| Brexit, worse by the day 12:21 - Mar 2 with 4109 views | HARRY10 |
From today -
"This is the best case scenario for a US/UK trade deal a rise in GDP of 0.16%. Compared with govt estimates that 5% will be knocked off GDP growth over the next 15 years under a "Canada-style" trade deal with the EU. 8% off under WTO model" FT
But fear not there's always a Tory at hand to lie
"This is a huge opportunity for both Britain and our single biggest trading partner, the United States" Anne-Marie Trevelyan MP
Is shen really that thick that she doesn't know that the trade with the US is way, way below that of what it is with the EU (one sixth to be exact) ?
Or does she think we are all so thick as to not know ?
However the real point here is that yet more evidence is emrging that the 'sunny uplands' guff was just that, guff. And given how long these figures have been known the Leave politicians were lying through their teeth when they were claiming that the UK would be better off.
I expect more of what a sh it show it all is during the day. |  | | |  |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:28 - Mar 2 with 3409 views | Guthrum |
It's this whole sham about treating the USA as a bloc when it comes to trade figures, but the EU as separate, individual countries. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:36 - Mar 2 with 3389 views | Marshalls_Mullet |
All the numbers are so subjective and marginal that its really hard to take any of it seriously. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:48 - Mar 2 with 3355 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:28 - Mar 2 by Guthrum |
It's this whole sham about treating the USA as a bloc when it comes to trade figures, but the EU as separate, individual countries. |
Currently the figures are (approx)
EU £290bn
US £50bn
Within the EU we had probably the best free trade deals available. Whereas now we will still have to remain using EI schedules (with no say ) for 5 years or more.
And to trade with the EU and reduce increased costs the UK will have to remain aligned with EU standards - again with no say.
Staying with those alignments pretty much knocks out all the guff about negotiating free trade deals around the world. That and the WYTP's 'most favoured nation' regulation.
What is frustrating is that all this was known and well publicised by Remain right up to the election. And here we now see it all slowly emerging
Or perhaps I am mistaken and there were 40 new trade deals announced on Feb 1st. There will not be a customs border overseen by by the EU down the Irish Sea. There is to be no customs checks at UK ports, EU fishermen will not have pretty much the ame access to UK waters and there is to be no £39bn payment to the EU.
As said before - watch this space, as there is more to come as the truth emerges bit by bit. | | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:49 - Mar 2 with 3347 views | Swansea_Blue |
They must know people will know, but they also know their supporters don't care and will defend the lie to the hilt.
Today's other Brexit updates:
- I see we're compromising the response to future pandemics like Covid-19 on ideological Brexit grounds. No. 10 wants to withdraw from the EU’s Early Warning and Response System (source Telegraph)
- UK's new sat nav system delayed due to fights over the budget - it'll now cost us £5bn, half of the cost of Galileo and 4 times the price of our Galileo contribution. That's £5bn peed up the wall, as we don't get back our Galileo contribution and are literally paying to duplicate something we'd already have and paid for (source FT).
- In upcoming negotiations with the EU, we're apparently going to refuse to be bound to the European Convention of Human Rights (source - yesterday's Sunday Telegraph).
It's ideological madness and self-harm on a frightening scale.
The only good news is that we appear to be holding firm on our position to retain food quality standards in negotiations with the US (which of course economically is not good as it will hit those negotiations, but is the right thing to do). |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:54 - Mar 2 with 3320 views | jeera |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:49 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
They must know people will know, but they also know their supporters don't care and will defend the lie to the hilt.
Today's other Brexit updates:
- I see we're compromising the response to future pandemics like Covid-19 on ideological Brexit grounds. No. 10 wants to withdraw from the EU’s Early Warning and Response System (source Telegraph)
- UK's new sat nav system delayed due to fights over the budget - it'll now cost us £5bn, half of the cost of Galileo and 4 times the price of our Galileo contribution. That's £5bn peed up the wall, as we don't get back our Galileo contribution and are literally paying to duplicate something we'd already have and paid for (source FT).
- In upcoming negotiations with the EU, we're apparently going to refuse to be bound to the European Convention of Human Rights (source - yesterday's Sunday Telegraph).
It's ideological madness and self-harm on a frightening scale.
The only good news is that we appear to be holding firm on our position to retain food quality standards in negotiations with the US (which of course economically is not good as it will hit those negotiations, but is the right thing to do). |
It's like years of austerity hasn't meant a thing.
Saved relative pennies punishing those who can least cope with it, just to then throw ridiculous amounts away chasing some dream that never existed. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 13:07 - Mar 2 with 3284 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:49 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
They must know people will know, but they also know their supporters don't care and will defend the lie to the hilt.
Today's other Brexit updates:
- I see we're compromising the response to future pandemics like Covid-19 on ideological Brexit grounds. No. 10 wants to withdraw from the EU’s Early Warning and Response System (source Telegraph)
- UK's new sat nav system delayed due to fights over the budget - it'll now cost us £5bn, half of the cost of Galileo and 4 times the price of our Galileo contribution. That's £5bn peed up the wall, as we don't get back our Galileo contribution and are literally paying to duplicate something we'd already have and paid for (source FT).
- In upcoming negotiations with the EU, we're apparently going to refuse to be bound to the European Convention of Human Rights (source - yesterday's Sunday Telegraph).
It's ideological madness and self-harm on a frightening scale.
The only good news is that we appear to be holding firm on our position to retain food quality standards in negotiations with the US (which of course economically is not good as it will hit those negotiations, but is the right thing to do). |
The problem with the food standars is that the UK knows if it opens it's doors to US 'filth' it will kill off UK farming - as part of the deal is that there would be no labellimng of origin, for obvious reasons. And a vast reduction in content labelling.
This will scare the living daylights out of the EI as they will not be able to guarantee that any food imports from the UK arenot simply that 'filth' repackaged in the UK.
So could it be that the biggest funders of the Leave campaign were US billionaires. That those most vociferous were the likes of FOX/Davis who have string connections to US food producers ?
The only real surprise wre those numpties who thought and probably still do that the ones who have facked them over (IDS, Universal credit) are wanting the UK out of the EU to benefit them ?
It beggars believe in how dumb some folk can be. | | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:22 - Mar 2 with 3155 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 12:48 - Mar 2 by HARRY10 |
Currently the figures are (approx)
EU £290bn
US £50bn
Within the EU we had probably the best free trade deals available. Whereas now we will still have to remain using EI schedules (with no say ) for 5 years or more.
And to trade with the EU and reduce increased costs the UK will have to remain aligned with EU standards - again with no say.
Staying with those alignments pretty much knocks out all the guff about negotiating free trade deals around the world. That and the WYTP's 'most favoured nation' regulation.
What is frustrating is that all this was known and well publicised by Remain right up to the election. And here we now see it all slowly emerging
Or perhaps I am mistaken and there were 40 new trade deals announced on Feb 1st. There will not be a customs border overseen by by the EU down the Irish Sea. There is to be no customs checks at UK ports, EU fishermen will not have pretty much the ame access to UK waters and there is to be no £39bn payment to the EU.
As said before - watch this space, as there is more to come as the truth emerges bit by bit. |
more to come, he says
"A race to hire 50,000 people in the next six months to process Brexit paperwork is under way after the government confirmed they would be needed for border operations.
But experts have warned it will be a challenge to train enough people in time to be competent in the complexity of customs declarations and the second layer of red tape involving entry and exit declaration forms that are mandatory for trading with the EU."
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/28/extra-50000-border-staff-needed
'Now Mr naughty foreigner, you'll be pleased to know that you have a job as one of the new customs chappies - but you will have to go home every night because you won't be earning enough to be welcome as an immigrant' [Post edited 2 Mar 2020 15:40]
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:29 - Mar 2 with 3143 views | BlueBadger |
Yes, but the football is better now. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:30 - Mar 2 with 3134 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:29 - Mar 2 by BlueBadger |
Yes, but the football is better now. |
Although God is punishing us by sending us deadly viruses.
What a time to be a live eh? | |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:44 - Mar 2 with 3116 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:30 - Mar 2 by Swansea_Blue |
Although God is punishing us by sending us deadly viruses.
What a time to be a live eh? |
There bwas to be a plague of frogs as well, but under the new immigration rules they have all had to go back to France | | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 16:29 - Mar 2 with 3072 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 15:44 - Mar 2 by HARRY10 |
There bwas to be a plague of frogs as well, but under the new immigration rules they have all had to go back to France |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 17:20 - Mar 2 with 3005 views | jaykay |
yeah but the people voted for it. so the government keep telling us , in case we forget. also
i see the nasty party might be sued for constructive dismal. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 17:30 - Mar 2 with 2991 views | Pinewoodblue |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 13:07 - Mar 2 by HARRY10 |
The problem with the food standars is that the UK knows if it opens it's doors to US 'filth' it will kill off UK farming - as part of the deal is that there would be no labellimng of origin, for obvious reasons. And a vast reduction in content labelling.
This will scare the living daylights out of the EI as they will not be able to guarantee that any food imports from the UK arenot simply that 'filth' repackaged in the UK.
So could it be that the biggest funders of the Leave campaign were US billionaires. That those most vociferous were the likes of FOX/Davis who have string connections to US food producers ?
The only real surprise wre those numpties who thought and probably still do that the ones who have facked them over (IDS, Universal credit) are wanting the UK out of the EU to benefit them ?
It beggars believe in how dumb some folk can be. |
Half right. Farmers will be affected because once we allow food products from the US that don’t meet EU standards the EU will ban such produce from the UK. Import beef from US that is below EU standards and EU will ban British beef. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 17:35 - Mar 2 with 2980 views | tractordownsouth |
https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-will-cost-uk-more-than-donald-trump-trade
Here's the link... and before anyone compares this to the hysterical pre-referendum predictions of Cameron and Osborne, these are figures based on the WA and the deal that Johnson wants to do. It's not scare stories by remainers, it's actual economic analysis.
If we sign an FTA with the US and don't adhere to EU standards (thus forefeiting the chance of an FTA with the EU) then the economic loss is up to 30 x bigger.
Makes me so angry at Cameron and Corbyn for their inability to lead a competent remain campaign, and the charlatans like Farage, Gove and Johnson. All of them gambled our futures for the sake of their own careers. Pr1cks. [Post edited 2 Mar 2020 17:37]
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 18:51 - Mar 2 with 2916 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 17:30 - Mar 2 by Pinewoodblue |
Half right. Farmers will be affected because once we allow food products from the US that don’t meet EU standards the EU will ban such produce from the UK. Import beef from US that is below EU standards and EU will ban British beef. |
The problem with food will be seen after the EU's new food labelling regulation comes into force in April 2020.
Another of these 'busybody laws' that think the consumer wants to know more about what is in their food and where it comes from.
This flies in the face of the US where colourful packaging and all manner of lurid claims can be made, and are deemed enough for the consumer.
So as with the Irish border the UK will have to make a choice. A market on it's doorstep or one miles away that only does about a sixth of the trade.
To help you decide
"implementation of the primary ingredient origin requirement (Regulation 2018/775 implementing Article 26.3 of the Food Information to Consumers Regulation), which applies across the EU from 1st April 2020. It is important to note that this change will apply in the UK as the UK will adopt all EU food law into UK law when we leave."
Leave didn't mention the last sentence when they kept bleating out 'get it done', did they ? | | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 18:58 - Mar 2 with 2904 views | jas0999 |
Best to blame those who voted for Brexit rather than the Tories. | | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 19:02 - Mar 2 with 2896 views | HARRY10 |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 18:58 - Mar 2 by jas0999 |
Best to blame those who voted for Brexit rather than the Tories. |
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one for lying through their teeth, and the others for being stupid enough to believe them | | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:08 - Mar 2 with 2830 views | mos |
Your posts would be much more credible if you reduced the aggression in your posts. Stopping the swearing and slandering would be a start.
It makes you appear very deeply unsatisfied with the world. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:17 - Mar 2 with 2821 views | Darth_Koont |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:08 - Mar 2 by mos |
Your posts would be much more credible if you reduced the aggression in your posts. Stopping the swearing and slandering would be a start.
It makes you appear very deeply unsatisfied with the world. |
Struggling to see where there's slander here - and the swearing is reasonable.
It is an utter sh!tshow with lies the main currency. |  |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:32 - Mar 2 with 2776 views | mos |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:17 - Mar 2 by Darth_Koont |
Struggling to see where there's slander here - and the swearing is reasonable.
It is an utter sh!tshow with lies the main currency. |
It’s the name calling of MPs without any decent reason, other than a simple disagreement. I doubt the OP would say the same things to them in person, so what’s the point? To make a point more emphatic? To be cool?
To me it comes across as ignorant and only harms the poster’s point... I don’t necessarily disagree with the point of the post, but it just becomes that little bit harder to read and I end up giving up with whatever the poster has to say. | |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:43 - Mar 2 with 2732 views | Darth_Koont |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:32 - Mar 2 by mos |
It’s the name calling of MPs without any decent reason, other than a simple disagreement. I doubt the OP would say the same things to them in person, so what’s the point? To make a point more emphatic? To be cool?
To me it comes across as ignorant and only harms the poster’s point... I don’t necessarily disagree with the point of the post, but it just becomes that little bit harder to read and I end up giving up with whatever the poster has to say. |
Fair enough. I think Harry's style can be a bit raw and OTT like you say but not so much here.
Bold but misleading statements like "This is a huge opportunity for both Britain and our single biggest trading partner, the United States" need calling out. Especially when they're on the back of downgrading and jeopardising the far bigger opportunity we've currently got from our real biggest trading partner. | |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:57 - Mar 2 with 2695 views | Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Or maybe stop speculating on numbers you know little about when a Chinese guy with his chicken is doing far more damage. |  | | |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 21:22 - Mar 2 with 2620 views | Swansea_Blue |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:57 - Mar 2 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Or maybe stop speculating on numbers you know little about when a Chinese guy with his chicken is doing far more damage. |
They’re the Government’s own figures. And we didn’t chose Covid-19; Brexit is simply unnecessary self-harm and hasn’t been imposed on us. | |
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| Brexit, worse by the day on 21:24 - Mar 2 with 2611 views | footers |
| Brexit, worse by the day on 20:57 - Mar 2 by Joey_Joe_Joe_Junior |
Or maybe stop speculating on numbers you know little about when a Chinese guy with his chicken is doing far more damage. |
The EU represents 45% of UK exports and 55% of imports. How is a US trade deal going to even equal that, let alone be bigger? |  |
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