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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out 11:15 - Feb 5 with 2256 viewsDarth_Koont

""We will never let socialism destroy American healthcare!"

Pick the bones out of that one. The best explanation I have is that he means the American healthcare industry and specifically their profits.

But let's be clear, this is who and what we're dealing with when it comes to the NHS and other areas of UK/US trade.


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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:17 - Feb 5 with 2235 viewsfooters

Socialism would also mean there being no doctors, apparently.

It was a terrible speech but what do you expect. Not sure I agree with Pelosi's dramatics either, looked a bit childish.

Oh well, you get the leaders you deserve :)

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:35 - Feb 5 with 2194 viewsDarth_Koont

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:17 - Feb 5 by footers

Socialism would also mean there being no doctors, apparently.

It was a terrible speech but what do you expect. Not sure I agree with Pelosi's dramatics either, looked a bit childish.

Oh well, you get the leaders you deserve :)


Yes, it felt a bit High School Musical.

But I can imagine that if instead of the Queen it was BoJo opening parliament and outlining his plans then it would get pretty rowdy in the HoC. Such a speech would cause fistfights - and given the abject state of our government it probably should.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:39 - Feb 5 with 2168 viewsHARRY10

Meaning ' we won't have you pay for other's healthcare, as your insurance is very expensive as it is"

or how it is seen outside of the US

' you can carry on paying into a bizzare scheme similar to how othet countries might insure their pets... and that's all. You moneu can be used to pay for salesmen, adminstrators and much else that is not actually caring for your health'

And odd if this ragbag of 'pet plan insurance schemes' were so good how come they are not used for the US military, where universal healthcare is seen as the most efficient ?
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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:39 - Feb 5 with 2159 viewsBackToRussia

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:17 - Feb 5 by footers

Socialism would also mean there being no doctors, apparently.

It was a terrible speech but what do you expect. Not sure I agree with Pelosi's dramatics either, looked a bit childish.

Oh well, you get the leaders you deserve :)


Pelosi is probably doing the most to shore up Trump atm. What a fvckin idiot.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:45 - Feb 5 with 2129 viewsDarth_Koont

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:39 - Feb 5 by HARRY10

Meaning ' we won't have you pay for other's healthcare, as your insurance is very expensive as it is"

or how it is seen outside of the US

' you can carry on paying into a bizzare scheme similar to how othet countries might insure their pets... and that's all. You moneu can be used to pay for salesmen, adminstrators and much else that is not actually caring for your health'

And odd if this ragbag of 'pet plan insurance schemes' were so good how come they are not used for the US military, where universal healthcare is seen as the most efficient ?


Indeed. And nothing in that adds up factually or objectively ... unless Trump and his advisors are subconsciously revealing what American healthcare really means to them.

Why do so many of the hardcore neoliberal free-market solutions cost much more for overall worse results? US healthcare, Conservative government debt, UK rail travel ... it's almost as if the real goal is to put money into certain people's pockets. That's how I'd design them if so.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:47 - Feb 5 with 2127 viewsSwansea_Blue

Yew loRst, git oVer it

[just adding some balance ]


To be fair to trumpie, the hospital I went to in the States was superb. The level of attention I received (2 docs and 1 nurse for the whole time) was second to none. No waiting whatsoever (might have been 90 sdeconds whilst they dsent someone off to fetch a wheelchair for me). Spotlessly clean, very polite, relaxed receptionist. No triaging. No crowds; actually nobody else there at all.

That'd be lovely here. I can well understand why they wouldn't want whinging sick people cluttering up their hostpitals.

Just don't ask to many questions about why I was the only one in an ER department with at least a dozen bays that I could see and which serviced a fairly extensive catchment.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:50 - Feb 5 with 2105 viewsfooters

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:47 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue

Yew loRst, git oVer it

[just adding some balance ]


To be fair to trumpie, the hospital I went to in the States was superb. The level of attention I received (2 docs and 1 nurse for the whole time) was second to none. No waiting whatsoever (might have been 90 sdeconds whilst they dsent someone off to fetch a wheelchair for me). Spotlessly clean, very polite, relaxed receptionist. No triaging. No crowds; actually nobody else there at all.

That'd be lovely here. I can well understand why they wouldn't want whinging sick people cluttering up their hostpitals.

Just don't ask to many questions about why I was the only one in an ER department with at least a dozen bays that I could see and which serviced a fairly extensive catchment.


Do you have to tip doctors and nurses over there as well? Or just clap when the procedure's over?

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:54 - Feb 5 with 2098 viewsSwansea_Blue

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:50 - Feb 5 by footers

Do you have to tip doctors and nurses over there as well? Or just clap when the procedure's over?


I wasn't paying attention at that point, as I was still trying to process being told to hop (literally, and also couldn't drive) into town to buy my own crutches (c. $200) as they're not allowed to recycle them. Oh, and bandages too. I was a bit taken back by that part of it.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:56 - Feb 5 with 2080 viewsLankHenners

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:39 - Feb 5 by BackToRussia

Pelosi is probably doing the most to shore up Trump atm. What a fvckin idiot.


Yes she may have voted through his military budget without question, but she also did a sort of sarcastic clap at him once.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:59 - Feb 5 with 2055 viewsHARRY10

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:45 - Feb 5 by Darth_Koont

Indeed. And nothing in that adds up factually or objectively ... unless Trump and his advisors are subconsciously revealing what American healthcare really means to them.

Why do so many of the hardcore neoliberal free-market solutions cost much more for overall worse results? US healthcare, Conservative government debt, UK rail travel ... it's almost as if the real goal is to put money into certain people's pockets. That's how I'd design them if so.


It comes down to whether a government is there to deal with need, or to facilitate greed.

Those that do the latter (our current one) are propped up by the same stupidity that keeps the US having a 3rd world healthcare system.

An irrational fear that someone else is getting 'one over you' - be they fellow patients, immigrants.

Their's is one of wanting the prime place to catch the crumbs that fall from the table rather than wondering why with such a big loaf they have to rely on crumbs - or trickling down as the Tories once had it.
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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 12:10 - Feb 5 with 2031 viewsDarth_Koont

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:59 - Feb 5 by HARRY10

It comes down to whether a government is there to deal with need, or to facilitate greed.

Those that do the latter (our current one) are propped up by the same stupidity that keeps the US having a 3rd world healthcare system.

An irrational fear that someone else is getting 'one over you' - be they fellow patients, immigrants.

Their's is one of wanting the prime place to catch the crumbs that fall from the table rather than wondering why with such a big loaf they have to rely on crumbs - or trickling down as the Tories once had it.
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I still think this is the last twitches of empire being played out. For us and increasingly the US.

Even in our own countries we've become subservient to the multinationals that used to protect our interests and project our values. But I get the feeling that most companies are becoming much more progressive in themselves. And that's by representing the positive aspects of capitalism.

Luckily, I think our retreat into isolationism and protectionism will be quickly torpedoed by business as much as socialism. But that's the alliance I dream of and very much how our Western neighbours and the EU are set up.

I think that's the only alliance that really makes much sense for the world anyway. Right-wingers are increasingly just effective lobbyists for their own needs.

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Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 12:31 - Feb 5 with 1994 viewsunstableblue

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-51363926/parents-clash-at-school-m

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Now of course easy to say this is just some racist idiot and its isolate, BUT, this is still Trump rhetoric.

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Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 12:46 - Feb 5 with 1960 viewsDarth_Koont

Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 12:31 - Feb 5 by unstableblue

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-51363926/parents-clash-at-school-m

hid-de-ous

Now of course easy to say this is just some racist idiot and its isolate, BUT, this is still Trump rhetoric.


Great reaction by the crowd though.

That a-hole sounded very much on his own. But I get the feeling not many Trump supporters would actually go to a school meeting in the first place.

You're absolutely right that this is the Trump rhetoric. Even down to the callous timing and style of its delivery. Also the classic "What? I'm only saying what people are thinking" type of reaction when people were rightly outraged.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 13:04 - Feb 5 with 1911 viewsIllinoisblue

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:47 - Feb 5 by Swansea_Blue

Yew loRst, git oVer it

[just adding some balance ]


To be fair to trumpie, the hospital I went to in the States was superb. The level of attention I received (2 docs and 1 nurse for the whole time) was second to none. No waiting whatsoever (might have been 90 sdeconds whilst they dsent someone off to fetch a wheelchair for me). Spotlessly clean, very polite, relaxed receptionist. No triaging. No crowds; actually nobody else there at all.

That'd be lovely here. I can well understand why they wouldn't want whinging sick people cluttering up their hostpitals.

Just don't ask to many questions about why I was the only one in an ER department with at least a dozen bays that I could see and which serviced a fairly extensive catchment.


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Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 13:42 - Feb 5 with 1841 viewsBrianTablet

Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 12:46 - Feb 5 by Darth_Koont

Great reaction by the crowd though.

That a-hole sounded very much on his own. But I get the feeling not many Trump supporters would actually go to a school meeting in the first place.

You're absolutely right that this is the Trump rhetoric. Even down to the callous timing and style of its delivery. Also the classic "What? I'm only saying what people are thinking" type of reaction when people were rightly outraged.


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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 16:31 - Feb 5 with 1742 viewsLeaky

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:17 - Feb 5 by footers

Socialism would also mean there being no doctors, apparently.

It was a terrible speech but what do you expect. Not sure I agree with Pelosi's dramatics either, looked a bit childish.

Oh well, you get the leaders you deserve :)


Pelosi made herself look as cheap as Trump by tearing it up.

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 16:36 - Feb 5 with 1728 viewsDarth_Koont

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 16:32 - Feb 5 by hampstead_blue

Pelosi made herself look as cheap as Trump by tearing it up.


Cheap but nowhere near as cheap. Let's not take these desperate searches for equivalence too far.

Has there ever been a cheaper public figure let alone leader of a major nation than Trump?

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 18:08 - Feb 5 with 1654 viewsWeWereZombies

Well, he is right. If something is already destroyed you are making a fully supportable statement by saying you will not let something else destroy it. And absolutely no need for any outlay...

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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 18:19 - Feb 5 with 1641 viewsHARRY10

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 18:08 - Feb 5 by WeWereZombies

Well, he is right. If something is already destroyed you are making a fully supportable statement by saying you will not let something else destroy it. And absolutely no need for any outlay...


Perhaps the US could try dipping their poor in chlorine when they get ill as they do with their chicken

I appreciate that it is not an effective method and nearly 500 or so are poisoned by this lunacy every year in the US, but as the US healthcare system is not there to heal but to make money I'm sure there must be money to be made doing this.

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Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 00:00 - Feb 6 with 1554 viewsjeera

Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 12:31 - Feb 5 by unstableblue

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-us-canada-51363926/parents-clash-at-school-m

hid-de-ous

Now of course easy to say this is just some racist idiot and its isolate, BUT, this is still Trump rhetoric.


Fecking trash.

Edit: seeing in other news that Trump's acquitted.

No surprise of course. Expect more of the same.
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Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 08:50 - Feb 6 with 1415 viewsLankHenners

Watch and weep.. the reality of Trump America on 00:00 - Feb 6 by jeera

Fecking trash.

Edit: seeing in other news that Trump's acquitted.

No surprise of course. Expect more of the same.
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He was always going to be acquitted but the dems cocked up by impeaching him over something no-one really cares about and gives Trump an open goal to twist this into 'they were trying to impeach me to suppress their own wrongdoings'.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 08:51 - Feb 6 with 1408 viewsBackToRussia

Reading about Trump's State of the Union address and one line popped out on 11:56 - Feb 5 by LankHenners

Yes she may have voted through his military budget without question, but she also did a sort of sarcastic clap at him once.

#resistance


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