| Is abusive chanting ok? 12:54 - Feb 21 with 9339 views | Trequartista |
i.e. non-woke standard abuse e.g. "the referee's a w*****", "you fat b*****", "you're not very good".
Please note, i think all the somethingaphobic ones are wrong and should be stamped out immediately, so don't @ me, but wondering why the standard abuse ones are ok? surely they are hurtful too, maybe more if directly personal? |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 12:56 - Feb 21 with 4960 views | Dyland |
"the referee's a w*****",
Not hurtful or personal.
"you fat b*****",
Lose some weight if you're bothered.
"you're not very good".
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 12:58 - Feb 21 with 4932 views | LankHenners |
I don't know but I think anyone using the word 'woke' should be put in prison. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:03 - Feb 21 with 4892 views | BlueBadger |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 12:58 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
I don't know but I think anyone using the word 'woke' should be put in prison. |
'Woke' is the current buzzword for ignorant tosspots upset about people attempting to offer some basic human decency to anyone a bit 'different'. It's the new 'PC' or 'do-gooder'. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:16 - Feb 21 with 4829 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:03 - Feb 21 by BlueBadger |
'Woke' is the current buzzword for ignorant tosspots upset about people attempting to offer some basic human decency to anyone a bit 'different'. It's the new 'PC' or 'do-gooder'. |
It had its use in parts of online discourse but then 'regular' people found out about it and it has the same cringey effect as when an older person uses teenage slang: they don't know what it means and are just saying it because they don't understand the world anymore and are trying to mock people who do. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:18 - Feb 21 with 4823 views | chicoazul |
Abuse, mickey taking etc about things people choose to be - not very good, fat athletes, onanists - seem to me to be ok. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:20 - Feb 21 with 4806 views | BlueBadger |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:18 - Feb 21 by chicoazul |
Abuse, mickey taking etc about things people choose to be - not very good, fat athletes, onanists - seem to me to be ok. |
Then why do you keep blocking people who call you thick? | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:21 - Feb 21 with 4797 views | chicoazul |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:20 - Feb 21 by BlueBadger |
Then why do you keep blocking people who call you thick? |
I havent blocked anyone who called me thick. I blocked you because youre boring for instance, or maybe it was because you pasted a blocked person's response to one of my comments. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:29 - Feb 21 with 4766 views | Trequartista |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:18 - Feb 21 by chicoazul |
Abuse, mickey taking etc about things people choose to be - not very good, fat athletes, onanists - seem to me to be ok. |
They were just examples off the top of my head, for the first one, i don't think the person shouting the abuse is literally referring to the act
let's change it to one example - the 'c' word on it's own - is that ok? | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:31 - Feb 21 with 4761 views | BigManBlue |
Like everything, it's contextual. Usually yes. Probably not if you're threatening bodily harm, screaming it two inches from the blokes face, or if there's a school party in front of you. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:32 - Feb 21 with 4752 views | chicoazul |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:29 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
They were just examples off the top of my head, for the first one, i don't think the person shouting the abuse is literally referring to the act
let's change it to one example - the 'c' word on it's own - is that ok? |
I dont think it is, no. But that's just me.
I am making a serious point though. To abuse people over things they have no choice over for e.g. their colour or sexuality is not the same as abusing people over their choice of for e.g. clothes. That should be the guiding principle.
(This of course does not and can never apply to anything to do with Norwich City FC or its' supporters) | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:34 - Feb 21 with 4741 views | jayessess |
I think a lot of this is complicated by the specific social norms and context of league football. Would I call a referee a w*****r if they were reffing a Sunday League game for £20? No, the rewards are meagre for them and the sparse crowd makes it personal. Would I sing it at a professional match official, who is doing something they love and can probably disassociate themselves from being a pantomime villain for 20,000 idiots for an afternoon? Absolutely.
I guess my standard is "does this fundamentally attack anyone's humanity"? Racist and homophobic abuse absolutely does that, not just for the player concerned but also for anyone watching. It makes society a worse place. Does "fat b*****d" do that? Maybe a tiny bit? But given that 99% of footballer supporters are in worse shape than any professional footballer, I can't imagine it makes much of a mark on players or supporters. It's more absurd than anything. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:35 - Feb 21 with 4733 views | footers |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:29 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
They were just examples off the top of my head, for the first one, i don't think the person shouting the abuse is literally referring to the act
let's change it to one example - the 'c' word on it's own - is that ok? |
The c word can be a beautiful thing to say in the right context and with imagination. But more often than not, people just shout it repeatedly so it loses its magical effect. |  |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:40 - Feb 21 with 4689 views | BigManBlue |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:35 - Feb 21 by footers |
The c word can be a beautiful thing to say in the right context and with imagination. But more often than not, people just shout it repeatedly so it loses its magical effect. |
Recently moved to Poland, they have basically one swear word for pretty much every situation.
Don't get me wrong it's a great and very versatile word, but I do miss the variety of our majestic vernacular... | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:41 - Feb 21 with 4676 views | Trequartista |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:32 - Feb 21 by chicoazul |
I dont think it is, no. But that's just me.
I am making a serious point though. To abuse people over things they have no choice over for e.g. their colour or sexuality is not the same as abusing people over their choice of for e.g. clothes. That should be the guiding principle.
(This of course does not and can never apply to anything to do with Norwich City FC or its' supporters) |
I am in absolute agreement with you on that point, and i could put this better, "something you can't help".
So where do you stand on "ginger c", "lanky c", "ugly c" etc etc ? | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:41 - Feb 21 with 4669 views | footers |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:40 - Feb 21 by BigManBlue |
Recently moved to Poland, they have basically one swear word for pretty much every situation.
Don't get me wrong it's a great and very versatile word, but I do miss the variety of our majestic vernacular... |
Kurva is also a beautiful word, but you're absolutely right that nowhere does the old swearing better than blighty. Now if you'd stuck that on the side of a bus you'd have one committed Brexiteer over here :) | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:44 - Feb 21 with 4634 views | BigManBlue |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:41 - Feb 21 by footers |
Kurva is also a beautiful word, but you're absolutely right that nowhere does the old swearing better than blighty. Now if you'd stuck that on the side of a bus you'd have one committed Brexiteer over here :) |
I didn't quite believe that people actually use it as a pause in speech like we do "um". Either that or I really upset the person selling me a coffee... | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:45 - Feb 21 with 4628 views | Ftnfwest |
Large scale chanting of 'scum...'seems to be acceptable though |  | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:52 - Feb 21 with 4590 views | Trequartista |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 12:58 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
I don't know but I think anyone using the word 'woke' should be put in prison. |
See i'm a reasonable chap and i'm not going to take offence at that, because I'm not naive, there are many people latching on to the word, and using it as a perjorative, because they use racist, homophobic etc etc language themselves. I get that.
But ... but there is a phonemenon that has a word to describe it, extreme-pc, whatever you will, adopted by the far left, so i'm afraid you'll have to pardon me while i continue to use it. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:55 - Feb 21 with 4569 views | jayessess |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:41 - Feb 21 by footers |
Kurva is also a beautiful word, but you're absolutely right that nowhere does the old swearing better than blighty. Now if you'd stuck that on the side of a bus you'd have one committed Brexiteer over here :) |
I used to teach English in Spain and lots of Spanish people found the range of swearing in English similarly restrictive, so maybe it's just a nuance you get over time as you learn a language?
(Spanish has a lot of very peculiar, religiously-inflected swears, like "me cago en la hostia" - I s*** on the communion wafer - which English can't really replicate) | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:07 - Feb 21 with 4521 views | LankHenners |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:52 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
See i'm a reasonable chap and i'm not going to take offence at that, because I'm not naive, there are many people latching on to the word, and using it as a perjorative, because they use racist, homophobic etc etc language themselves. I get that.
But ... but there is a phonemenon that has a word to describe it, extreme-pc, whatever you will, adopted by the far left, so i'm afraid you'll have to pardon me while i continue to use it. |
I think as a general rule people shouldn't use words that they don't really understand.
No pardons. You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:12 - Feb 21 with 4494 views | jayessess |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:07 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
I think as a general rule people shouldn't use words that they don't really understand.
No pardons. You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. |
Afaik the only group that consistently use it as a self-description are young African-Americans, to describe the process of coming to understand their own lack of power in US society. Most of the rest of the time, it's being used to sarcastically describe the imagined opinions of others. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:18 - Feb 21 with 4477 views | Trequartista |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:07 - Feb 21 by LankHenners |
I think as a general rule people shouldn't use words that they don't really understand.
No pardons. You'll be first up against the wall when the revolution comes. |
I'm pretty sure I know what I see, it is logical to conclude that those who are exponents of it are the ones that cannot, or will not, see it. | |
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| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:21 - Feb 21 with 4457 views | jontysnut |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:32 - Feb 21 by chicoazul |
I dont think it is, no. But that's just me.
I am making a serious point though. To abuse people over things they have no choice over for e.g. their colour or sexuality is not the same as abusing people over their choice of for e.g. clothes. That should be the guiding principle.
(This of course does not and can never apply to anything to do with Norwich City FC or its' supporters) |
Yes - if you abuse someone over their physical, racial, sexual characteristics you've already lost the argument. I watch a lot of non-league football from where the top officials have mostly come. You're within touching of distance a lino and some of the most devastating, and funniest heckling has been about their ability rather than their size or shape. I think by the time they get to the top level it's all water off a duck's back. |  | | |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 14:26 - Feb 21 with 4443 views | vapour_trail |
| Is abusive chanting ok? on 13:41 - Feb 21 by Trequartista |
I am in absolute agreement with you on that point, and i could put this better, "something you can't help".
So where do you stand on "ginger c", "lanky c", "ugly c" etc etc ? |
nothing wrong with the territory but not hugely creative. |  |
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