong with that. Perhaps you can enlighten me?
You've said last night doesn't matter - why does there need to be a conspiracy?
SB [Post edited 4 Feb 2020 15:35]
|
People committing crimes tend to try to not leave evidence. | |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:39 - Feb 4 with 1446 views | Bluesquid |
| Oh dear on 15:32 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
So you started off saying it was a candidate who did it and now, because there isn't really any evidence of that you've gone deeper and found a more sinister person to blame.
Nothing in that article is evidence much like the Tweet isn't evidence.
Surely the money would be better spent promoting Trump if that is who they prefer than some clandestine sabotage of apps that might effect the result.
SB |
"So you started off saying it was a candidate who did it"
Where did i say that? | | | |
| Oh dear on 15:44 - Feb 4 with 1429 views | StokieBlue |
| Oh dear on 15:37 - Feb 4 by BackToRussia |
People committing crimes tend to try to not leave evidence. |
And one can't prove a negative.
You are saying people can say anything and it essentially cannot be challenged.
SB | |
| Avatar - IC410 - Tadpoles Nebula |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:45 - Feb 4 with 1426 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh dear on 15:16 - Feb 4 by StokieBlue |
Nothing about it looks good, for him or the party as a whole.
That doesn't mean it was a grand conspiracy. All that would achieve would be to give Trump ammunition. Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?
SB |
"Are we claiming the Democrats dislike Sanders more than Trump?"
Up to a few years ago I'd find that hard to believe. But after seeing how Corbyn was opposed within the Labour party and by the media on the so-called left, there's no doubt that the biggest opponents and fiercest attacks were from there. It certainly seemed like they preferred a Tory government.
The Mail stuff was nothing in comparison because, well, it's only the Mail doing its usual stuff. |  |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:49 - Feb 4 with 1420 views | itfcjoe |
| Oh dear on 13:01 - Feb 4 by LankHenners |
He’s anti-establishment for sure, but his ability to generate a grass roots movement of support is rather remarkable, his campaign funding having the most number of donations as he refuses to take funds from millionaires and billionaires.
Fundamentally, the democrats need to get republican voters to switch their vote in November. Sanders offers the best chance to get traditional working class republicans over to his side, even though he is disliked by the better well off, who would have to put their feelings towards Sanders aside to vote Democrat against Trump, like further left voters had to do with Clinton (though her total lack of appeal did her in anyway).
The comparisons with Corbyn are pretty weak - he is pretty much what people thought Corbyn was. He stands for similar things but has actually built up the support from the ground which Corbyn failed to do, plus doesn’t have the same sort of baggage attached to him.
As has been mentioned, Trump’s nationalism is probably too strong whatever but every other candidate is a weak one when put into a head v head against him. Sanders will push Trump harder and Trump has less mud to sling at him.
In a normal world, Sanders’ Medicare for All plan should make him a shoe-in, but there you go. |
Sanders is totally focussed on US people and issues, with no real thought about foreign affairs, whereas Corbyn was the opposite in a lot of ways - plus Sanders is Jewish. I don't really get the comparisons either |  |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:50 - Feb 4 with 1419 views | Illinoisblue |
It’s hard to see democrats even coming close to ousting Trump. Biden is a clown and tarnished by his son’s shady business affairs. Bloomberg will be tagged as the billionaire elitist. Sanders as the frail out of touch socialist/communist. The other contenders will barely scratch the surface.
Added to which the economy is (seemingly) doing well and the fact Trump could commit murder and his base wouldn’t care, It all adds up to a Democrat loss. |  |
| |
| Oh dear on 15:59 - Feb 4 with 1391 views | Darth_Koont |
| Oh dear on 14:48 - Feb 4 by Clapham_Junction |
Regarding the second part, I think it's been well demonstrated in recent years (in the UK) that the right-wing of social democratic parties are quite happy to trash their own party to prevent the left gaining power.
I still think Sanders would have won in 2016. Many voters wanted an anti-establishment candidate, but only a right-wing one was offered. I suspect very few people who voted for Clinton would not have voted for Sanders, but I think he would have taken votes from Trump. |
Agreed. I made the same connection with the UK and the Labour Party.
Same also goes for the LibDems who were happiest fighting against Labour which ultimately might boost their vote share and get a few extra MPs but was helping the Tories even more.
Party politics is mighty strange. | |
| |
| Oh dear on 17:07 - Feb 4 with 1338 views | Radlett_blue |
| Oh dear on 15:50 - Feb 4 by Illinoisblue |
It’s hard to see democrats even coming close to ousting Trump. Biden is a clown and tarnished by his son’s shady business affairs. Bloomberg will be tagged as the billionaire elitist. Sanders as the frail out of touch socialist/communist. The other contenders will barely scratch the surface.
Added to which the economy is (seemingly) doing well and the fact Trump could commit murder and his base wouldn’t care, It all adds up to a Democrat loss. |
Sanders at least offers something different from the collection of faded Washington insiders who seem to want the Democratic nomination for some reason. Bloomberg is an interesting candidate, though he will be 78 this month. |  |
| |
| Oh dear on 17:12 - Feb 4 with 1331 views | Illinoisblue |
| Oh dear on 17:07 - Feb 4 by Radlett_blue |
Sanders at least offers something different from the collection of faded Washington insiders who seem to want the Democratic nomination for some reason. Bloomberg is an interesting candidate, though he will be 78 this month. |
Agreed. And Sanders isn’t anywhere close to being as radical as the right wing media make out. Didn’t realize Bloomberg was that old. He’s got money to burn so will be fascinating to see what happens. | |
| |
| Oh dear on 17:26 - Feb 4 with 1324 views | Radlett_blue |
| Oh dear on 17:12 - Feb 4 by Illinoisblue |
Agreed. And Sanders isn’t anywhere close to being as radical as the right wing media make out. Didn’t realize Bloomberg was that old. He’s got money to burn so will be fascinating to see what happens. |
Sanders only seems a lefty in US terms, as the US doesn't "do" socialism, or anything resembling it.Bloomberg is no fool (and neither is Trump, though he does a good impression of one) & he has some interesting ideas, but I don't know if he could tap into Trump's support base. | |
| |
| Oh dear on 19:24 - Feb 4 with 1290 views | LankHenners |
| Oh dear on 15:49 - Feb 4 by itfcjoe |
Sanders is totally focussed on US people and issues, with no real thought about foreign affairs, whereas Corbyn was the opposite in a lot of ways - plus Sanders is Jewish. I don't really get the comparisons either |
I think it’s lazy thinking because they’re two old lefties who are generally resented by their own generation but with lots of support from people much younger. As you say, whilst ideologically similar there are some differences which set them apart and imo, puts Sanders several steps ahead. | |
| |
| |
By continuing to use the site, you agree to our use of cookies and to abide by our Terms and Conditions.
