| If you buy illegal drugs on 08:29 - Feb 19 with 2217 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 08:18 - Feb 19 by GlasgowBlue |
Are you unable to make your point without resorting to insulting people? You could have made yiur argument without calling Jeera a nutter. |
In fairness he has gone about 5 posts without calling anyone that disagrees with him a clueless righty, so there’s some progress |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 11:06 - Feb 19 with 2158 views | BrixtonBlue |
I asked you for evidence that there is a growing problem with off licences selling bootleg alcohol at cheap prices. You just gave me 4 links to the dangers of drinking fake alcohol. Nothing at all about it being a growing problem.
You also, in this post, state "something like cocaine could see much bigger differences in price between legal and illegal sources." Again, have you got any evidence for this? |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 11:34 - Feb 19 with 2120 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 11:06 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
I asked you for evidence that there is a growing problem with off licences selling bootleg alcohol at cheap prices. You just gave me 4 links to the dangers of drinking fake alcohol. Nothing at all about it being a growing problem.
You also, in this post, state "something like cocaine could see much bigger differences in price between legal and illegal sources." Again, have you got any evidence for this? |
I took your response as not really believing that market existed, given your comments of:
‘Do people look to buy bootleg booze because it's cheaper than going to the pub?’
‘I have no idea where to buy cheap bootleg alcohol’
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‘very little illegal trade and sold on most high streets’
Hence responding with a number of links highlighting the issue and confirming a size of £1 billion+. However, seeing as you've now so politely asked for evidence the problem is increasing, here are a number of links confirming it’s a growing problem and has been for some time (and not just in the UK):
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/society/2014/jun/10/counterfe
https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/uk/968814/prosecco-fraudst
https://www.foodbev.com/news/distilling-the-alarming-rise-of-counterfeit-beer-wi
https://www.morningadvertiser.co.uk/Article/2019/01/23/How-can-operators-stay-cl
As for my comment re cocaine cost, it is clearly a theory as no one can say for certain what would happen. However as per my other post to HARRY10, any official supply would be subject to controls, taxation and the need for suppliers/retailers to make profit. That would be juxtaposed against an illegal supply desperate to maintain their market and keep making money - this being the exact reason that when previously illegal drugs have been made legal elsewhere, costs have been up to 50% more expensive when purchasing legally. What evidence do you have that costs would be comparable? | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:09 - Feb 19 with 2115 views | leitrimblue |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 20:03 - Feb 18 by sparks |
1- who decides what is recreational?
2- Do you agree that there is no commonly used Class A which is strictly recreational and without geneuine risk of serious addiction or physical harm?
3- If you would stop sale of cheap alcohol- isnt that entirely contrary to your legalisation argument? People will make cheap alcohol. Its not difficult.
4- Does that mean that the recreational drugs must not be cheap as well?
4 straight questions. I am expecting evasion rather than answers. |
For number 2 I would like to put forward LSD, MDMA, mushrooms and possibly ketamine(might be class B,) and cannabis oils if still class A |  | | |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:09 - Feb 19 with 2114 views | BrixtonBlue |
Your first article is 5 years old, your second says nothing about a growing problem, your third says it's a growing problem around the world but nothing about the UK.
You're getting desperate. Cheap bootleg alcohol is a tiny problem. | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:12 - Feb 19 with 2108 views | leitrimblue |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 22:14 - Feb 18 by Melford |
Everybody who I get weed off just sells that exclusively, from I what I can tell It's all local grows in someone's loft or something. I've harvested a few of these things before, spent a whole day 10-4 in some geezers loft to strip 18 plants. Pick all the buds off and trim the leaves/stems off and hang them in the net to dry, using my chef skills. It's all low-key and local, if you have a spare room or a loft it's easy enough to get some lights and do it yourself. |
Good work Melford, support your local artisan growers. | | | |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:13 - Feb 19 with 2102 views | sparks |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:09 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
Your first article is 5 years old, your second says nothing about a growing problem, your third says it's a growing problem around the world but nothing about the UK.
You're getting desperate. Cheap bootleg alcohol is a tiny problem. |
Its also a problem which cannot possibly be addressed. Anyone with the ability to get information from the internet and the ability to combine sugar and yeast, can make cheap alcohol. |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:13 - Feb 19 with 2100 views | noggin |
FFS, is this still going? You lot must be on drugs. |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:21 - Feb 19 with 2078 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:13 - Feb 19 by sparks |
Its also a problem which cannot possibly be addressed. Anyone with the ability to get information from the internet and the ability to combine sugar and yeast, can make cheap alcohol. |
I don't know what your point is. Compared to alcohol sold in pubs and off-licences, people getting information off the internet and combining sugar and yeast is a tiny amount. | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:04 - Feb 19 with 2035 views | sparks |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:21 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
I don't know what your point is. Compared to alcohol sold in pubs and off-licences, people getting information off the internet and combining sugar and yeast is a tiny amount. |
What are you arguing about now? Seriously. Take a step back! | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:14 - Feb 19 with 2026 views | hype313 |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:21 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
I don't know what your point is. Compared to alcohol sold in pubs and off-licences, people getting information off the internet and combining sugar and yeast is a tiny amount. |
I think bullers is in agreement with you, however 14 pages of this and you can soon lose the will to live. |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:30 - Feb 19 with 2008 views | Lord_Lucan |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:14 - Feb 19 by hype313 |
I think bullers is in agreement with you, however 14 pages of this and you can soon lose the will to live. |
I think the biggest problem with legalising drugs is that people like Dolly will have access to them. |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:32 - Feb 19 with 2000 views | BigManBlue |
Another 14 pages and I might need some drugs. |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:32 - Feb 19 with 1998 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:04 - Feb 19 by sparks |
What are you arguing about now? Seriously. Take a step back! |
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I'm typing in English, what are you failing to understand? Healy is making the point that there'd still be illegal drugs just like there's still illegal booze - I'm countering by saying the illegal booze trade is very small in comparison to how much legal booze is sold. So saying there would still be illegal drugs isn't much of a valid reason against legalisation.
Not sure what bit you're struggling with. | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:34 - Feb 19 with 1995 views | BackToRussia |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:32 - Feb 19 by BigManBlue |
Another 14 pages and I might need some drugs. |
Even drugs can't make this thread good. |  |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:35 - Feb 19 with 1993 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:30 - Feb 19 by Lord_Lucan |
I think the biggest problem with legalising drugs is that people like Dolly will have access to them. |
What are people like me like? | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:43 - Feb 19 with 1982 views | sparks |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:32 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
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I'm typing in English, what are you failing to understand? Healy is making the point that there'd still be illegal drugs just like there's still illegal booze - I'm countering by saying the illegal booze trade is very small in comparison to how much legal booze is sold. So saying there would still be illegal drugs isn't much of a valid reason against legalisation.
Not sure what bit you're struggling with. |
So why ae you arguing with me? Take. A. Step. Back. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:50 - Feb 19 with 1978 views | Swailsey |
Classic TWTD. |  |
| Who said: "Colin Healy made Cesc Fabregas look like Colin Healy"? | We miss you TLA |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:51 - Feb 19 with 1975 views | BrixtonBlue |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:43 - Feb 19 by sparks |
So why ae you arguing with me? Take. A. Step. Back. |
You replied to me. I simply said I don't know what your point is. | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:03 - Feb 19 with 1902 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:09 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
Your first article is 5 years old, your second says nothing about a growing problem, your third says it's a growing problem around the world but nothing about the UK.
You're getting desperate. Cheap bootleg alcohol is a tiny problem. |
What?
I just selected a wide range to highlight the ongoing growing nature of it, but plenty of other articles can be found from a quick Google. To pickup on your specific points though:
Article 1 - yes, hence the comment that it has been growing for some time
Article 2 - “Now, a rise in demand for Prosecco has seen shady producers and traders faking the Italian sparkling wine.“ and “ Food Standards Agency (FSA) inspectors have seen a big rise in sparkling wines from Eastern Europe being passed off as the more expensive drink.”. Both from the first 2 paragraphs
Article 3 - so? Alcohol is legal in all the countries listed, as above I just included to highlight that the issue is growing
Article 4 - omitted from your comments, presumably as it’s from 2019 and highlights a ‘sharp increase’
I believe I already acknowledged it was relatively small (although not sure I’d call £1 billion+ tiny btw, the UK alcohol industry is c£46bn so that’s over 2%). However as also commented previously in the thread, I think it’s reasonable to assume the issue would be a lot bigger for drugs given the different starting point (ie. going from illegal to legal rather than having been legal since basically ever) and price point, plus addiction factors | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:05 - Feb 19 with 1900 views | sparks |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:51 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
You replied to me. I simply said I don't know what your point is. |
Gmpf. | |
| The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they've found it.
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:09 - Feb 19 with 1886 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 12:21 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
I don't know what your point is. Compared to alcohol sold in pubs and off-licences, people getting information off the internet and combining sugar and yeast is a tiny amount. |
It’s not just people combining sugar and yeast though - in most cases it’s either diluting genuine spirits with other agents or the cheap import and illegal sale of the genuine thing
Might be worth doing a bit of reading up on this if you’re going to get so invested in commenting on it, as otherwise you might come across as not having a clue what you’re talking about | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:14 - Feb 19 with 1871 views | C_HealyIsAPleasure |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 13:32 - Feb 19 by BrixtonBlue |
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I'm typing in English, what are you failing to understand? Healy is making the point that there'd still be illegal drugs just like there's still illegal booze - I'm countering by saying the illegal booze trade is very small in comparison to how much legal booze is sold. So saying there would still be illegal drugs isn't much of a valid reason against legalisation.
Not sure what bit you're struggling with. |
Actually if you’d read Healy’s posts you’d have noted that he is broadly pro the idea of legalisation. It was there in the first post you replied to
Healy however just doesn’t think it will be a miracle cure-all and that illegal markets will still exist. The subject of alcohol only came up as you raised it and asked if people are buying bootleg booze, seemingly unaware that they are. Healy just pointed out that they, acknowledged it was small but did highlight a number of reasons that alcohol wouldn’t be an apples and apples comparison - but rather than debate that you chose to go down a strange rabbit hole arguing whether the illegal alcohol market was growing or not
Rather odd behaviour all round | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:15 - Feb 19 with 1866 views | noggin |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:09 - Feb 19 by C_HealyIsAPleasure |
It’s not just people combining sugar and yeast though - in most cases it’s either diluting genuine spirits with other agents or the cheap import and illegal sale of the genuine thing
Might be worth doing a bit of reading up on this if you’re going to get so invested in commenting on it, as otherwise you might come across as not having a clue what you’re talking about |
But like he said earlier, I have never been offered hooky alcohol and wouldn't know where to look. Class A drugs however, are everywhere. | |
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| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:18 - Feb 19 with 1859 views | itfcjoe |
| If you buy illegal drugs on 16:15 - Feb 19 by noggin |
But like he said earlier, I have never been offered hooky alcohol and wouldn't know where to look. Class A drugs however, are everywhere. |
I could get hold of hooky alcohol or fags easier than drugs in Ipswich - although neither are difficult |  |
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