If you buy illegal drugs on 18:23 - Feb 17 with 7826 views | noggin |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:21 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | Do you buy petrol from petrol dealing gangs who terrorise the communities they operate in? |
Indirectly, yes. Millions murdered in the quest for oil. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:23 - Feb 17 with 7813 views | Herbivore |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:21 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | Do you buy petrol from petrol dealing gangs who terrorise the communities they operate in? |
You said you'd rather they stay in criminal hands than be made legal, so maybe climb down off that high horse. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:26 - Feb 17 with 7810 views | noggin |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:19 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | It may be but advertisers/marketers are cunning creatures. Plus the gigantic publicity from legalisation would do most of their job for them anyway. I and my family are leaving the UK so I don't care about the ongoing slow-motion societal collapse *that* much anymore and I am now certain that legalisation will happen in the next 20 years or so. I just would like people to stop buying illegal drugs. |
Well alcohol is not advertised here. Not on tv, not on radio, not even in pubs where special offers are not allowed and even beer posters are not allowed on the walls. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:26 - Feb 17 with 7800 views | chicoazul |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:26 - Feb 17 by noggin | Well alcohol is not advertised here. Not on tv, not on radio, not even in pubs where special offers are not allowed and even beer posters are not allowed on the walls. |
And yet you tell us the pubs are always packed. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:27 - Feb 17 with 7792 views | noggin |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:26 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | And yet you tell us the pubs are always packed. |
Exactly, that is my point. People want to get high, deal with it. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:31 - Feb 17 with 7772 views | BrixtonBlue |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:19 - Feb 17 by sparks | You could. But that doesnt let those buyers off the moral hook... |
It's a moot point though isn't it? If you want a grown-up discussion around the problems of drugs and drug gangs then Chico's war against middle-class recreational users is not going to make an iota of difference. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:33 - Feb 17 with 7762 views | BrixtonBlue |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:19 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | It may be but advertisers/marketers are cunning creatures. Plus the gigantic publicity from legalisation would do most of their job for them anyway. I and my family are leaving the UK so I don't care about the ongoing slow-motion societal collapse *that* much anymore and I am now certain that legalisation will happen in the next 20 years or so. I just would like people to stop buying illegal drugs. |
Is your problem just with the legality? Alcohol is absolutely fine because it's legal? | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 18:38 - Feb 17 with 7731 views | HARRY10 |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:02 - Feb 17 by footers | I know you're trolling with these threads, chickers, but MDMA is an interesting case in point about legality and morality. Pure MDMA has never killed anyone but is illegal. Alcohol kills many tens of thousands a year and isn't. If we were being reasonable and objective, then it would be the other way round. That said, at least pissheads don't come over all 'I feel like I've known you forever, maaan' and want constant hugs. |
But they do use the word 'man' in their speach You can actually tell the strength of the weed they've been puffing by the number of 'mans' in each sentence A bit like the Beaufort scale, only it's the Reefer scale,.Anything over four man's a sentence and it is off to the all night garage for munchies .... man | | | | Login to get fewer ads
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:09 - Feb 17 with 7697 views | Radlett_blue |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:01 - Feb 17 by noggin | Why aren't you trying to have alcohol made illegal? It is directly responsible for crime and health problems for both user and loved ones. |
Yes, if you started from scratch, would you make cigarettes and alcohol legal and marijuana illegal? If wealthy people stopped buying expensive drugs, prices for drugs would fall and then maybe more people would consume them. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 19:49 - Feb 17 with 7667 views | Leaky | We could try prosecuting the end user. Who could a Banker , Solicitor or who ever, if they ran the risk of having a drugs conviction possibly on there CV, they may make a lifestyle choice and give drugs a miss. Would then hit the customer base of the dealer, force prices down may and well force the dealer out of business. Ok its not going to help the addicts however if it takes some drugs off the streets it must be a help. | | | |
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:53 - Feb 17 with 7653 views | footers |
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:49 - Feb 17 by Leaky | We could try prosecuting the end user. Who could a Banker , Solicitor or who ever, if they ran the risk of having a drugs conviction possibly on there CV, they may make a lifestyle choice and give drugs a miss. Would then hit the customer base of the dealer, force prices down may and well force the dealer out of business. Ok its not going to help the addicts however if it takes some drugs off the streets it must be a help. |
You realise that being convicted of anything would most likely bar high-end bankers and solicitors from continuing to practise already? | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 19:55 - Feb 17 with 7644 views | noggin |
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:49 - Feb 17 by Leaky | We could try prosecuting the end user. Who could a Banker , Solicitor or who ever, if they ran the risk of having a drugs conviction possibly on there CV, they may make a lifestyle choice and give drugs a miss. Would then hit the customer base of the dealer, force prices down may and well force the dealer out of business. Ok its not going to help the addicts however if it takes some drugs off the streets it must be a help. |
You'd need a million police officers on the streets to achieve that. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 19:59 - Feb 17 with 7624 views | HARRY10 |
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:53 - Feb 17 by footers | You realise that being convicted of anything would most likely bar high-end bankers and solicitors from continuing to practise already? |
A very noble ideal though flawed by the simple expedient of there then being no one to carry out the prosecutions or sentencing | | | |
If you buy illegal drugs on 20:07 - Feb 17 with 7601 views | LeoMuff |
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:49 - Feb 17 by Leaky | We could try prosecuting the end user. Who could a Banker , Solicitor or who ever, if they ran the risk of having a drugs conviction possibly on there CV, they may make a lifestyle choice and give drugs a miss. Would then hit the customer base of the dealer, force prices down may and well force the dealer out of business. Ok its not going to help the addicts however if it takes some drugs off the streets it must be a help. |
Ludicrous, as others have said we could blow billions on the policing needed to achieve this or we could legalise it to control it, make it safer, cut out the criminal gangs, and make some tax money. As others have said the demand to get high has been present for thousands of years, laws have not and will not change that, so we need to control and regulate it as much as we can | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 20:19 - Feb 17 with 7582 views | HARRY10 |
If you buy illegal drugs on 20:07 - Feb 17 by LeoMuff | Ludicrous, as others have said we could blow billions on the policing needed to achieve this or we could legalise it to control it, make it safer, cut out the criminal gangs, and make some tax money. As others have said the demand to get high has been present for thousands of years, laws have not and will not change that, so we need to control and regulate it as much as we can |
There would be far less deaths etc as it would be regulated, just as Aspirin etc are Heroin etc provide by the state would work out far cheaper than the huge cost in police and courts and prison time Likewise the stress caused to victims suffering thefts, burglaries etc Similarly the costs to the NHS in treating addicts ... and recreational users. And no I am not advocating a free for all - just a more pragmatic approach as has evolved with contraception | | | |
If you buy illegal drugs on 21:17 - Feb 17 with 7541 views | NewcyBlue |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:09 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | Not true though. Japan for instance strictly enforces drug laws. Consequently, very few dealers drive expensive Land Rovers beat people in the streets and feel free to intimidate whoever they like. |
In the interests of fairness there are other luxury vehicles available. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 21:18 - Feb 17 with 7540 views | BrixtonBlue |
If you buy illegal drugs on 20:19 - Feb 17 by HARRY10 | There would be far less deaths etc as it would be regulated, just as Aspirin etc are Heroin etc provide by the state would work out far cheaper than the huge cost in police and courts and prison time Likewise the stress caused to victims suffering thefts, burglaries etc Similarly the costs to the NHS in treating addicts ... and recreational users. And no I am not advocating a free for all - just a more pragmatic approach as has evolved with contraception |
You and Mr. Muff have it right. Chico could learn a thing or two, but unfortunately he never does and will be back with his same argument in a couple of weeks. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 21:20 - Feb 17 with 7531 views | Lord_Lucan |
If you buy illegal drugs on 19:09 - Feb 17 by Radlett_blue | Yes, if you started from scratch, would you make cigarettes and alcohol legal and marijuana illegal? If wealthy people stopped buying expensive drugs, prices for drugs would fall and then maybe more people would consume them. |
Not sure about the 2nd part Radders Back in the 80's coke was difficult to get hold of and was about £100 a G | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 21:38 - Feb 17 with 7502 views | HARRY10 |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:09 - Feb 17 by chicoazul | Not true though. Japan for instance strictly enforces drug laws. Consequently, very few dealers drive expensive Land Rovers beat people in the streets and feel free to intimidate whoever they like. |
Though this strict enforcement has not stopped "Although cannabis use is fiercely penalized, law enforcement spends a growing proportion of time dealing with marijuana-related drug crime. According to National Police Agency data, 3,578 cannabis-related cases were recorded in 2018 – an increase of 570 cases compared to the year before." Aug 2019 Other drugs that are 'highs' have seen a growing level of consumption. I think yoir main concern is that those involved with the trade are seen to not only be making money out of ut, but flaunting it Well, the reality is that those type do. Just in the old days of Dixon of Dock Green where the 'word on the stret is x has been seen flashing money around. It can't be the amount distributed as the British issued over 78m speed tablets in the second world war. Look up how Germany managed to race through the Ardennes in 1940 - the clue being Pervitin (see below) https://www.livescience.com/65788-world-war-ii-nazis-methamphetamines.html MDMA (ecstacy) was developed in 1916 by the Germans oin 1916 as an appetite supressant The British went to war with the Chinese in the 19th century to enforce their opium sales to China. So maybe you should stop bleating away like a modern day Mary Whitehouse and at least read up first, rather than regurgitate guff from the Mail etc | | | |
If you buy illegal drugs on 21:46 - Feb 17 with 7492 views | sparks |
If you buy illegal drugs on 21:18 - Feb 17 by BrixtonBlue | You and Mr. Muff have it right. Chico could learn a thing or two, but unfortunately he never does and will be back with his same argument in a couple of weeks. |
Will you at least consider the moral issue here instead of deflecting? If you buy these drugs, you are contributing to the criminality and the abuse and exploitation of kids and vulnerable people in the supply network, as well as the violent crime. Not to mention the family and domestic problems that go with (particualrly class a) drug use. Is there really a qualitiative (as opposed to moral outrage based) difference, between someone viewing child porn, and this? The former, is not directly hurting the kids and may a person never have any likelihood or intention of doing direct harm to anyone (though obviously some do- which is a separate issue). However, by creating the demand they are indirectly causing harm and rightly punished when caught. By buying drugs, you are also not directly intending harm- (save perhaps to yourself) but you are similarly supporting and facilitating a trade which is actively harming many vulnerable people in appalling ways. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 21:47 - Feb 17 with 7490 views | jaykay |
If you buy illegal drugs on 17:33 - Feb 17 by BrixtonBlue | Seeing as that's not going to happen, you could try legalising in order to stop violent criminal gangs exploiting vulnerable people and children. |
you would have to legalise every known high,because they would move on other drugs to sell to the kids e.g. the zombie drug. side note i know one occasional drug user who moans like hell about people smoking fags. one addict moaning about another | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 22:01 - Feb 17 with 7460 views | fabian_illness |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:12 - Feb 17 by BrixtonBlue | I think the one he scaremongers is himself. I reckon he's one of those people who've never tried any kind of illegal drug because he's scared of them, due to ignorance, and will happily spout "drugs are bad mkay" while drinking a pint of government approved intoxication. |
That would be me. I’ve never tried any of it and never want to. As you said, sh1t scared. Don’t drink either. I remember my dad coming home off his face on whatever he could get hold of and beating my mum black and blue, on numerous occasions, not great childhood memories. | | | |
If you buy illegal drugs on 22:06 - Feb 17 with 7453 views | HARRY10 |
If you buy illegal drugs on 21:47 - Feb 17 by jaykay | you would have to legalise every known high,because they would move on other drugs to sell to the kids e.g. the zombie drug. side note i know one occasional drug user who moans like hell about people smoking fags. one addict moaning about another |
Not true on the simple basis that the supply network would not exist - just as no one produces, or buys bootleg booze anymore. And just because stealing sheep no longer warrants a death penalty the country is not flooded with sheep stealing. All these scare stories and misleading guff from you and Sparks suggest a real lack of knowledge of this subject and a peddling old worn out myths that actually hold back progress on this problem. | | | |
If you buy illegal drugs on 23:16 - Feb 17 with 7419 views | sparks |
If you buy illegal drugs on 22:06 - Feb 17 by HARRY10 | Not true on the simple basis that the supply network would not exist - just as no one produces, or buys bootleg booze anymore. And just because stealing sheep no longer warrants a death penalty the country is not flooded with sheep stealing. All these scare stories and misleading guff from you and Sparks suggest a real lack of knowledge of this subject and a peddling old worn out myths that actually hold back progress on this problem. |
Please identify what I have said that is wrong or illogical. Be specific. | |
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If you buy illegal drugs on 23:31 - Feb 17 with 7400 views | Melford |
If you buy illegal drugs on 18:02 - Feb 17 by footers | I know you're trolling with these threads, chickers, but MDMA is an interesting case in point about legality and morality. Pure MDMA has never killed anyone but is illegal. Alcohol kills many tens of thousands a year and isn't. If we were being reasonable and objective, then it would be the other way round. That said, at least pissheads don't come over all 'I feel like I've known you forever, maaan' and want constant hugs. |
My Ecstasy years- 1997-2002 I had the best years of my life clubbing and raving at the weekends. I met so many people and ended in up same strange situations, everybody was so chilled out and cool but that scene died out and it's back to the 80s where everybody's on the lager and lines of coke and it's all a lot more aggressive. You bumped into someone back then and you'll spend an hour talking to them, not having to worry about getting your lights punched out. | |
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