| A post-Brexit solution? 16:22 - Feb 7 with 16064 views | Darth_Koont |
Brexit has caused a huge division in this country between Brexiteers and Remoaners.
So how to bring the two sides together when there's what one side thinks and believes going against what the other side thinks and believes?
We need to use objective facts to bring the two sides together. And discussions where facts are the currency not emotions or beliefs.
Alternative suggestions welcome.
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:08 - Feb 7 with 1816 views | StokieBlue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 17:57 - Feb 7 by Swansea_Blue |
Tbh I think you’re peeing in the wind if you think there’s a chance of factual arguments being listened to, let alone debated in a considered and meaningful way. I’d love to be wrong, and I suppose it’s worth a go... |
I can guarantee you that just insulting people isn't going to work.
I'll take the non-zero chance thanks.
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:17 - Feb 7 with 1796 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:08 - Feb 7 by StokieBlue |
I can guarantee you that just insulting people isn't going to work.
I'll take the non-zero chance thanks.
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Absolutely. So let's agree how we're going to discuss things. Before we just throw facts, opinions and beliefs at each other as if they're all the same things.
I'm sooo ready to listen to the Brexiteers' facts. But if all I get is their opinions and beliefs I don't think they're giving me or the debate any respect. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:20 - Feb 7 with 1784 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 16:52 - Feb 7 by StokieBlue |
I'm not entirely sure how you expect this thread to go. Everyone knows that it's better to counter arguments with facts but it's also true that some people are less able to take in those facts constructively.
There are some on this board from the remainer side who seem to revel in calling brexiteers stupid or thick at every chance they get. That's not going to bring anyone together.
You say we need to bring everyone together over facts and then in your next post say that the other side don't use facts so their opinion is invalid. I'm not sure that's going to lead to a reasoned and productive debate.
How do you think this thread is going to move on the debate? Even now it's turning into a thread where one side thinks the other is thick, wrong and might as well head off in their own direction.
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"Even now it's turning into a thread where one side thinks the other is thick, wrong and might as well head off in their own direction. "
To be fair, he has a point. |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:20 - Feb 7 with 1782 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:08 - Feb 7 by StokieBlue |
I can guarantee you that just insulting people isn't going to work.
I'll take the non-zero chance thanks.
SB |
Very true, just can’t see a route to stopping the polarisation that the inevitable insults or mockery are based on. It’s rife.
I thought this article someone linked to early in the week was an excellent summary - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/feb/05/no-british-culture-war-bre
We need to stop responding to these triggers aimed at causing confected outrage. The other thing we should be doing imo is stop having to win the argument, learn to be wrong (even if you’re right). I’m talking about petty arguments around stuff we can’t control, which is pretty much all of social media. Anyone married for at least a few years will have learnt how to do this! |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:21 - Feb 7 with 1775 views | factual_blue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:07 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
So that's a no to fact-based discussion then?
Have you ever thought that your emotional response isn't always the right response? |
You've spelt 'rude and ignorant' wrongly. |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:22 - Feb 7 with 1772 views | chicoazul |
"We need to use objective facts to bring the two sides together"
Could you please start us off by giving us an idea on what objective facts you mean? 3 examples for instance?
Here is one from me. Many Brexiters do't like the idea of an EU-backed army and that is part of the reason why some voted Out. It is true that Macron Juncker and Merkel have talked about having one. |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:24 - Feb 7 with 1756 views | Coastalblue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:20 - Feb 7 by noggin |
"Even now it's turning into a thread where one side thinks the other is thick, wrong and might as well head off in their own direction. "
To be fair, he has a point. |
A huge point.
I'm a remainer but why would any brexiter post on here, knowing the only response they're likely to get is Harrywhatsisface telling them how thick and deluded they are.
Nobody is going to convince me Brexit is a good thing at this point, but I have had some discussions with people capable of making me rething and reconsider some things. I doubt it would have happened if my opening statements were to tell them how thick they clearly are.
Little wonder you get no debate on the subject Harry. |  |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:26 - Feb 7 with 1747 views | bluejacko |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:07 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
So that's a no to fact-based discussion then?
Have you ever thought that your emotional response isn't always the right response? |
Well it’s not emotional is it? You still have the choice stay and lump it or try somewhere else while you have the chance.
It’s only on sites like this that this is still being even discussed, down here at the common level people are just carrying on with their lives. |  | | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:34 - Feb 7 with 1716 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:26 - Feb 7 by bluejacko |
Well it’s not emotional is it? You still have the choice stay and lump it or try somewhere else while you have the chance.
It’s only on sites like this that this is still being even discussed, down here at the common level people are just carrying on with their lives. |
So what the country needs from its government is what the man in the street can handle?
Jesus man. I've alway felt quite in touch but Brexit has shown me that I didn't understand the key details in so many areas.
But sure. Let's put the feelings of people who don't think or care about any of that above everything else.
Does that sound like a good way to run a country? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:35 - Feb 7 with 1708 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:24 - Feb 7 by Coastalblue |
A huge point.
I'm a remainer but why would any brexiter post on here, knowing the only response they're likely to get is Harrywhatsisface telling them how thick and deluded they are.
Nobody is going to convince me Brexit is a good thing at this point, but I have had some discussions with people capable of making me rething and reconsider some things. I doubt it would have happened if my opening statements were to tell them how thick they clearly are.
Little wonder you get no debate on the subject Harry. |
I don't really care. I don't live in the UK but I do now think the average working class Brit is as thick as sht and very gullible. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:38 - Feb 7 with 1701 views | Coastalblue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:34 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
So what the country needs from its government is what the man in the street can handle?
Jesus man. I've alway felt quite in touch but Brexit has shown me that I didn't understand the key details in so many areas.
But sure. Let's put the feelings of people who don't think or care about any of that above everything else.
Does that sound like a good way to run a country? |
Are they? Really?
I'm guessing you don't work, or at least didn't work with many people from EU countries?
Huge numbers are leaving or have left and left huge skill gaps. I know the answers will be that British people will fill those roles eventually, but in the meantime it's hardly normal life. Especially not when friends and colleagues are feeling the need to leave.
Sorry, quoted wrong post | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:39 - Feb 7 with 1698 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:35 - Feb 7 by noggin |
I don't really care. I don't live in the UK but I do now think the average working class Brit is as thick as sht and very gullible. |
The debate wouldn't be at the same level in Norway, I know that much. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:41 - Feb 7 with 1688 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:39 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
The debate wouldn't be at the same level in Norway, I know that much. |
Is that because Norwegians are more clever, or different? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:42 - Feb 7 with 1679 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:38 - Feb 7 by Coastalblue |
Are they? Really?
I'm guessing you don't work, or at least didn't work with many people from EU countries?
Huge numbers are leaving or have left and left huge skill gaps. I know the answers will be that British people will fill those roles eventually, but in the meantime it's hardly normal life. Especially not when friends and colleagues are feeling the need to leave.
Sorry, quoted wrong post |
Damn you! You got me going there. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:42 - Feb 7 with 1674 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:39 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
The debate wouldn't be at the same level in Norway, I know that much. |
Norway has rejected EU membership but it wasn't about foreigners and bent bananas. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 with 1666 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:41 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
Is that because Norwegians are more clever, or different? |
They don't get lied to by the media and the rich. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 with 1661 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 by noggin |
They don't get lied to by the media and the rich. |
So more clever? Since those lies are apparently so obvious. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 with 1661 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:41 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
Is that because Norwegians are more clever, or different? |
I think more relaxed and more advanced is the right way of seeing it.
The UK has been fighting reality and itself for a while. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:45 - Feb 7 with 1655 views | Swansea_Blue |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:26 - Feb 7 by bluejacko |
Well it’s not emotional is it? You still have the choice stay and lump it or try somewhere else while you have the chance.
It’s only on sites like this that this is still being even discussed, down here at the common level people are just carrying on with their lives. |
That just shows you’re disconnected from events involving the EU. I can assure you that for those of us who are affected by this decision, it’s still very much being discussed and it’s not always easy or possible to move on.
That’s the thing that bugs me most about how this was handled. We have a lot of people who weren’t affected day to day by our membership of the EU, conditioned up by a partisan media to hate that thing they have no involvement with. Those people can carry on with their lives now, blissfully ignorant of the damage they’ve caused. Meanwhile those of us who live or work in the EU, work with the EU or EU organisations, or work with EU citizens, have to pick up the pieces. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:45 - Feb 7 with 1653 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
I think more relaxed and more advanced is the right way of seeing it.
The UK has been fighting reality and itself for a while. |
So more clever. I think that's what you mean.
EDIT; did you see my earlier post about 3 objective facts as you called them? [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 18:46]
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:46 - Feb 7 with 1649 views | Epiphone |
If you want to try to build bridges stopping using the term “Remoaner” would be a helpful start! [Post edited 7 Feb 2020 18:47]
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:46 - Feb 7 with 1647 views | Darth_Koont |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
So more clever? Since those lies are apparently so obvious. |
What do you know about Norway? | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:47 - Feb 7 with 1634 views | noggin |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:44 - Feb 7 by chicoazul |
So more clever? Since those lies are apparently so obvious. |
Well, when you say it like that.. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:47 - Feb 7 with 1632 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:46 - Feb 7 by Darth_Koont |
What do you know about Norway? |
What's what I think or know, got to do with what you and noggin know? I do know Norway is a highly developed advanced wealthy country that said no to joining the EU. | |
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| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:48 - Feb 7 with 1619 views | chicoazul |
| A post-Brexit solution? on 18:47 - Feb 7 by noggin |
Well, when you say it like that.. |
That's what I thought. | |
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