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India - crazy scenes 09:23 - Mar 2 with 2230 viewsjeera

in Delhi.

People burnt alive, dragged from their homes and beaten and murdered on the streets.

All reminiscent of times gone by: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/mar/01/india-delhi-after-hindu-mob-riot-r

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India - crazy scenes on 09:48 - Mar 2 with 2150 viewsclive_baker

Modi's incredibly dangerous. For all the talk of Trump, there doesn't seem to be much condemnation in Western media of the guy that's given licence to the uprising of the far right in India, and quite blatantly supported and encouraged it at every opportunity through his anti Muslim agenda.

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India - crazy scenes on 09:50 - Mar 2 with 2144 viewsSteve_M

Meanwhile the police stand back and watch, at best. The most extreme Hindu nationalists see no place for Muslims in India and the government has not shown that it disagrees.

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India - crazy scenes on 09:55 - Mar 2 with 2116 viewsjeera

India - crazy scenes on 09:48 - Mar 2 by clive_baker

Modi's incredibly dangerous. For all the talk of Trump, there doesn't seem to be much condemnation in Western media of the guy that's given licence to the uprising of the far right in India, and quite blatantly supported and encouraged it at every opportunity through his anti Muslim agenda.


I've read a few articles condemning it and that's pretty much about it. Great.

You'd think it would be splashed across TV screens everywhere to shame India's politicians into positive action.

Where the hell are our governments in all of this?

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India - crazy scenes on 09:50 - Mar 2 by Steve_M

Meanwhile the police stand back and watch, at best. The most extreme Hindu nationalists see no place for Muslims in India and the government has not shown that it disagrees.


Aye. It seems Modi's stance is to emobolden the likes of RSS who carry out this sort of thing and to not take any action against it. His brand of religious nationalism is very scary given the particular sensitivities in India and the area generally.

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India - crazy scenes on 09:58 - Mar 2 with 2090 viewsclive_baker

India - crazy scenes on 09:50 - Mar 2 by Steve_M

Meanwhile the police stand back and watch, at best. The most extreme Hindu nationalists see no place for Muslims in India and the government has not shown that it disagrees.


Yep, it's scary. A very good friend of mine is Indian and the really shocking thing to me is it's not just extreme Hindu nationalists. We talk about the far right over here and I do think it's a very, very small cross section of society. There's perhaps a larger element that might be subconsciously discriminatory and they of course need educating, but in terms of overt racists I think it's relatively small numbers. It's appears to be very different there. My friend is well education, studied at Kings College over here, chartered accountant. He's very pro Modi, and most of his Indian friends are too back in Delhi. He defends and justifies his actions at every opportunity.

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India - crazy scenes on 11:31 - Mar 2 with 1954 viewsGuthrum

India - crazy scenes on 09:50 - Mar 2 by Steve_M

Meanwhile the police stand back and watch, at best. The most extreme Hindu nationalists see no place for Muslims in India and the government has not shown that it disagrees.


Christians, too. Someone I know over there who runs a small church and orphanage was beaten very badly a few years ago, put him in hospital for about a month.

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India - crazy scenes on 11:39 - Mar 2 with 1919 viewsDarth_Koont

Increasingly, it seems that in China, India, Myanmar etc. but also the rest of the world including the US and the UK that Muslims are fair game.

Deeply concerning.

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India - crazy scenes on 11:39 - Mar 2 with 1920 viewsReuser_is_God

They’ve obviously not taken last nights defeat in New Zealand well then.

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Identitarian politics in general. on 12:47 - Mar 2 with 1794 viewsGuthrum

Globalised consumerism hasn't supplied enough of the unending joy, leisure and prosperity promised, so people are looking for someone to blame. The power-hungry are happy to supply targets and ride the wave. It's not a solution, but it gets them voted in.

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India - crazy scenes on 12:50 - Mar 2 with 1770 viewsGaryCooper

The stupidity of religion and those who adhere to it's stupid demands, non of it should be tolerated, ever.
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India - crazy scenes on 12:53 - Mar 2 with 1738 viewsSwansea_Blue

Horrendous. This wave of populism sweeping the globe that scapegoats people 'not like us' is storing up a whole heap of problems down the line. Yet people are daft enough to play along - we see it here.

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India - crazy scenes on 12:56 - Mar 2 with 1711 viewsnoggin

India - crazy scenes on 09:55 - Mar 2 by jeera

I've read a few articles condemning it and that's pretty much about it. Great.

You'd think it would be splashed across TV screens everywhere to shame India's politicians into positive action.

Where the hell are our governments in all of this?


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India - crazy scenes on 12:58 - Mar 2 with 1694 viewsClapham_Junction

India - crazy scenes on 09:48 - Mar 2 by clive_baker

Modi's incredibly dangerous. For all the talk of Trump, there doesn't seem to be much condemnation in Western media of the guy that's given licence to the uprising of the far right in India, and quite blatantly supported and encouraged it at every opportunity through his anti Muslim agenda.


What's happening in India is increasingly becoming a problem in the UK and people seen to be defending Pakistan or criticising what's happening in Kashmir or with the citizenship act can get a lot of flak.

Unfortunately the government is exploiting this by cuddling up to Modi as they know this will help take Hindu voters away from Labour (who have been critical of India's actions in Kashmir).
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India - crazy scenes on 14:39 - Mar 2 with 1549 viewsGuthrum

India - crazy scenes on 12:50 - Mar 2 by GaryCooper

The stupidity of religion and those who adhere to it's stupid demands, non of it should be tolerated, ever.


What has this to do with religion? Not such a daft question. Modi is a nationalist, using Hinduism as badge of patriotism, utterly divorced from that faith's beliefs and practices. Much as their great rival Pakistan does with Islam. That is more the basis of this than religion.

If you banned religion, they would do it on language, accent, skin colour, or something like that.

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India - crazy scenes on 14:59 - Mar 2 with 1499 viewsjeera

India - crazy scenes on 14:39 - Mar 2 by Guthrum

What has this to do with religion? Not such a daft question. Modi is a nationalist, using Hinduism as badge of patriotism, utterly divorced from that faith's beliefs and practices. Much as their great rival Pakistan does with Islam. That is more the basis of this than religion.

If you banned religion, they would do it on language, accent, skin colour, or something like that.


But isn't that what nationalism is in this instance though?

To cleanse out anything that isn't agreeable with the mainstream Hinduism outlook?

To purify the Indian race. It's happened against Sikhs before in a similar fashion.

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India - crazy scenes on 15:09 - Mar 2 with 1481 viewsGuthrum

India - crazy scenes on 14:59 - Mar 2 by jeera

But isn't that what nationalism is in this instance though?

To cleanse out anything that isn't agreeable with the mainstream Hinduism outlook?

To purify the Indian race. It's happened against Sikhs before in a similar fashion.


India is a patchwork of a number of ethnicities and hundreds of different languages. Hinduism is about the only universally applicable badge which the nationalists can use. It's pretty much the only available hook upon which to hang their policies.

Doubly effective, as much of what is now India was dominated by Muslim overlords (the Mughals) in the period before the British took over - and, indeed, as subsidiary rulers thereafter.

Gandhi, a devout Hindu, was murdered by the nationalists for not being extremist enough.

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India - crazy scenes on 15:12 - Mar 2 with 1469 viewsSwansea_Blue

India - crazy scenes on 14:39 - Mar 2 by Guthrum

What has this to do with religion? Not such a daft question. Modi is a nationalist, using Hinduism as badge of patriotism, utterly divorced from that faith's beliefs and practices. Much as their great rival Pakistan does with Islam. That is more the basis of this than religion.

If you banned religion, they would do it on language, accent, skin colour, or something like that.


Quite. It's political.

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India - crazy scenes on 15:12 - Mar 2 with 1465 viewsconnorscontract

India - crazy scenes on 12:50 - Mar 2 by GaryCooper

The stupidity of religion and those who adhere to it's stupid demands, non of it should be tolerated, ever.


And how exactly do you propose to not tolerate religion? Mobs in the streets attacking religious buildings and their leaders?

Because that is exactly what this is: BJP thugs not tolerating other religions.

No, what's needed is more tolerance, including from you.
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India - crazy scenes on 15:17 - Mar 2 with 1436 viewsjeera

India - crazy scenes on 15:12 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue

Quite. It's political.


What I'm not grasping here is how or rather what it is they are nationalising against.

If it isn't religion driven then who are the enemies and why?

In a nationalistic sense, there are regular Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs already all living together so what is this driven by and for what aim/gain?

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India - crazy scenes on 15:37 - Mar 2 with 1380 viewsHARRY10

India - crazy scenes on 15:17 - Mar 2 by jeera

What I'm not grasping here is how or rather what it is they are nationalising against.

If it isn't religion driven then who are the enemies and why?

In a nationalistic sense, there are regular Hindus, Muslims, Sikhs already all living together so what is this driven by and for what aim/gain?


It appears to stem from a law brought in to reduce muslim citizen ship that was opposed initially by both muslims and hindus. So much so that Hindus lost an election, in Delhi whereby they then fabricated stories that protesests against this legislation were solely by muslims.

This was inflamed by lies spread of attacks by muslims elsewhere and the need for hundus to fefend themselves... shades of Kristalnacht.

While not having the sam horrific effect here, it is the same level of lying and misrepresentation that is being used to wind up one section of society that a targetted group (immigrants to the UK) who are the cause of all their woes.

It does not take much reading of this forum to see that in action.

And as said earlier on this thread were this to be the US there would be wall to wall coverage.

Odd when you consider that there are most likely more people in the UK with Indian roots then there are those from the US.
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