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How toxic will it get... 10:29 - Feb 15 with 2912 viewsHerbivore

....when we inevitably meekly fall a goal behind today? I have a horrible feeling it could get nasty (by ITFC standards). I think a lot of people have turned over the past week.

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How toxic will it get... on 10:33 - Feb 15 with 2454 viewsfooters

Sir Alf statue, 2pm

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How toxic will it get... on 10:37 - Feb 15 with 2435 viewsbluefunk

The last week has been almost a perfect storm of the PL nonsense, even for those of us who wanted to continue to give the benefit of the doubt. I have an instinctive mistrust of the view that he was never any good, just a PR exercise, and I am ever the optimist, but it’s become virtually impossible to support the man. With the limp performances in 4 vital games at a crucial stage of the season, followed by players interviews which amply demonstrate the acceptance of the current mediocrity, and topped off by PLs performance yesterday, he’s lost me and if history is a guide, once you lose the support of fans with my level of patience, there’s not much time left in the job.
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How toxic will it get... on 10:37 - Feb 15 with 2430 viewsbrogansnose

Peterborough was definately the one that turned it and Wimbledon compounded the situation. I don't think it'll get to Mick levels but it won't be nice.
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How toxic will it get... on 10:47 - Feb 15 with 2390 viewsPJH

How toxic will it get... on 10:37 - Feb 15 by brogansnose

Peterborough was definately the one that turned it and Wimbledon compounded the situation. I don't think it'll get to Mick levels but it won't be nice.


I think PL would leave well before it even approached Mick levels.

At the moment he probably still believes that he has (generally) got the fans with him so if it did start to turn nasty I think it would be a shock to his system because if he has definitely lost the fans he has lost everything.

There have been some boos at the end of games both home and away recently when he attempted to acknowledge the fans and if it goes beyond that I do not think that he will hang around.

If he did offer to walk I am not sure whether Marcus Evans would try too hard to change his mind.
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How toxic will it get... on 11:14 - Feb 15 with 2299 viewsBlueBadger

How toxic will it get... on 10:47 - Feb 15 by PJH

I think PL would leave well before it even approached Mick levels.

At the moment he probably still believes that he has (generally) got the fans with him so if it did start to turn nasty I think it would be a shock to his system because if he has definitely lost the fans he has lost everything.

There have been some boos at the end of games both home and away recently when he attempted to acknowledge the fans and if it goes beyond that I do not think that he will hang around.

If he did offer to walk I am not sure whether Marcus Evans would try too hard to change his mind.


There's a couple of factors in play here:

1 - Evans has form for not sacking/letting go incompetent managers - look how long he afforded Keane, who should have been gone by October 2009 and inexplicably got a another 15 months in the job and the last days of Jewell, who tried to hand in his resignation a number of times before Evans finally accepted it because even someone as clueless as him couldn't ignore how bad a job he was doing.

2. It was utterly toxic between Mick and the numbskulls and he was going to stay on till the end of the season and would have done had it not been for the Brentford incident.

3. Lambert is on a long contract and I suspect, still feels pretty bulletproof(hence his outburst at Phil this week) and also knows, given that he's failed at every job he's had since Norwich, nearly 10 years ago, he won't get another management job 'should he' fail at this one.
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How toxic will it get... on 11:16 - Feb 15 with 2297 viewsBobbychase

I know it's inevitable that people will turn, but it's not compulsory. It gets talked about like it's the weather or an economic force. We're all capable of staying behind the team while the match is in progress and then venting anger after the final whistle.

There are so many examples of our recent history of how fans turning on the team during the game doesn't help. And yet it keeps happening.

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How toxic will it get... on 11:17 - Feb 15 with 2278 viewsBlueBadger

How toxic will it get... on 11:16 - Feb 15 by Bobbychase

I know it's inevitable that people will turn, but it's not compulsory. It gets talked about like it's the weather or an economic force. We're all capable of staying behind the team while the match is in progress and then venting anger after the final whistle.

There are so many examples of our recent history of how fans turning on the team during the game doesn't help. And yet it keeps happening.


It's almost like there's a small but vocal contingent of morons who don't get this.

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How toxic will it get... on 11:19 - Feb 15 with 2260 viewsBlueBadger

How toxic will it get... on 10:37 - Feb 15 by bluefunk

The last week has been almost a perfect storm of the PL nonsense, even for those of us who wanted to continue to give the benefit of the doubt. I have an instinctive mistrust of the view that he was never any good, just a PR exercise, and I am ever the optimist, but it’s become virtually impossible to support the man. With the limp performances in 4 vital games at a crucial stage of the season, followed by players interviews which amply demonstrate the acceptance of the current mediocrity, and topped off by PLs performance yesterday, he’s lost me and if history is a guide, once you lose the support of fans with my level of patience, there’s not much time left in the job.


I've been convinced he wasn't up to the job sometime around November, having long been cynical but willing to be proven wrong. It's far more depressing to be right than it is wrong sometimes.

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How toxic will it get... on 11:24 - Feb 15 with 2232 viewsPJH

How toxic will it get... on 11:14 - Feb 15 by BlueBadger

There's a couple of factors in play here:

1 - Evans has form for not sacking/letting go incompetent managers - look how long he afforded Keane, who should have been gone by October 2009 and inexplicably got a another 15 months in the job and the last days of Jewell, who tried to hand in his resignation a number of times before Evans finally accepted it because even someone as clueless as him couldn't ignore how bad a job he was doing.

2. It was utterly toxic between Mick and the numbskulls and he was going to stay on till the end of the season and would have done had it not been for the Brentford incident.

3. Lambert is on a long contract and I suspect, still feels pretty bulletproof(hence his outburst at Phil this week) and also knows, given that he's failed at every job he's had since Norwich, nearly 10 years ago, he won't get another management job 'should he' fail at this one.
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I think the difference with Paul Lambert is that he very successfully got almost the whole of the fan base behind him so if that "marriage" crumbles even more than it already is I think it will hurt him a lot.

I am sure Mick liked it when there were "Super Mick" chants but he was quite obviously not too bothered about keeping in with the fans whereas I think PL is.

As you say, what Marcus Evans does if he has to make a decision regarding PL is anyone's guess.
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How toxic will it get... on 11:28 - Feb 15 with 2212 viewsLankHenners

Bigger crowds due to ticket offers tend to give a more moany atmosphere anyway so don't think it will take much for things to go South.

As mentioned above, the mass exodus before FT against Peterborough and the loud boos and jeers after it was a big turning point. As a club we don't really do that, preferring to stick our hands in our pockets and grumble.

Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand.
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How toxic will it get... on 11:34 - Feb 15 with 2170 viewsbrogansnose

How toxic will it get... on 11:24 - Feb 15 by PJH

I think the difference with Paul Lambert is that he very successfully got almost the whole of the fan base behind him so if that "marriage" crumbles even more than it already is I think it will hurt him a lot.

I am sure Mick liked it when there were "Super Mick" chants but he was quite obviously not too bothered about keeping in with the fans whereas I think PL is.

As you say, what Marcus Evans does if he has to make a decision regarding PL is anyone's guess.


It always apears to me that PL has an almost pathological need to be loved and any sort of questionning - which let's face it has been mild all things considered - is met with an irrational response. Perhaps this is down to the backgound of not succeeding elsewhere after Norwich and this being likely to be his last shot at a club with some regard, or it could just be defensive because he really isn't that good. The thing that does keep fans onside is winning games and he's not too good at that.

As for Evans, if PL doesn't at least get us to Wembley playoffs, as a minimum, then surely Evans would have to act unless he's been sold on the 'building something here' spiel and that's if he doesn't walk first.
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How toxic will it get... on 11:40 - Feb 15 with 2134 viewsBobbychase

How toxic will it get... on 11:17 - Feb 15 by BlueBadger

It's almost like there's a small but vocal contingent of morons who don't get this.


And who have previous.

And who are effectively holding the rest of us hostage.

As well as community day, today should be tell a moron to shut up day.

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How toxic will it get... on 12:18 - Feb 15 with 1965 viewsBloomBlue

How toxic will it get... on 10:33 - Feb 15 by footers

Sir Alf statue, 2pm


I'm just walking past the statue now, looks like someone is there already.


Ignore that not a protester, well it's the Mum of a protester apparently he forgot his hat so she's waiting for him there with his hat and a flask of coffee to keep him warm - what a lovely Mum

HEY.... if you're the protester who forgot his hat your Mum is waiting for you
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How toxic will it get... on 12:19 - Feb 15 with 1955 viewspointofblue

How toxic will it get... on 12:18 - Feb 15 by BloomBlue

I'm just walking past the statue now, looks like someone is there already.


Ignore that not a protester, well it's the Mum of a protester apparently he forgot his hat so she's waiting for him there with his hat and a flask of coffee to keep him warm - what a lovely Mum

HEY.... if you're the protester who forgot his hat your Mum is waiting for you


... with your hat.

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How toxic will it get... on 12:22 - Feb 15 with 1932 viewsEdmundo

How toxic will it get... on 11:40 - Feb 15 by Bobbychase

And who have previous.

And who are effectively holding the rest of us hostage.

As well as community day, today should be tell a moron to shut up day.


If we get boos before the half/full time whistle, I'll be telling them to shut up. Loyal supporters do just that during the 90 minutes.

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How toxic will it get... on 12:22 - Feb 15 with 1929 viewsfooters

How toxic will it get... on 12:18 - Feb 15 by BloomBlue

I'm just walking past the statue now, looks like someone is there already.


Ignore that not a protester, well it's the Mum of a protester apparently he forgot his hat so she's waiting for him there with his hat and a flask of coffee to keep him warm - what a lovely Mum

HEY.... if you're the protester who forgot his hat your Mum is waiting for you


Sadly I am under the weather today (coronavirus-like symptoms, more likely man flu) so cannot see the protest. If anyone is able to add to your wonderful description it'd be appreciated.

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How toxic will it get... on 12:22 - Feb 15 with 1930 viewsReuser_is_God

How toxic will it get... on 11:17 - Feb 15 by BlueBadger

It's almost like there's a small but vocal contingent of morons who don't get this.


You don’t even go to games you tit.

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How toxic will it get... on 12:37 - Feb 15 with 1848 viewssoclopath

By recent performances if we go behind in the first half,I shudder to think what's going to happen in the second half going on the way we've played recently.
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How toxic will it get... on 12:47 - Feb 15 with 1793 viewslazyblue

You get get the feeling some in SBRL want us to concede that early goal, no matter how many times players of ALL clubs say the support helps when things not right on the pitch yet fans will still try and create toxic atmosphere.
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How toxic will it get... on 12:49 - Feb 15 with 1776 viewsGarv

I'm glad I don't watch the game from SBRL, I'll put it that way. Some cretins down there.

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How toxic will it get... on 13:31 - Feb 15 with 1621 viewsBlueBadger

How toxic will it get... on 12:22 - Feb 15 by Reuser_is_God

You don’t even go to games you tit.


Weird flex bro, but OK.
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How toxic will it get... on 13:49 - Feb 15 with 1495 viewsJDB23

How toxic will it get... on 11:16 - Feb 15 by Bobbychase

I know it's inevitable that people will turn, but it's not compulsory. It gets talked about like it's the weather or an economic force. We're all capable of staying behind the team while the match is in progress and then venting anger after the final whistle.

There are so many examples of our recent history of how fans turning on the team during the game doesn't help. And yet it keeps happening.


To play Devil's advocate, there's plenty examples of us banging out 100% support and it having f all positive effect too.
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How toxic will it get... on 13:56 - Feb 15 with 1447 viewsBobbychase

How toxic will it get... on 13:49 - Feb 15 by JDB23

To play Devil's advocate, there's plenty examples of us banging out 100% support and it having f all positive effect too.


True, but I look at it this way:

Getting behind the team: Helps sometimes

Getting on their backs during play: Has never helped and never will

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How toxic will it get... on 14:04 - Feb 15 with 1418 viewspatrickswell

I think Lambert is finding himself in a really tight spot, now. The relegation last year could be put on to Hurst's shoulders and the players who, to judge from Bart's recent interview, regarded themselves as relegated when Lambert arrived despite his attempts to rally them - the unspoken assumption being that Bart and the other senior players regarded Hurst's signings as not up to scratch. Where Lambert was tarnished by relegation was the inability to really make a dent on the fight. There wasn't even a shock win a la Anfield 1995 to warm the supporters.
To Lambert's credit, we didn't carry the hangover into this season thanks to our start, but since October we have declined and our response to going top on January 25 has suddenly shown up the problems we've had. Basically, the team has bottled it, very publically and very damagingly. It really feels as though they want to get this season out of the way as quickly as possible in order to dampen down expectation and remove pressure. But there will be plenty of fans that will feel betrayed and let down by that if it should happen, especially those who spent last season persuading themselves that they were having a marvellous time as the roof and floor fell in around them.
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How toxic will it get... on 14:35 - Feb 15 with 1325 viewsBlueBadger

How toxic will it get... on 13:49 - Feb 15 by JDB23

To play Devil's advocate, there's plenty examples of us banging out 100% support and it having f all positive effect too.


Don't forget all the booing that made Matt Richards into a world class player!

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