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And indeed any other hate motivated attack of recent times.
Terrible situations. And likely to be repeated many more times over.
How do we replace hate with hope when so many people advocate the former, and indeed trade on it politically. I suspect this model of attack is now with us for a very long time. You see it normalised even in the context of the response of the twtd messageboard, in which it is barely noticed.
Vapes - I suspect you have had a beer and started to evaluate the world.
If you were to really look at things we are living in the most peaceful time and sh1t has been a lot worse years ago. The difference is that we now get to hear about it more through the media.
I'm not saying we are living in a perfect world, I'm just saying how it is.
I love you Vapes but
“Hello, I'm your MP. Actually I'm not. I'm your candidate. Gosh.”
Boris Johnson canvassing in Henley, 2005.
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 03:54 - Feb 21 by Girthyguy
Ban religious views from all angles. No proper evidence any religion is believable. Science wins.
The science (as it was then) of race and eugenics led to the deaths of millions in the gas chambers. Scientific atheist commiunism killed hundreds of millions more. Religious care organisations have saved countless lives. Religious leaders have fronted movements standing up against dictatorships and been murdered as a result.
I'd suggest the problem is more with human nature than any specific ideology or belief system. Ambition and the greed for power are far more destructive.
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 22:31 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan
Vapes - I suspect you have had a beer and started to evaluate the world.
If you were to really look at things we are living in the most peaceful time and sh1t has been a lot worse years ago. The difference is that we now get to hear about it more through the media.
I'm not saying we are living in a perfect world, I'm just saying how it is.
I love you Vapes but
Agreed. Clearly for the average person in the world, life is getting materially better and also socially and healthwise there is more hope.
But the same was true last century even taking into account the most vicious wars and oppressions mankind had ever seen.
So I think Vapers is right too. We have to be wary about the next ripple and readjustment that might lead to something nasty.
Arguably we're already there. The UK and US are into the second decade of a religious/racial war in the Middle East. And we're getting deeper into it in the mainstream too. We've got two shamelessly and unapologetically racist leaders backed up by and allied with fundamentalist Christians and Judaists. (Trump is clearly worse than BoJo here but we're doing our bit). And a mentality of fighting back against "them" and defending our culture has been allowed to develop if not actively encouraged.
Things won't definitely kick off into some all-consuming Third World War. And maybe it'll just settle into some permanent terrorism tit-for-tat that is bad enough. But if it did we couldn't say we didn't see the warning signs.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 08:52 - Feb 21 by Guthrum
The science (as it was then) of race and eugenics led to the deaths of millions in the gas chambers. Scientific atheist commiunism killed hundreds of millions more. Religious care organisations have saved countless lives. Religious leaders have fronted movements standing up against dictatorships and been murdered as a result.
I'd suggest the problem is more with human nature than any specific ideology or belief system. Ambition and the greed for power are far more destructive.
Hear hear.
I'm not religious at all. But a scientific approach would see that there will always be faith and belief. Plus the closer you get to the cutting edge of science, the closer you get to a kind of spiritual questioning and doubt.
I think bringing science and religion closer together is more the answer. Encouraging doubt and questioning is healthy for both. It's when human beings act with certainty that we cause the biggest problems for ourselves and others.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 09:35 - Feb 21 with 5282 views
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 09:25 - Feb 21 by BrianTablet
Being a right-wing bigot isn't a religion....
Oh I dunno. The faith in made up horsesh1t, the justifications of bigotry on spurious grounds, the worship of cult figures preaching better times if only you act in a certain way...
I'm one of the people who was blamed for getting Paul Cook sacked. PM for the full post.
Yep, barely a ripple for the recent Germany mass killing and the mosque stabbing here.
Yet people make a huge deal out of mirror image attacks. There’d have been a very different response if it had been a Muslim targeting Christians outside a church, that’s for sure. Make of that what you will.
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 10:07 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue
Yep, barely a ripple for the recent Germany mass killing and the mosque stabbing here.
Yet people make a huge deal out of mirror image attacks. There’d have been a very different response if it had been a Muslim targeting Christians outside a church, that’s for sure. Make of that what you will.
The German attack has been all over all the news channels.
The mosque attack has not been classed as a terrorist attack so just add it to all the other knife attacks that go pretty much unreported.
All men and women are created, by the, you know the, you know the thing.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 11:37 - Feb 21 with 5182 views
Over the past decade, terrorists killed an average of 21,000 people worldwide each year. The global death toll from terrorism over the past decade ranged from 8,000 in 2010 to a high of 44,000 in 2014. In 2017, terrorism was responsible for 0.05% of global deaths. Terrorism tends to be very geographically-focused: 95% of deaths in 2017 occurred in the Middle East, Africa or South Asia. In most countries terrorism accounts for less than 0.01% of deaths, but in countries of high-conflict, this can be as much as several percent. Public concern about terrorism is high — in many countries more than half say they are concerned about being a victim. Media coverage of terrorism is often disproportionate to its frequency and share of deaths.
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 11:37 - Feb 21 by Radlett_blue
Over the past decade, terrorists killed an average of 21,000 people worldwide each year. The global death toll from terrorism over the past decade ranged from 8,000 in 2010 to a high of 44,000 in 2014. In 2017, terrorism was responsible for 0.05% of global deaths. Terrorism tends to be very geographically-focused: 95% of deaths in 2017 occurred in the Middle East, Africa or South Asia. In most countries terrorism accounts for less than 0.01% of deaths, but in countries of high-conflict, this can be as much as several percent. Public concern about terrorism is high — in many countries more than half say they are concerned about being a victim. Media coverage of terrorism is often disproportionate to its frequency and share of deaths.
Or in other words, the relatively low likelihood of terrorism is weaponised by others (besides the terrorists themselves) for power grabs.
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 11:46 - Feb 21 by Swansea_Blue
Or in other words, the relatively low likelihood of terrorism is weaponised by others (besides the terrorists themselves) for power grabs.
Controlled by fear, religion and fear are age old tools and weapons of control, the fact they are still used in the 21st century is damning, religions of all hues should be mocked, barely tolerated, not endorsed.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 12:24 - Feb 21 by GaryCooper
Controlled by fear, religion and fear are age old tools and weapons of control, the fact they are still used in the 21st century is damning, religions of all hues should be mocked, barely tolerated, not endorsed.
If they're used for control, yes.
Same goes for populism which is basically a secular religion in its worst form.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 13:07 - Feb 21 with 5072 views
The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 09:33 - Feb 21 by Darth_Koont
Hear hear.
I'm not religious at all. But a scientific approach would see that there will always be faith and belief. Plus the closer you get to the cutting edge of science, the closer you get to a kind of spiritual questioning and doubt.
I think bringing science and religion closer together is more the answer. Encouraging doubt and questioning is healthy for both. It's when human beings act with certainty that we cause the biggest problems for ourselves and others.
“I was interested in truth from the point of view of salvation just as much as in truth from the point of view of scientific certainty. It appeared to me that there were two paths to truth, and I decided to follow both of them.” ― Georges Lemaître
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 11:37 - Feb 21 by Radlett_blue
Over the past decade, terrorists killed an average of 21,000 people worldwide each year. The global death toll from terrorism over the past decade ranged from 8,000 in 2010 to a high of 44,000 in 2014. In 2017, terrorism was responsible for 0.05% of global deaths. Terrorism tends to be very geographically-focused: 95% of deaths in 2017 occurred in the Middle East, Africa or South Asia. In most countries terrorism accounts for less than 0.01% of deaths, but in countries of high-conflict, this can be as much as several percent. Public concern about terrorism is high — in many countries more than half say they are concerned about being a victim. Media coverage of terrorism is often disproportionate to its frequency and share of deaths.
Depends on what you term terrorism
The Manchester bomb, or a drone that kills children in the Middle East.
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter as the bombing of Dresden 75 years ago demonstrated.
The biggest killer is ignorance.
For those wondering how things in Germany developed as they did in the 1930's then look no further than the words of the brexiteer on Question Time last night.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 13:07 - Feb 21 by Durovigutum
“I was interested in truth from the point of view of salvation just as much as in truth from the point of view of scientific certainty. It appeared to me that there were two paths to truth, and I decided to follow both of them.” ― Georges Lemaître
Mmmm. I like that.
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The attacks at the mosque and in germany on 22:31 - Feb 20 by Lord_Lucan
Vapes - I suspect you have had a beer and started to evaluate the world.
If you were to really look at things we are living in the most peaceful time and sh1t has been a lot worse years ago. The difference is that we now get to hear about it more through the media.
I'm not saying we are living in a perfect world, I'm just saying how it is.
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