| Never ever ever say a manager has a 23:07 - Feb 29 with 8025 views | Bluefish |
Free hit of over half a season again. It was ridiculously tin pot and we are still being destroyed because of it.
Worst manager ever. It didn't need 9th place in league 1 to see that |  |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:09 - Mar 1 with 2563 views | BrixtonBlue |
Utter nonsense as usual from you. Of course he should've had a free hit if you look at the mess he inherited. You expect a manager to come in and change things overnight. It's absolute folly. |  |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:10 - Mar 1 with 2563 views | BlueBadger |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 07:56 - Mar 1 by homer_123 |
As I have said. He's now had two runs where, any other club would have sacked him. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 7:58]
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Three, if you count last season as well. |  |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:13 - Mar 1 with 2546 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 10:58 - Mar 1 by Bluefish |
It is a terrible take to support obvious failings because of the league table when it was so obvious it wasn't sustainable. All comments in the future about managers and teams could be done by just looking at the tables, I realise that football isn't for everyone but that just isn't football. |
Of course it was sustainable. We've been top 6 all season up to a couple of weeks ago. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:14 - Mar 1 with 2535 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 11:02 - Mar 1 by goalhanger |
Shambert has to be the most overrated manager in the PL. A specialist in failure. Everywhere he goes he fails, resigns or leaves by mutual consent. A total clown.
He is Damien of The Omen. A walking disaster area.
Wycombe, Colchester, Norwich, Villa, Blackburn, Wolves and Stoke. Failure every time.
He needs only one more season to usher us into Lg.2.
Cut our losses now and get rid. |
He was a failure at Norwich?! I'd like to see your workings on that one. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:16 - Mar 1 with 2524 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 11:48 - Mar 1 by jayessess |
No one is relegated after 13 games. I have a lot of sympathy with the idea that the squad was so poor that it was unlikely anyone would've kept us up. What I don't get is why Lambert was given such a pass for taking fewer points per game than Hurst did.
You have - via motivation, organisation, tactics, team selection, shrewd recruitment - lots of different ways of having *some* impact on a below standard squad. He had none. |
You also can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:19 - Mar 1 with 2515 views | Bluefish |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:16 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
You also can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. |
3 transfer windows and easily one of the biggest budgets in the division, yes you can and yes you should. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:21 - Mar 1 with 2507 views | jayessess |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:16 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
You also can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear. |
The standard I'm holding him to is being better than Paul Hurst. I don't think that's asking for miracles. |  |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:38 - Mar 1 with 2484 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 08:30 - Mar 1 by Bluefish |
I find the posters turning on PRP en masse now to be bizarre. Everything is exactly the same as what he served up last season where they adored him. Now they say it is awful football and a mess etc. It always was and the denial how to fuel the spiral. |
You seem to be of the belief that had the majority of Town supporters come to the same conclusion re PL long ago he would probably have been given the boot months ago or even at the end of last season.
We know ME generally gives managers time to try & turn things around, sometimes too much time.
You come across as far more concerned about being right and telling everyone "see i told you so'" than you do about the actual plight of the club. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 12:39]
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:44 - Mar 1 with 2471 views | PJH |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 11:24 - Mar 1 by SonOfSpock |
We were relegated before Lambert arrived.
You simply can't allow the amount of players to leave of championship quality before Hurst arrived, to then be replaced by tat quality - some of which is so poor they've been loaned out. |
I agree with your second paragraph but I do not think that we were beyond saving when Lambert took over.
It was doable and probably quite a lot of people would have done it. |  | | |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:05 - Mar 1 with 2440 views | Bluefish |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:38 - Mar 1 by Enigma_Blue |
You seem to be of the belief that had the majority of Town supporters come to the same conclusion re PL long ago he would probably have been given the boot months ago or even at the end of last season.
We know ME generally gives managers time to try & turn things around, sometimes too much time.
You come across as far more concerned about being right and telling everyone "see i told you so'" than you do about the actual plight of the club. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 12:39]
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The banners, the constant singing his name and the best time of our life stuff got him a 5 year deal. He was made to be bigger than the club | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:18 - Mar 1 with 2425 views | Enigma_Blue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:05 - Mar 1 by Bluefish |
The banners, the constant singing his name and the best time of our life stuff got him a 5 year deal. He was made to be bigger than the club |
Contracts are meaningless just because he was given a 5 year deal does not mean he will definitely be here the next 5 years. Don't be surprised if there is a clause in the contract .
I remember when Mike Ashley rewarded Alan Pardew with an 8 year contract after he managed to get Newcastle to 5th in the PL, but was sacked just a couple of years later. | | | |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:38 - Mar 1 with 2407 views | Ryorry |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 10:38 - Mar 1 by Guthrum |
But that is to ignore both the fundamentally changed circumstances and the way things started this season.
Lambert has now had a summer window to rearrange his squad (during which he brought in the top scorer in the EFL and an excellent young fullback), plus we are in a lower division, which should be of an easier standard than the Championship. Not saying it should have been a walk in the park, but certainly a more favourable environment.
And we did start very well. Eleven games undefeated. Clear at the top of the table with the tightest defence in the division. Things started to go wrong, we had a bad spell, but even as late as 25th January, not much more than a month ago, we had risen back to the top of League One. We were still doing the job even then.
It's the following run of five losses from seven games - also including a goalless draw at 20th-placed Wimbledon - which has really turned almost everyone now. The precipitous plummet down the table and out of the play-off places.
You can claim to having foretold events, yes. But up until just thirty-six days ago, you were the one being proved wrong. |
So what do you put the sudden nosedive down to Guthers? Rotation policy? Injuries, esp to KVY? Lack of quality strength in depth of squad (so recruitment or lack of it). Can't be "being worked out by other teams" since even we've appeared not to know what "plan" we were going to deploy next! |  |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:52 - Mar 1 with 2398 views | SonOfSpock |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:44 - Mar 1 by PJH |
I agree with your second paragraph but I do not think that we were beyond saving when Lambert took over.
It was doable and probably quite a lot of people would have done it. |
The problem was, getting in a manager on the wages ME was willing to pay, for managers available at that time happy to work with the transfer budget on offer.
We've got what has been paid for. |  | | |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 14:00 - Mar 1 with 2392 views | PJH |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:52 - Mar 1 by SonOfSpock |
The problem was, getting in a manager on the wages ME was willing to pay, for managers available at that time happy to work with the transfer budget on offer.
We've got what has been paid for. |
I would imagine that Paul Lambert was/is on a pretty good wage for this level and I would hope that when he was taken on last season that there was an agreement that there should be a serious attempt to stay in the Championship.
I agree that if the search was limited to who was available then that makes a difference but my argument is and always will be that we were NOT already down and therefore we were savable.
All I am saying is that I will never accept that we were relegated by the time he took over and quite probably a different approach to how we went about acquiring the points necessary to stay in the division would have been successful.
We were obviously in a difficult Hurst induced situation but I do not believe that it was beyond saving. | | | |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 14:54 - Mar 1 with 2382 views | Guthrum |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 13:38 - Mar 1 by Ryorry |
So what do you put the sudden nosedive down to Guthers? Rotation policy? Injuries, esp to KVY? Lack of quality strength in depth of squad (so recruitment or lack of it). Can't be "being worked out by other teams" since even we've appeared not to know what "plan" we were going to deploy next! |
For the recent nosedive, over the last month, not entirely sure. Contributory factors may include:
Hangover from the bad spell in November and December.
Some players (notably Norwood) have not recovered their form after injury, or are injured again. Lack of recruitment in January to replace them.
Poor tactical choices and/or execution of them (including substitutions and changing systems which aren't working). Possibly casting around for something which works and not finding it.
A general collapse in team morale, tho why that would be happening now (if, indeed, it is), I don't know. |  |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:06 - Mar 1 with 2374 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:19 - Mar 1 by Bluefish |
3 transfer windows and easily one of the biggest budgets in the division, yes you can and yes you should. |
We were talking about last season when Lambert took over from Hurst. He inherited a sh!t-show. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:09 - Mar 1 with 2366 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:21 - Mar 1 by jayessess |
The standard I'm holding him to is being better than Paul Hurst. I don't think that's asking for miracles. |
The problem is he inherited Hurst's sow's ear. I agree we should've seen some improvement by now, but at the time, with no transfer window, a sow's ear was still a sow's ear. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:41 - Mar 1 with 2344 views | jayessess |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:09 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
The problem is he inherited Hurst's sow's ear. I agree we should've seen some improvement by now, but at the time, with no transfer window, a sow's ear was still a sow's ear. |
Like I say, I'd expect a decent manager to improve on what came before, if only a little. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:53 - Mar 1 with 2330 views | Bluefish |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:09 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
The problem is he inherited Hurst's sow's ear. I agree we should've seen some improvement by now, but at the time, with no transfer window, a sow's ear was still a sow's ear. |
Whatever Lambert failed to do last season with whatever he inherited shows that a sh*t manager is still a sh*t manager | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:55 - Mar 1 with 2325 views | BlueBadger |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:06 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
We were talking about last season when Lambert took over from Hurst. He inherited a sh!t-show. |
That he utterly failed to add any kind of fight, cohesion or pattern to. I wasn't necessarily expecting us to stay up, but the failure to overhaul even a crisis-stricken Bolton side in freefall was, frankly, piss poor. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 15:57]
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:58 - Mar 1 with 2310 views | Bluefish |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:55 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
That he utterly failed to add any kind of fight, cohesion or pattern to. I wasn't necessarily expecting us to stay up, but the failure to overhaul even a crisis-stricken Bolton side in freefall was, frankly, piss poor. [Post edited 1 Mar 2020 15:57]
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Just some structure, patterns of play and foundations of a team. We still look like we are experimenting. Incredible someone in the game can be this inept, even more incredible hownournfans can be so hoodwinked | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 16:01 - Mar 1 with 2298 views | BlueBadger |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 12:09 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
Utter nonsense as usual from you. Of course he should've had a free hit if you look at the mess he inherited. You expect a manager to come in and change things overnight. It's absolute folly. |
Trouble is, he utterly wasted his free hit. He could have either taken the pragmatic route and gone down the 'try to stay up by parking the bus and sneaking one' approach or said 'f*ck it, it's dead' and started to build for this season with younger players and loans 'with a view to transfer'. Instead he spunked his January window doing....well, I'm not sure what he was trying to achieve - he d1cked about with loanees and failed to establish any kind of set pattern of play or formation for this season. That's now bitten him on the arse royally this season.
I wasn't expecting us to stay up as such, but some fight and a sense of genuinely starting to build would have allayed some of my cynicism about him through last year. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 16:22 - Mar 1 with 2275 views | BrixtonBlue |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 16:01 - Mar 1 by BlueBadger |
Trouble is, he utterly wasted his free hit. He could have either taken the pragmatic route and gone down the 'try to stay up by parking the bus and sneaking one' approach or said 'f*ck it, it's dead' and started to build for this season with younger players and loans 'with a view to transfer'. Instead he spunked his January window doing....well, I'm not sure what he was trying to achieve - he d1cked about with loanees and failed to establish any kind of set pattern of play or formation for this season. That's now bitten him on the arse royally this season.
I wasn't expecting us to stay up as such, but some fight and a sense of genuinely starting to build would have allayed some of my cynicism about him through last year. |
We desperately needed some better players in. That's what he tried to do in January. Unfortunately, nothing but dross wanted to come here/we could afford.
I agree we should've seen SOME improvements, but to lay all the blame for relegation at Lambert's door is unfair. | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 16:27 - Mar 1 with 2271 views | Bluefish |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 16:22 - Mar 1 by BrixtonBlue |
We desperately needed some better players in. That's what he tried to do in January. Unfortunately, nothing but dross wanted to come here/we could afford.
I agree we should've seen SOME improvements, but to lay all the blame for relegation at Lambert's door is unfair. |
You would think signing some of the highest paid players in our history would have helped......it didn't. He got absolutely nothing at all from the players new or old. They know he is a fraud and so do most town fans | |
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| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 16:32 - Mar 1 with 2259 views | TheTrueBlue1878 |
| Never ever ever say a manager has a on 15:58 - Mar 1 by Bluefish |
Just some structure, patterns of play and foundations of a team. We still look like we are experimenting. Incredible someone in the game can be this inept, even more incredible hownournfans can be so hoodwinked |
We showed structure and a lot of patterns of play yesterday, and that has been prevalent at times throughout the season, but not consistently enough.
Yesterday fell down to lack of execution by then 11 men on the pitch, not the 1 man stood on the side of it, that has been the case for too many games this season I’m afraid. |  |
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