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The government's immigration policy 06:33 - Feb 19 with 3947 viewsgerryitfc

Controversial for many yet acceptable for others. The one thing which stands out for me and imho is correct is the new benefits rule. I can't see why anyone would be hostile to this.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51550421
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The government's immigration policy on 13:25 - Feb 20 with 434 viewsnoggin

The government's immigration policy on 13:08 - Feb 20 by Herbivore

Other EU countries manage it.


Indeed. I had to report to the police station with proof of offer of employment, before I was granted permission to stay here over 3 months. This despite my girlfriend saying she would support me.
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The government's immigration policy on 13:28 - Feb 20 with 427 viewsnoggin

The government's immigration policy on 13:25 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

I would be interested to see the facts and figures.


https://www.thelocal.no/20161230/norway-deported-record-number-in-2016

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The government's immigration policy on 13:42 - Feb 20 with 411 viewsnoggin

Slack border controls. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/burglary-tourists-marcus-wareing-chef-lond
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The government's immigration policy on 14:00 - Feb 20 with 393 viewsHerbivore

The government's immigration policy on 13:25 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

I would be interested to see the facts and figures.


https://www.equaltimes.org/belgium-ramps-up-eu-expulsions?lang=en#.Xk6QwGSnyDY

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The government's immigration policy on 14:07 - Feb 20 with 380 viewsLord_Lucan

The government's immigration policy on 14:00 - Feb 20 by Herbivore

https://www.equaltimes.org/belgium-ramps-up-eu-expulsions?lang=en#.Xk6QwGSnyDY


Our figures seem to be higher.

There were 8,637 enforced returns from the UK in the year ending March 2019, 25% fewer than the previous year (11,509). This was largely accounted for by falls in:

Enforced returns of people who were in detention prior to their return, which fell by 23% to 7,699 compared with 9,963 in the previous year
Enforced returns for both EU nationals (down 883 to 3,637) and non-EU nationals (down 1,989 to 5,000). EU nationals accounted for 42% of enforced returns throughout the year and the majority (56%) of these were Romanian and Polish nationals

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The government's immigration policy on 14:15 - Feb 20 with 363 viewsHerbivore

The government's immigration policy on 14:07 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

Our figures seem to be higher.

There were 8,637 enforced returns from the UK in the year ending March 2019, 25% fewer than the previous year (11,509). This was largely accounted for by falls in:

Enforced returns of people who were in detention prior to their return, which fell by 23% to 7,699 compared with 9,963 in the previous year
Enforced returns for both EU nationals (down 883 to 3,637) and non-EU nationals (down 1,989 to 5,000). EU nationals accounted for 42% of enforced returns throughout the year and the majority (56%) of these were Romanian and Polish nationals


Our figures are almost exclusively for people who have been detained if you look at the numbers you've posted. The article I posted is about deporting people on economic grounds, which we've not really done at all in the UK despite other EU countries doing it.

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The government's immigration policy on 14:16 - Feb 20 with 359 viewsnoggin

The government's immigration policy on 14:07 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

Our figures seem to be higher.

There were 8,637 enforced returns from the UK in the year ending March 2019, 25% fewer than the previous year (11,509). This was largely accounted for by falls in:

Enforced returns of people who were in detention prior to their return, which fell by 23% to 7,699 compared with 9,963 in the previous year
Enforced returns for both EU nationals (down 883 to 3,637) and non-EU nationals (down 1,989 to 5,000). EU nationals accounted for 42% of enforced returns throughout the year and the majority (56%) of these were Romanian and Polish nationals


So the powers are used. I imagine cuts to police and border forces are the reason more aren't being kicked out.

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The government's immigration policy on 14:32 - Feb 20 with 346 viewsLord_Lucan

The government's immigration policy on 14:15 - Feb 20 by Herbivore

Our figures are almost exclusively for people who have been detained if you look at the numbers you've posted. The article I posted is about deporting people on economic grounds, which we've not really done at all in the UK despite other EU countries doing it.


There were about 1000 non detained enforced returns

3000 EU citizens refused entry at port

There were 13,000 voluntary returns - ‘Voluntary returns’ include a variety of departures, including assisted voluntary returns, controlled returns and other verified returns

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-ma

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The government's immigration policy on 15:10 - Feb 20 with 306 viewsHerbivore

The government's immigration policy on 14:32 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

There were about 1000 non detained enforced returns

3000 EU citizens refused entry at port

There were 13,000 voluntary returns - ‘Voluntary returns’ include a variety of departures, including assisted voluntary returns, controlled returns and other verified returns

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/immigration-statistics-year-ending-ma


1000 isn't very many, and we don't really know what they were deported for other than that they weren't detained. As a country we've not really used existing powers as we could have done had we so much anted to. It's been more politically expedient for the government to let people think we have a load of foreign freeloaders over here, they make a convenient target.

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The government's immigration policy on 16:09 - Feb 20 with 281 viewsLord_Lucan

The government's immigration policy on 15:10 - Feb 20 by Herbivore

1000 isn't very many, and we don't really know what they were deported for other than that they weren't detained. As a country we've not really used existing powers as we could have done had we so much anted to. It's been more politically expedient for the government to let people think we have a load of foreign freeloaders over here, they make a convenient target.


To be honest after the initial comments I actually think it's a lot, far more than I expected.

If you think the figure should be higher I would say it's because of the lack of staff.

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The government's immigration policy on 16:13 - Feb 20 with 274 viewsHerbivore

The government's immigration policy on 16:09 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

To be honest after the initial comments I actually think it's a lot, far more than I expected.

If you think the figure should be higher I would say it's because of the lack of staff.


Although we don't know what the 1000 were deported for, it doesn't say that it's because they weren't economically self sustaining, which was the initial point. Given that the vast majority of other deportees had been detained at some point it seems we mainly deport on public safety rather than economic grounds. In any case the point is that EU countries can deport citizens who aren't making an economic contribution and most other EU countries do so. We've tended not to follow suit. I don't really get why we wouldn't want to welcome our European brothers and sisters if they are making an economic contribution, so I don't really see the value of ending freedom of movement, especially when it restricts our own freedoms.

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The Brexit wheels are truly falling off on this new immigration policy on 16:27 - Feb 20 with 252 viewsjontysnut

The Brexit wheels are truly falling off on this new immigration policy on 08:44 - Feb 19 by unstableblue

Project Fear coming to fruition, because it was evidence and expert based. Whereas Leave was an emotive sound bite.

First key point - this morning I listened to a leader of the Care Industry who has been advising government. Very critical of the immigration plan - there are 125,000 open positions in care. Only 'unskilled' (there is nothing unskilled about social care) and low paid European workers are propping up the system.

The service sector also needs this European workforce - hotels/restaurants, the lucrative UK tourist market needs this flexing pool of labour.

The laughable concept that there is a ready made UK workforce is a fallacy. So we will end up reducing these measures - measures which in some cases will increase South Asian immigration and take jobs UK people actually want.

Then there are of course the regulations that oiled a friction less trade zone and were not the demonised Brussels control sold to us by Farage and the tabloids.

I do see an outcome where we are outside looking in to Europe, not influencing, aligned with EU specifications, with a poor immigration situation, having spent billions on building bureaucracy back into UK government, economically weaker, and with a Union in turmoil.

Stronger borders and 'taking back control' were sound bites I'm afraid. One things is for sure Brexit is only just beginning people.
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the fact is that private social care is almost a bankrupt sector - costs are rising but councils don't have the money due to settlement cuts. I can see a lot of providers pulling out and selling their property for housing. Workforce is a worry but I think the whole sector is wobbling. The government hasn't got a clue what to do about it.
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The government's immigration policy on 16:31 - Feb 20 with 249 viewsHARRY10

The government's immigration policy on 11:12 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan

If I had voted Brexit (which I considered) immigration would have not been a point that I would have had to think about. Personally I am all for freedom of movement, if I could have got rid of the megalomaniac EU parliament and kept freedom of movement then I would have Brexited.

However; There is one thing that all the childish gammon throwers should know, Brexit wasn't about stopping immigration, it was about having the power to decide who can come in to the country. You know, a crazy self governing sort of thing.

Why should all the migrants come from EU? That surely is a daft racist way of thinking no?


Comments about the EU Parliament are just silly - and do nothing other than spead that ignorance further.

The power of who comes into the counytry will be mostly determined by economic needs, as other EU countries recognise. The UK with it's loony austerity nonsense was not able to monitor who came into the country and who left. Never mind ejecting them

The claim about brexit and immigration was about number - hence the delusion that controlling our borders could cut down the numbers. You yourself expressed surprised at tye number who have been ejected. Which suggests any vote you made on this matter was from a position of not knowing the correct figures. Given you are up on this, what knowledge or thought did others have when casting their vote ?

And it is not racist to flag probable future problems with allowing greater non EU immigrants. Those are economix based concerns.

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The government's immigration policy on 18:53 - Feb 20 with 217 viewsLord_Lucan

The government's immigration policy on 16:31 - Feb 20 by HARRY10

Comments about the EU Parliament are just silly - and do nothing other than spead that ignorance further.

The power of who comes into the counytry will be mostly determined by economic needs, as other EU countries recognise. The UK with it's loony austerity nonsense was not able to monitor who came into the country and who left. Never mind ejecting them

The claim about brexit and immigration was about number - hence the delusion that controlling our borders could cut down the numbers. You yourself expressed surprised at tye number who have been ejected. Which suggests any vote you made on this matter was from a position of not knowing the correct figures. Given you are up on this, what knowledge or thought did others have when casting their vote ?

And it is not racist to flag probable future problems with allowing greater non EU immigrants. Those are economix based concerns.

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You make I laugh.

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