| Everyone banging on about Evans 21:53 - Feb 11 with 7296 views | Nazemariner |
Whatever your viewpoint, you do know that he doesn't pick the team, decide on tactics,or take training sessions.
Constantly blaming the owner for poor performances is extremely naive. |  | | |  |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 1849 views | TheBoyBlue |
Evans is the reason for us reaching these depths through over a decade of misjudgements and penny-pinching. However, it is Lambert who is responsible for what we see now. He actually has one of the best squads in the league, with players coveted by Championship clubs, international experience, etc. Yet through his cocky squad rotation and needless international breaks that destroyed the momentum and confidence of that early season run, he has blown any chance of going up. Which from the position we were in is staggering. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 1849 views | lazyblue |
What about the fee for KYV and wages for the likes of Keane, Judge and Norwood . He gave Hurst too enough to build a decent team . | | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 1849 views | Guthrum |
True. But he does provide the pool.of players from which the team is selected, whose ability and response to training to some extent dictates tactics.
That having been said, I'm not convinced Lambert has the tactical and motivational answers. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 1846 views | Churchman |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:05 - Feb 11 by Oxford_Blue |
He gave three managers a lot of cash. So I’m just saying that the allegation he didn’t do this is wrong. Since then he hasn’t.
The issue is also the players and Lambert. |
Who appointed Lambert and Keane? This £30/£40m - I assume that’s net after player sales? Where did ‘his’ money go? And who did Magilton sign that cost a fee? Norris is the only one I can think of for about £2.5m.
Sir faceless is the owner. It’s his club and he is accountable. But he has leeched for years off peoples loyalty to ITFC because without those people, there is no club. If there is no club in 5 years time will he care? Doesn’t look much like it to me if you look at its direction of travel. |  | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:29 - Feb 11 with 1846 views | Funge |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:22 - Feb 11 by sparks |
As Mills has just ponted out- he was there tonight. On a cold night, at a shyte ground, watching dire football.
Tells you something. |
What does it tell us, Bullers? |  | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:32 - Feb 11 with 1819 views | sparks |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:26 - Feb 11 by noggin |
Evans clearly doesn't give a toss about ITFC. He's fed up with his purchase and has left it to rot in the shed. |
Then why was he bothering to sit in the shyte of AC Wimbledon on a Tuesday night in February? |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:33 - Feb 11 with 1809 views | blueconscience |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:32 - Feb 11 by sparks |
Then why was he bothering to sit in the shyte of AC Wimbledon on a Tuesday night in February? |
Because it probably isn’t far from his London Mansion. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:40 - Feb 11 with 1785 views | noggin |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:32 - Feb 11 by sparks |
Then why was he bothering to sit in the shyte of AC Wimbledon on a Tuesday night in February? |
It keeps some fans happy? I don't know. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:40 - Feb 11 with 1784 views | Alexwaddell |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:28 - Feb 11 by Nazemariner |
Does any owner run a club with due care? Its a loss making making industry for all but the entitled few.
Whilst Evans has owned our club we have been in gradual decline, there is no argument to say otherwise, and it is certainly not one that i will make.
The point i am trying to make is that the debacle we witnessed tonight, and on multiple occasions this season, is the doing of the manager, and to a lesser extent, the players.....certainly not the owner. He of course employs the managers, and has not made a very good job of doing so, but the vast majority of supporters were more than happy with all his appointments at the time he made them. |
Ifully feel that it is totally down to the players....if Lambert picked the under 23 team it would be down to Lambert...these guys are supposed to be in "the strongest squad in the league" but they seem to be comfortable just getting a game rather than like ITFC teams of the past who went all out for a win. Could you imagine Jim Magilton playing with these guys? The air in the dressing room would be blue....total despair no "will to win" from the owner to the manager to the players....now a mid tabke league 3 team...hope you are enjoying it Mr Evans. | |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:44 - Feb 11 with 1768 views | sparks |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:40 - Feb 11 by Alexwaddell |
Ifully feel that it is totally down to the players....if Lambert picked the under 23 team it would be down to Lambert...these guys are supposed to be in "the strongest squad in the league" but they seem to be comfortable just getting a game rather than like ITFC teams of the past who went all out for a win. Could you imagine Jim Magilton playing with these guys? The air in the dressing room would be blue....total despair no "will to win" from the owner to the manager to the players....now a mid tabke league 3 team...hope you are enjoying it Mr Evans. |
I saw no lack of effort from anyone. Just a cheap uninformed fans' reaction to not getting the result they want. | |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:51 - Feb 11 with 1745 views | Zacak |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 21:54 - Feb 11 by RegencyBlue |
The common denominator in our twelve years of decline is our penny pinching owner. |
Or his inability to compete with Sky money. Yes some poor decisions of course but ultimately when we live in a world where we cant compete in the Championship, that's more about Sky |  | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:56 - Feb 11 with 1733 views | vapour_trail |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:22 - Feb 11 by sparks |
As Mills has just ponted out- he was there tonight. On a cold night, at a shyte ground, watching dire football.
Tells you something. |
I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean, bullers. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:03 - Feb 11 with 1711 views | Churchman |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:51 - Feb 11 by Zacak |
Or his inability to compete with Sky money. Yes some poor decisions of course but ultimately when we live in a world where we cant compete in the Championship, that's more about Sky |
Peterborough,Wycombe, Coventry and Rotherham have had less Sky money than ITFC. Luton, Millwall and a few others in the Championship are.hardly drowning in Sky money either. Sheffield U are now in the PL and to my knowledge that was due to astute ownership. Yet you are saying that because of tv money, we belong mid table 3rd div or lower. That doesn’t add up.
I believe we belong mid table 3rd div or lower because an incompetent disinterested owner has run it into the ground. | | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:10 - Feb 11 with 1694 views | haynes_toe1 |
OP is of course factually correct.
I don't think Evans is a terrible owner, he just isnt a very good one. To be fair, this season in isolation I was more than happy with the squad we had and the fact we didnt cash in on any of our main players.
What I cant forgive, alongside a list of awful managerial appointments is the bizarre and frankly catastrophic decision to give Lambert a 5 year contract.
That raises alarm bells that he still hasnt really learnt anything about football in all this time. | | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:14 - Feb 11 with 1679 views | noggin |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:10 - Feb 11 by haynes_toe1 |
OP is of course factually correct.
I don't think Evans is a terrible owner, he just isnt a very good one. To be fair, this season in isolation I was more than happy with the squad we had and the fact we didnt cash in on any of our main players.
What I cant forgive, alongside a list of awful managerial appointments is the bizarre and frankly catastrophic decision to give Lambert a 5 year contract.
That raises alarm bells that he still hasnt really learnt anything about football in all this time. |
Maybe the plan is to wind the club up within the next 5 years  | |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:32 - Feb 11 with 1653 views | Zacak |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:03 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
Peterborough,Wycombe, Coventry and Rotherham have had less Sky money than ITFC. Luton, Millwall and a few others in the Championship are.hardly drowning in Sky money either. Sheffield U are now in the PL and to my knowledge that was due to astute ownership. Yet you are saying that because of tv money, we belong mid table 3rd div or lower. That doesn’t add up.
I believe we belong mid table 3rd div or lower because an incompetent disinterested owner has run it into the ground. |
Ok. So you've picked a handful of teams who are out performing us on less income. All of those based on this season only. A season which follows years of demise at Championship level due to our inability to compete financially. Then Hurst came along and sold the crown jewels only to be replaced by inferior players who haven't exactly set the world alight at this level. Last season we were so so poor at that level but our fans believe that as if by some miracle we will somehow right all that within 1 season and be successful at the league below. At league 1 level we should be competing at the top of the league. However we have years of dross to address culminating in last season. Lambert is making many mistakes and I'm losing confidence in his ability for sure. For those slating Evans and suggesting he has lost interest; if you are losing millions every season and your only hope of ever regaining the tens of millions in investment would you lose interest? | | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:57 - Feb 11 with 1637 views | Churchman |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:32 - Feb 11 by Zacak |
Ok. So you've picked a handful of teams who are out performing us on less income. All of those based on this season only. A season which follows years of demise at Championship level due to our inability to compete financially. Then Hurst came along and sold the crown jewels only to be replaced by inferior players who haven't exactly set the world alight at this level. Last season we were so so poor at that level but our fans believe that as if by some miracle we will somehow right all that within 1 season and be successful at the league below. At league 1 level we should be competing at the top of the league. However we have years of dross to address culminating in last season. Lambert is making many mistakes and I'm losing confidence in his ability for sure. For those slating Evans and suggesting he has lost interest; if you are losing millions every season and your only hope of ever regaining the tens of millions in investment would you lose interest? |
I’m sure there are other clubs in the prem and Championship who were in a worse or similar position to ITFC who have done better, but the point is I don’t think that Evans has lost interest. I don’t believe he ever had any other than to make a quick buck with a discounted debt and punt on promotion with his company name slapped over the stands and players shirts. Following that shambolic failure the club, under his ownership, has been allowed to drift and rot away. | | | |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 00:15 - Feb 12 with 1625 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:05 - Feb 11 by Oxford_Blue |
He gave three managers a lot of cash. So I’m just saying that the allegation he didn’t do this is wrong. Since then he hasn’t.
The issue is also the players and Lambert. |
I understand what you're saying, but the buck stops with him as he's the one at the top making the decisions. Yes he gave certain managers money for transfers and wages, yet who in their right mind gives inexperienced managers a blank check and free reign?
He's hasn't been malicious or deceitful with us; quite the opposite. He's supported his managers, kept out of their way, etc., and from that perspective he's been the perfect owner for the managers who've worked for him. All very laudible, except for consistently putting the wrong managers in position in the first place. He consistently gets the most important decisons wrong and its cost us our place in teh 2nd tier at least so far.
Lambert is rubbish too, of course. [Post edited 12 Feb 2020 0:18]
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:06 - Feb 12 with 1566 views | Chrisd |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 22:29 - Feb 11 by lazyblue |
What about the fee for KYV and wages for the likes of Keane, Judge and Norwood . He gave Hurst too enough to build a decent team . |
Lets not forget, ME allowed our best players go to help PH generate the transfer funds. He gives with one hand and takes with the other! | |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:08 - Feb 12 with 1565 views | Chrisd |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:14 - Feb 11 by noggin |
Maybe the plan is to wind the club up within the next 5 years |
The way we have slowly declined over the last decade and ME's lack of interest you can't rule that out. | |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:16 - Feb 12 with 1547 views | itfcjoe |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 23:03 - Feb 11 by Churchman |
Peterborough,Wycombe, Coventry and Rotherham have had less Sky money than ITFC. Luton, Millwall and a few others in the Championship are.hardly drowning in Sky money either. Sheffield U are now in the PL and to my knowledge that was due to astute ownership. Yet you are saying that because of tv money, we belong mid table 3rd div or lower. That doesn’t add up.
I believe we belong mid table 3rd div or lower because an incompetent disinterested owner has run it into the ground. |
Sheffield United’s ownership is an absolute mess, court cases going on even in to this season.
They just appointed a good manager who has transformed the club.
Evans may not be a good owner, but he’s not a bad one - our best bet is a good manager, because you can’t just change owners |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:22 - Feb 12 with 1523 views | stewartm |
Yes your right about that point but you are missing a lot out and this post is idiotic! |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:31 - Feb 12 with 1501 views | DanTheMan |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:16 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
Sheffield United’s ownership is an absolute mess, court cases going on even in to this season.
They just appointed a good manager who has transformed the club.
Evans may not be a good owner, but he’s not a bad one - our best bet is a good manager, because you can’t just change owners |
Just the shame the powers in charge have an absolutely atrocious track record so far in selecting a manager. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:33 - Feb 12 with 1501 views | Plums |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:16 - Feb 12 by itfcjoe |
Sheffield United’s ownership is an absolute mess, court cases going on even in to this season.
They just appointed a good manager who has transformed the club.
Evans may not be a good owner, but he’s not a bad one - our best bet is a good manager, because you can’t just change owners |
Spot on. The state of this season doesn’t sit with Evans, however the trend of decline definitely does along with the lunacy of giving an underperforming manager a five year deal.
Lambert has failed to get a tune out of a large squad with enough talent to blow this division away. He’s spent months without a plan, he now has one but doesn’t have the players to deliver it and is seemingly unable to change it to one that suits who he has available. |  |
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| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:49 - Feb 12 with 1479 views | Chrisd |
| Everyone banging on about Evans on 07:33 - Feb 12 by Plums |
Spot on. The state of this season doesn’t sit with Evans, however the trend of decline definitely does along with the lunacy of giving an underperforming manager a five year deal.
Lambert has failed to get a tune out of a large squad with enough talent to blow this division away. He’s spent months without a plan, he now has one but doesn’t have the players to deliver it and is seemingly unable to change it to one that suits who he has available. |
That 'talented' squad that struggled again last night? Hence, not against one of the better sides this time, you can't use that excuse. Perhaps, the majority of these players have found their level and this is it? | |
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